List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Obeanie1]

Absolute trade wizards - lost a bunch of players, brought no one into the club despite all the coffees and pizza parties, dropped their first pick back from 9 to 10... but you know moving their second pick up from 31 to 22 was a killer move

Have a look at rhe ABC analysis I just copied a link in here.

Hawks ranked last on every metric. They pooed.....AND wee'd the bed this trade period.

 

[kokedoodledoo]

For those saying bid on GCS at pick 1/2, it won’t happen. I believe they have just enough to cover bids at 2/3 too

 

[Fatty rules]

This is the bit I don't understand and I am a bit iffy on it sound like draft tampering to me

So Ah Chee out of contract can't get a deal done with Brisbane and the crows....I get that

Ah Chee wants to go to the crows I get that...reading the crows board for family reasons ..thats fair

But the crows are offering a big contract to scare others away okay...we can match and other clubs or go higher but this offering contract and length is what I find concerning .....if the Crows and Ah Chee can do it whats the point of the draft and the PSD ??...why not other clubs do it as well ......"okay Sydney we can't come to a deal for this player" we will take him in the PSD and give him more money than you can offer due to the salary cap ??

whats the point of the drafts ??? a player nominates where he wants to go and the contract length and money gets him there ???...thats premier league euro soccer stuff

can some one explain to me this process ?

The Euro/global soccer thing is a completely different culture - yes the Bosman decision was the right thing, but things have evolved to the point that it's not a question of a reasonably regulated trade system which delivers limited list changes, but a complete free-for-all. That's probably an inevitable consequence of being a truly global (but inferior to AFL) sport. AFL should never go there. I do support an EPL team, but have to accept that the team's list from one year to the next might be hardly recognisable. In any case since my EPL team is ManU, I am left wondering whether they or the Eagles will actually start winning anything. I'm trying to find a support group for WCE/ManU fans, if anyone can help with that.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Clubs normally have long memories and love revenge.

Adelaide screwed Sydney over with Dawson in the trade in 2021

In 2022, Sydney placed a surprise R1 bid on Michalanney, seen at the time as stalling but it was revenge.

Now Lions academy talent will need to be careful but as Crows likely to be at the top end competing, Lions might be patient.

 

[CountryLad]

Elijah Williams/185: anybody know where he plays, 185cm already??

Played in the colts GF for the Tigers as an underage.
Was talking to bloke that’s had a bit to do with the kid and reckons he’s a ripper.
His dad is 6ft plus so probably grows a bit more yet.

 

[WCE777]

Played in the colts GF for the Tigers as an underage.
Was talking to bloke that’s had a bit to do with the kid and reckons he’s a ripper.
His dad is 6ft plus so probably grows a bit more yet.

Thanks, what position?
I believe he is from the Tambellup Williams crew, very good sportsman family.

 

[CountryLad]

Except for the slight issue of Richmond holding pick 1 in the PSD last year

We also stood to lose Jack Graham as a FA signing because he was the buy one get one free part of the Baker trade

Baker also publicly stated he wanted the Tigers fairly compensated.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Elijah Williams/185: anybody know where he plays, 185cm already??

Silky outside type with question marks over physicality and playing intensity.

 

[WCE777]

Silky outside type with question marks over physicality and playing intensity.

thanks, tall winger

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Going forward we need to be more careful extending players too early or without proving themselves at AFL level first (e.g. Barnett, Johnston) or giving incoming players too long a contract (e.g. Owies). Even Bo Allan hadn't done anything and received an extension automatically. I like Grego, but he hadn't even debuted before we extended him. Probably same with Davis. Although he's shown little bits of promise at AFL level, he's a local player, so there's little risk of him leaving.
What's the bloody rush? Especially if they're WA players.
Flashbacks to Mutimer being given a multi-year extension on the back on some good WAFL form.
Hutchinson's extension to 2029 was insane as well. A 1-2 year extension based on what he's produced should have been more than enough at this stage of his career. If he's lured away by a Vic team offering a long contract then so be it.
Make them earn their next contract instead of being insecure about them leaving.
The ones that truly earned a recent contract extension are Shanahan and Harley. I thought Gross could've kept playing well at AFL level until Mini deemed the team was too young and tried to turn him into a small forward.
Makes it difficult to make room for new players each year, which is unavoidable especially during a rebuild.

 

[CountryLad]

Thanks, what position?
I believe he is from the Tambellup Williams crew, very good sportsman family.

Half back/wing from the little bits I’ve seen of him.

