List Mgmt. Contracts. Trades. Draft. Other Assorted Crap. 2020 Edition

[ghostbat12]

Both Ainsworth and Brayshaw will be 22 in 2020. How much longer do we classify 22 year old mids as “developing”?

The current recruitment team have been brilliant with our talls but awful in drafting mids. We have had to trade for most of our mids - Kelly, Yeo and Redden. Shuey and Gaff were drafted over 10 years ago.

In the WAFL games last year, I rated Subiaco, South Fremantle and Claremont midfield as streets ahead of our “developing” crop.

1st paragraph - as long as they keep developing enough each year.

2nd paragraph - 1 to 2 late misses over a 5-7 year period doesn’t exactly mean poor drafting. Don’t forget that those on here that have started banging on about “we can’t draft midfielders” also wanted b banfield and blakeley (instead of lamb). Maybe there simply are not too many to draft late and really is down to luck.

But I guess if you say same thing over and over again, it must eventually be true. And this is how it is getting now.

 

[Avalor]

Ainsworth has certainly shown there's hope with him - hasn't disgraced himself by any means, and I think his kicking efficiency would be high from his last 2 games. That was the knock on him, but it's proven to be unfounded.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

1st paragraph - as long as they keep developing enough each year.

2nd paragraph - 1 to 2 late misses over a 5-7 year period doesn’t exactly mean poor drafting. Don’t forget that those on here that have started banging on about “we can’t draft midfielders” also wanted b banfield and blakeley (instead of lamb). Maybe there simply are not too many to draft late and really is down to luck.

But I guess if you say same thing over and over again, it must eventually be true. And this is how it is getting now.

Thanks for the quotes but I suggest you check what I was advocating prior to throwing crap at me. Blakely was never in my list.

In the last decade, apart from Sheed, please name the great midfield draftees that are on our list?

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Ainsworth has certainly shown there's hope with him - hasn't disgraced himself by any means, and I think his kicking efficiency would be high from his last 2 games. That was the knock on him, but it's proven to be unfounded.

Last two games he's been really good, cannot say a bad word. Most of his ball use has been really good, even his kicking.
He can play at the level.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

What's this?

English didn't get drafted in the first year he was eligable.

If I remember correctly he was a alright skinny midfielder with good kicking skills playing school footy .

He then grew 20cm in his final year of school to 200cms but he had never played as a ruck or KPP at all . He was also very skinny .

He played 1 colts game that year to be eligible for the draft but he used a secondary address to play the colts game for that zone .

The rumour was we were trying to get him to play 1 game to pick him up as a rookie but because the address he used wasn't his real address he wasn't eligable for the draft .

He played colts the next year as an overage player , played in the u18 champs and flew up the draft ranks until he was a 1st rounder .

 

[RanaNaved]

Anyone know anything about Patrick Cripps brother Josh Cripps?

Is he a KPP or Midfielder like his brother. Noticed he measures in at 197cm.


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I've see him play, was rucking and playing forward.

Raw as anything, he wasn't impressive to be brutally honest. Have only seen him once, so maybe an off day.

Still, he is a slim chance to be drafted with his pedigree.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

English didn't get drafted in the first year he was eligable.

If I remember correctly he was a alright skinny midfielder with good kicking skills playing school footy .

He then grew 20cm in his final year of school to 200cms but he had never played as a ruck or KPP at all . He was also very skinny .

He played 1 colts game that year to be eligible for the draft but he used a secondary address to play the colts game for that zone .

The rumour was we were trying to get him to play 1 game to pick him up as a rookie but because the address he used wasn't his real address he wasn't eligable for the draft .

He played colts the next year as an overage player , played in the u18 champs and flew up the draft ranks until he was a 1st rounder .

I know this one pretty well,

English was a boarder at Christchurch and Claremont tried to get him registered based on his Claremont address. Unfortunately he was bound to South Fremantle and his registration was rejected meaning he was not eligible to be in the draft.

Eligible means he a) meets the age criteria and b) he has played at least 1 WAFL Colts match

 

[Monocle]

1st paragraph - as long as they keep developing enough each year.

