Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[Ford Fairlane]

Oh dear...

It was a stupid comment by Daniel Andrews. He's not having the best week.

We're all in this together ...

 

[RossFC]

"I don't want to be offensive to South Australians but why would you want to go there?" he said.

but your comment is offensive and only an idiot would assume that it is not.

At least he said he didn't want to be offensive before he threw his jab at SA. How thoughtful.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

At least he said he didn't want to be offensive before he threw his jab at SA. How thoughtful.

It's like the old "No offence, but you're a dickhead" comment.

 

[Jojay]

Dan Andrews... the Eddie McGuire of Australian politics.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

To be clear, I wasn't having a go at Marshall.

Neither was I. I just typed up my response when I first heard Andrews on radio this morning.

I wanted a smart arse reporter at the presser to fireback at Andrews and ask, so you are saying corruption practices are a lot better in Victoria than South Australia??

 

[Capital Power]

I'm not South Australian but your residents have earned the right to call the shots on this one. Whether you agree with border closures or not, they've worked. And whilst the Victorians are either still infecting each other and/or watching their government disintegrate you're absolutely right to hold firm .

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I've been looking at international travel restrictions the last few days.

I wasn't aware the default positions for Aussies was you can't leave Oz unless you meet the following exemptions.

Department of Home Affairs Website

Home Affairs brings together Australia's federal law enforcement, national and transport security, criminal justice, emergency management, multicultural affairs, settlement services and immigration and border-related functions, working together to keep Australia safe.

covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au

Australians and permanent residents
If you are an Australian citizen or a permanent resident you cannot leave Australia due to COVID-19 restrictions unless you have an exemption. You can apply online but you must meet at least one of the following:

• your travel is as part of the response to the COVID-19 outbreak, including the provision of aid
• your travel is essential for the conduct of critical industries and business (including export and import industries)
• you are travelling to receive urgent medical treatment that is not available in Australia
• you are travelling on urgent and unavoidable personal business
• you are travelling on compassionate or humanitarian grounds
• your travel is in the national interest.

.....

Here are all the reasons why you can get an exemption to enter Oz, including returning Australian citizens and permanent residents returning home.

This page starts off with info and links to every state government's internal travel restrictions/rules and then talks about who can enter Oz starting at

For SA's rules the link is

Arrivals

www.covid-19.sa.gov.au

Coronavirus (COVID-19) advice for travellers

Biosecurity measures and travel restrictions are in place to help prevent the spread of COVID-19.

www.health.gov.au

.

Travel to Australia

Australia’s borders are closed. Only Australian citizens, residents and immediate family members can travel to Australia.

Travellers arriving from any country may undergo enhanced health screening on arrival in Australia. All arrivals will be quarantined for 14 days and state and territory travel restrictions may also apply.

The Information for international travellers fact sheet is provided to travellers on arrival in Australia and provides further information on current requirements.

Learn more about who can enter Australia from the Department of Home Affairs.

Australian Border Force liaison officers at overseas airports will work with airlines to identify anyone who should not board a flight to Australia.

Restrictions on international travel remain for now.
National Cabinet has agreed to a 3-step plan to create a COVIDSafe society.
Under Step 3, interstate travel and the possibility of travel to New Zealand will be considered.
Quarantine for arriving travellers
Since 29 March 2020, all travellers arriving in Australia by air or sea must be isolated in mandatory quarantine accommodation for 14 days from their arrival, with few exceptions. After mandatory quarantine, they can transit domestically and travel home.

These requirements are managed and enforced by state and territory governments with Australian Government support, including from the Australian Defence Force and Australian Border Force.

Travellers are quarantined in the city they arrive in for 14 days, even if they don’t normally live there or plan to travel elsewhere in Australia from there.

Most quarantine accommodation is being managed by state and territory governments. They will:

• handle transport for travellers from their arrival point to their quarantine accommodation
• manage quarantine arrangements at the accommodation facility

To find out more about the quarantine requirements in your state or territory, or to ask about someone you know who has been quarantined, contact your state or territory government health department.

The Chief Medical Officer can, in consultation with the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee, declare a Human Health Response Zone (HHRZ) to support quarantine and isolation procedures. Mandatory quarantine arrangements are mostly being managed under state and territory public health legislation.

Exemptions from mandatory quarantine
The following groups may be exempt from the 14 day mandatory quarantine requirements when entering Australia. While these groups are exempt from mandatory quarantine, all arrivals into Australia must continue to practise physical distancing, cough etiquette and hand hygiene. Other requirements, such as isolation, may still apply.

Unaccompanied minors
Unaccompanied minors will be allowed to travel domestically after entering Australia to quarantine with a parent or guardian at their home.

Transit passengers

• International transit passengers arriving into Australia are able to depart on another international flight if the following conditions are met:
  • If the individual has up to 8 hours until the departing international flight, they must remain at the airport and be permitted to onward travel, maintaining social distancing and hand hygiene.
  • If 8-72 hours before the departing flight, they must go to mandatory quarantine at the state designated facility until the time of the departing flight.
• No domestic onward travel is allowed, even if this is to meet a departing international flight. These people should go into mandatory quarantine at the state designated facility at the first point of arrival.