No I’m pretty sure Tyler is related to the Tambellup Williams family.
Elijah is Albany. They are possibly related somehow but I’m pretty sure it’s not closely.
Both good football families.

 

[new breed]

Davis we needed to extend as he is pretty good ...

 

[dajesmac]

I've only just heard of him and I've never seen him play, but if we don't rookie that Jamieson Catsup kid next year I will throw a tantrum the likes of which this board has never seen.

Heard he's been training with us on the far oval

 

[WCE777]

Going forward we need to be more careful extending players too early or without proving themselves at AFL level first (e.g. Barnett, Johnston, Davis) or giving incoming players too long a contract (e.g. Owies). Even Bo Allan hadn't done anything and received an extension automatically.
Hutchinson's extension to 2029 was insane as well. A 1-2 year extension based on what he's produced should have been more than enough at this stage of his career. If he's lured away by a Vic team offering a long contract then so be it.
Make them earn their next contract instead of being afraid of them leaving.
Makes it difficult to make room for new players each year, which is unavoidable especially during a rebuild.

They don't get extensions if they haven't earnt it, but your point is valid for the fringe players.
We are going to have a big incoming cohort of NGA players over the next 3 years that are almost all SF/HF types and we will need to be cycling them through for 2 years to find the best of them at AFL level.
B Allan while he had an interrupted year he was looking at debuting round 1 so obviously has the talent or they don't get signed on further.
Our drafting of large numbers will see a revolving door policy of fringe AFL plyers with the likes of Long/Johnstone/Barnett/Livingstone/Bazzo types much more quickly in the future.
They are on our list because of the lack of better talent and big numbers drafted, can see them being moved faster.

 

[Weshi]

Going forward we need to be more careful extending players too early or without proving themselves at AFL level first (e.g. Barnett, Johnston) or giving incoming players too long a contract (e.g. Owies). Even Bo Allan hadn't done anything and received an extension automatically. I like Grego, but he hadn't even debuted before we extended him. Probably same with Davis. Although he's shown little bits of promise at AFL level, he's a local player, so there's little risk of him leaving.
What's the bloody rush? Especially if they're WA players.
Flashbacks to Mutimer being given a multi-year extension on the back on some good WAFL form.
Hutchinson's extension to 2029 was insane as well. A 1-2 year extension based on what he's produced should have been more than enough at this stage of his career. If he's lured away by a Vic team offering a long contract then so be it.
Make them earn their next contract instead of being insecure about them leaving.
The ones that truly earned a recent contract extension are Shanahan and Harley. I thought Gross could've kept playing well at AFL level until Mini deemed the team was too young and tried to turn him into a small forward.
Makes it difficult to make room for new players each year, which is unavoidable especially during a rebuild.

The counter balance to this is if you don't sign them they get poached like Chesser.
Most of us don't see them train or even much WAFL so it is difficult to view any decision objectively.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

The counter balance to this is if you don't sign them they get poached like Chesser.
Most of us don't see them train or even much WAFL so it is difficult to view any decision objectively.

Chesser was literally delist fodder until he played a few decent AFL games at the end of the season.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

The counter balance to this is if you don't sign them they get poached like Chesser.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Have a look at rhe ABC analysis I just copied a link in here.

Hawks ranked last on every metric. They pooed.....AND wee'd the bed this trade period.

So B-minus sounds about right.

The analysis is interesting because it takes into account the draft capital, presumably using some average value from the draft slot that the clubs acquired. Unsurprisingly we lost present value with Allen and Ryan leaving, but gained a lot in draft capital. Their projection system seems to absolutely love Weddle, which results in Geelong getting a really high grade and to some extent hurts Hawthorn's future value. Their system also hates the Petracca trade, which isn't surprising since GC give up two high picks and another one next year, but it doesn't factor in that they'll be able to use all their picks in the teens and 20s to match bids on two top-5 calibre talents. Their offseason looks a lot better after that (although I don't love that they've thinned out some depth - guess they should have enough in the twos to make up for it?)

By any account Hawthorn absolutely shat themselves.

Brisbane unfortunately (despite the Ah Chee blunder) did very well. Carlton made some real franchise-altering moves, most of which I think were pretty good. They won't be good next year but they have positioned themselves for a bit of a rebuild without totally bottoming out West Coast-style.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Their system also hates the Petracca trade, which isn't surprising since GC give up two high picks and another one next year, but it doesn't factor in that they'll be able to use all their picks in the teens and 20s to match bids on two top-5 calibre talents.