2nd paragraph - 1 to 2 late misses over a 5-7 year period doesn’t exactly mean poor drafting. Don’t forget that those on here that have started banging on about “we can’t draft midfielders” also wanted b banfield and blakeley (instead of lamb). Maybe there simply are not too many to draft late and really is down to luck.

But I guess if you say same thing over and over again, it must eventually be true. And this is how it is getting now.

So much wrong about this post but I best refrain from pointing out the shortcomings.

As the serial apologists just cant handle the truth.

But I will give you a clue maybe .... just maybe, do some research and check the " 1 to 2 late misses bit and over 5 -7 years ".

 

[WCErevival]

In the last decade, apart from Sheed, please name the great midfield draftees that are on our list?

Honestly what great midfielders have been available with the picks we've had?

 

[ghostbat12]

Thanks for the quotes but I suggest you check what I was advocating prior to throwing crap at me. Blakely was never in my list.

In the last decade, apart from Sheed, please name the great midfield draftees that are on our list?

Was I necessarily talking about you? There are others on here. They know who they are. And they think one apology automatically makes up for years of criticism. Perhaps they should spend years apologising eh? Just to balance it out.

In the last decade, find a team that is top 4-6 team that has had many hits finding “great” midfielders? Especially with late picks. It’s a crap shoot because then it really comes down how hard they are willing to work on their game.

 

[ghostbat12]

So much wrong about this post but I best refrain from pointing out the shortcomings.

As the serial apologists just cant handle the truth.

But I will give you a clue maybe .... just maybe, do some research and check the " 1 to 2 late misses bit and over 5 -7 years ".

Heck even if it’s 5, it’s still 5 good midfielders out of about 300 late picks during that time. Heck make it 10.

I guess not being able to draft midfielders late (you know, the thing you keep repeating), is fairly common in afl. Run stats with all clubs - a clue for you.

Whilst technically we haven’t found a mid, it’s a fairly common problem in afl.

But sheep on here now keep repeating your thing. It’s fairly hilarious. Maybe there is a calling in politics for you.

 

[Monocle]

Heck even if it’s 5, it’s still 5 good midfielders out of about 300 late picks during that time. Heck make it 10.

I guess not being able to draft midfielders late (you know, the thing you keep repeating), is fairly common in afl. Run stats with all clubs - a clue for you.

Whilst technically we haven’t found a mid, it’s a fairly common problem in afl.

But sheep on here now keep repeating your thing. It’s fairly hilarious. Maybe there is a calling in politics for you.

You are the one who is saying its " late picks " and thats where I differ as I don't consider a second rounder a late pick.

 

[FKASC]

Heck even if it’s 5, it’s still 5 good midfielders out of about 300 late picks during that time. Heck make it 10.

I guess not being able to draft midfielders late (you know, the thing you keep repeating), is fairly common in afl. Run stats with all clubs - a clue for you.

Whilst technically we haven’t found a mid, it’s a fairly common problem in afl.

But sheep on here now keep repeating your thing. It’s fairly hilarious. Maybe there is a calling in politics for you.

While it’s true most of the gun mids are first rounders, here’s a quick list of some of the higher ball winners from this weekend:

Phillips (58)
Menegola (66)
Merrett (26)
Neale (58)
Zorko (Rookie?)
Lyons (61)
Parker (40)
Greenwood (Rookie)
Miller (29)
Dumont (30)
Lambert (Rookie)
C Taylor (46)
Bolton (29)
Curnow (Rookie)
Henderson (Rookie)
Walters (53)
Bewley (59)

Obviously there have been lots more misses in the time these guys were drafted, but this assumption that you can’t draft mids after the first round is silly

 

[FKASC]

And that’s not including tonight’s game which includes Crouch, Steele, Ross and Hill (all 20s-30s)

 

[Royals]

KPF ..... sign him up Eagles!

197cm big bodied inside mid sounds fine to me

 

[Obeanie1]

Ainsworth has certainly shown there's hope with him - hasn't disgraced himself by any means, and I think his kicking efficiency would be high from his last 2 games. That was the knock on him, but it's proven to be unfounded.

Watching Ainsworth yesterday I thought he looks like a decent like for like Replacement for Redden in a couple of years.

Until then he's a depth midfielder.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

While it’s true most of the gun mids are first rounders, here’s a quick list of some of the higher ball winners from this weekend:

Phillips (58)
Menegola (66)
Merrett (26)
Neale (58)
Zorko (Rookie?)
Lyons (61)
Parker (40)
Greenwood (Rookie)
Miller (29)
Dumont (30)
Lambert (Rookie)
C Taylor (46)
Bolton (29)
Curnow (Rookie)
Henderson (Rookie)
Walters (53)
Bewley (59)

Obviously there have been lots more misses in the time these guys were drafted, but this assumption that you can’t draft mids after the first round is silly

Let's not forget Worpel and Jack Graham.

I also think there were plenty in last years draft but we opted not to trade up: Rivers, Ruscoe, Warner, Garcia, Perez, Rantall, Bianco, Ramsay, Byrnes, Butler, Prior and Taheny all went past pick 30. Add to that Sharp, Schoenberg, Robertson, Mead and Finn Magginnes all went in the 20's.
We got one of the best in that list in my opinion in Mitch O'Neill though!

 

[FKASC]

Let's not forget Worpel and Jack Graham.

I also think there were plenty in last years draft but we opted not to trade up: Rivers, Ruscoe, Warner, Garcia, Perez, Rantall, Bianco, Ramsay, Byrnes, Butler, Prior and Taheny all went past pick 30. Add to that Sharp, Schoenberg, Robertson, Mead and Finn Magginnes all went in the 20's.
We got one of the best in that list in my opinion in Mitch O'Neill though!

Yeah I just rattled off some of the better performers from this weekend alone - couldn’t be bothered going through all of the successful examples in the league, but there are lots

 

[Dark Sharks]

Valente is another we (among many others) blatantly ignored.

Not saying he's a gun, but at least he's a blue chip 'pure' midfielder. Not a HFF or HBF.

He can't be far off playing for Cockburn now he's over his injuries.

 

[Chris_6678]

Valente is another we (among many others) blatantly ignored.

Not saying he's a gun, but at least he's a blue chip 'pure' midfielder. Not a HFF or HBF.

He can't be far off playing for Cockburn now he's over his injuries.

He isnt even getting a game at Freo though...

 

[Dark Sharks]

He isnt even getting a game at Freo though...

Coming off injuries apparently, but likely a spud if he wears purple

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

For anyone wanting to follow some local Colts likely to be in draft contention, here is a Draft Central view of what WA's best team may look like.

Grainger Barras looks like a top 10 with Trew and O'Driscoll starting to get some attention

 

[Dark Sharks]

Sack Nesbitt

 

[FKASC]

Sack Nesbitt

Sam Mitchell wanted to draft Worpel but Nesbitt vetoed it

 

[ghostbat12]

While it’s true most of the gun mids are first rounders, here’s a quick list of some of the higher ball winners from this weekend:

Phillips (58)
Menegola (66)
Merrett (26)
Neale (58)
Zorko (Rookie?)
Lyons (61)
Parker (40)
Greenwood (Rookie)
Miller (29)
Dumont (30)
Lambert (Rookie)
C Taylor (46)
Bolton (29)
Curnow (Rookie)
Henderson (Rookie)
Walters (53)
Bewley (59)

Obviously there have been lots more misses in the time these guys were drafted, but this assumption that you can’t draft mids after the first round is silly

Come on mate, most of those it’s hard to get overly excited over. And some others are priddis clones.

I mean you have curnow on there. And Bolton a midfielder,? Really? Taylor a midfielder?

Which of those would displace our midfielders? Half of those, like Lyons, can’t play in other positions. Menegola has issues at multiple clubs and you want to use that as an example? In fact, he proves what I said, that it’s really luck and depends on how hard player is willing to work, not recruiting skill.

Merrett, Neale, Zorko, Parker, Lambert are only ones to get excited over.

That is it. Thanks for proving my point.