Also doesn't take into account that adding Petracca to their midfield puts them into premiership calculations, which would have been guiding Gold Coast's decision-making too.

Add that to the NGA shit and yeah, it's a great move.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Also doesn't take into account that adding Petracca to their midfield puts them into premiership calculations, which would have been guiding Gold Coast's decision-making too.

Add that to the NGA shit and yeah, it's a great move.

My initial reaction was that it was an absurd overpay but then I remembered that top 10 picks quite literally do not matter to Gold Coast when there are academy players who they want to draft in the top 10. They're better off doing what they did, which is to just dump those picks for lower ones that they can stack into matching bids. Melbourne just happened to be the beneficiary this time.

I do have some concern that Petracca has a lot of miles in his legs but the trade might rejuvenate him. Even if he's only good for another 2 years, it's a risk well worth taking.

 

[Chris_6678]

How come Tigers traded for a delisted Geelong player? I thought if Delisted they pick him up for free?

 

[Obeanie1]

So B-minus sounds about right.

The analysis is interesting because it takes into account the draft capital, presumably using some average value from the draft slot that the clubs acquired. Unsurprisingly we lost present value with Allen and Ryan leaving, but gained a lot in draft capital. Their projection system seems to absolutely love Weddle, which results in Geelong getting a really high grade and to some extent hurts Hawthorn's future value. Their system also hates the Petracca trade, which isn't surprising since GC give up two high picks and another one next year, but it doesn't factor in that they'll be able to use all their picks in the teens and 20s to match bids on two top-5 calibre talents. Their offseason looks a lot better after that (although I don't love that they've thinned out some depth - guess they should have enough in the twos to make up for it?)

By any account Hawthorn absolutely shat themselves.

Brisbane unfortunately (despite the Ah Chee blunder) did very well. Carlton made some real franchise-altering moves, most of which I think were pretty good. They won't be good next year but they have positioned themselves for a bit of a rebuild without totally bottoming out West Coast-style.

Dont think that takes Dev coming in for free after Lions agreed to delist.

So we likely end upwith a B grade with that IMO.

Liked the other gragh about instant impact for next season. Looked like it uses decent mertics.

Im guessing Hawks will still chase some mature talent to plug some holes. Hopefully after that debarcle Mitchell learns and plugs his as well.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

How come Tigers traded for a delisted Geelong player? I thought if Delisted they pick him up for free?

From what I understand if they trade for him he's on their list now and can start preseason in a few weeks, whereas if they pick him up for free they gotta wait until after the draft for him to start training with them. Since they have a list spot available it's better for them to trade an absolute nothing pick and get him in now.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Going forward we need to be more careful extending players too early or without proving themselves at AFL level first (e.g. Barnett, Johnston) or giving incoming players too long a contract (e.g. Owies). Even Bo Allan hadn't done anything and received an extension automatically. I like Grego, but he hadn't even debuted before we extended him. Probably same with Davis. Although he's shown little bits of promise at AFL level, he's a local player, so there's little risk of him leaving.
What's the bloody rush? Especially if they're WA players.
Flashbacks to Mutimer being given a multi-year extension on the back on some good WAFL form.
Hutchinson's extension to 2029 was insane as well. A 1-2 year extension based on what he's produced should have been more than enough at this stage of his career. If he's lured away by a Vic team offering a long contract then so be it.
Make them earn their next contract instead of being insecure about them leaving.
The ones that truly earned a recent contract extension are Shanahan and Harley. I thought Gross could've kept playing well at AFL level until Mini deemed the team was too young and tried to turn him into a small forward.
Makes it difficult to make room for new players each year, which is unavoidable especially during a rebuild.

Who's on the chopping block next season?

Probable: Harry Barnett, Jack Williams, Tom Cole, Bailey Williams, Harvey Johnston, Jamie Cripps (Is he still even on the list?)

Possible: Malakai Champion, Jacob Newton, Rhett Bazzo, Matt Flynn, Noah Long.

Going to be interesting if we shoot up the ladder and the AFL takes away our extra rookie spots.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Who's on the chopping block next season?

Probable: Harry Barnett, Jack Williams, Tom Cole, Bailey Williams, Harvey Johnston, Jamie Cripps (Is he still even on the list?)

Possible: Malakai Champion, Jacob Newton, Rhett Bazzo, Matt Flynn, Noah Long.

Going to be interesting if we shoot up the ladder and the AFL takes away our extra rookie spots.

We’ve got those spots for three seasons.