Diplomats

• Australia has legal obligations under the Vienna Convention to ensure diplomats freedom of movement and travel, and protection from detention. Diplomats are not required to undertake 14 days of mandatory quarantine on arrival into Australia.
• Diplomats should isolate at their mission or in their usual place of residence on arrival for 14 days.
• Diplomats must continue to practise physical distancing, cough etiquette and hand hygiene.

Compassionate or medical grounds
Applications on medical or compassionate grounds should be submitted to the relevant state or territory who will consider requests on a case-by-case basis.

See contact details for state or territory public health agencies.

Industry exemptions
The following industry groups may also be exempt from mandatory quarantine:

• Aviation crew
• Maritime crew (excluding cruise ships).

For further information on industry exemptions, please refer to our COVID-19 resources for the travel industry.

In-flight
If you are on an international flight and show signs of an infectious disease:

• the airline must report you to biosecurity officers
• biosecurity officers will assess you before you get off the plane
• you may be required to quarantine or referred to a hospital

If you are unwell on a flight, you will be identified and referred for assessment when you arrive at your destination.

Cruise ships
Since 27 March 2020 additional restrictions on cruise ships, including domestic cruises, have been in place. All foreign cruise ships are legally required to leave Australian waters and no foreign cruise ships may enter Australian waters (except for some limited exceptions).

Before this, on 15 March, the Government announced a ban on the entry of cruise ships that had left a foreign port. Cruise ships could apply for an exemption to arrive at an Australian port if they were already underway and returning home.

Australian Border Force and the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade are working to bring people back to Australia who were on a cruise when the ban was announced. They will then work to get passengers to their home destinations, either in Australia or overseas.

Cruise ship crews are not exempt from the mandatory quarantine requirements.

Spirit of Tasmania
The restrictions on cruise ships do not apply to the Spirit of Tasmania, to allow Tasmanians to travel home.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

"I don't want to be offensive to South Australians but why would you want to go there?" he said.

but your comment is offensive and only an idiot would assume that it is not.

Next he'll go for "I'm not racist but..."

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[Chewy316]

Victoria has racked up 21 cases today.

Of these 15 are returned travelers.

Victoria records biggest COVID-19 spike in 33 days, majority being returned travellers

Victoria has recorded 21 new cases of coronavirus, the biggest daily increase in more than a month. Health...

www.thecourier.com.au

A few days back one of our number was arguing for the lifting of international border restrictions. Those 15 positive cases provide conclusive evidence as to why Australia cannot open it's international borders anytime soon.

Actually I wasn't advocating opening the international borders immediately at all, but rather was saying that keeping the international borders shut long term is not feasible even in the absence of a vaccine; and as such, containment and surpression rather than elimination may be the most practical solution when balancing both the economic and health issues associated with this situation. But sure, spin it so you look like the righteous know it all. Bloody hell.

 

[Grave Danger]

Dan Andrews... the Eddie McGuire of Australian politics.

Eddie's brother Frank is a member of the Andrews government, but Eddie wields more power has more influence than him.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Bit more on international border comparisons.

The USA Canada and Mexico yesterday have extended their common border restrictions to 21st Julyhttps://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-06-16/us-borders-with-mexico-canada-to-remain-closed-over-coronavirus-concerns
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has extended its agreements with Mexico and Canada to keep the northern and southern U.S. borders closed to non-essential travel for another month over concerns about the spread of the coronavirus. The borders with Canada and Mexico will remain closed until July 21, the three countries each announced Tuesday. The border restrictions were first announced in mid-March and were extended in April and May.


I can't see Australia opening up its border to USA for another 4- 6 months given their number of cases there. Same with many Euro countries, maybe the whole EU given their open borders. Will be interesting if Oz, NZ etc get exemptions to rest of North America, Europe and Asia. Currently Oz and NZ aren't on the US banned list. See below in North American section.

This Al Jazeera page dated 3rd June has a list of countries border restrictions. Not sure how update and accurate it is. A lot of flights out of Oz under normal conditions have transits at hubs of major airlines. Those transit opportunities seem to be banned

Coronavirus: Travel restrictions, border shutdowns by country

Countries around the world have taken drastic measures, including border closures, in an attempt to curb COVID-19.

www.aljazeera.com

Australia
Passengers are not allowed to transit or enter Australia, except for nationals of the country, immediate family members of nationals, permanent residents and their immediate family members, airline crew and diplomats.

The restriction also does not apply to transit nationals of Fiji, Kiribati, Marshal Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, New Zealand, Niue, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Samoa (American), Solomon Island, Tonga, Tuvalu and Vanuatu.

Nationals of Australia are not allowed to travel out of the country, except those with a residency in another country, airline and maritime crew and associated safety workers, those travelling to offshore facilities for essential work and people travelling on official government business.

New Zealand
From March 19, New Zealand will close its borders to all non-citizens or non-permanent residents. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said on March 15 everyone arriving in New Zealand will require to self-isolate for 14 days, excluding people from the Pacific Islands.

Singapore
All short-term visitors are banned from transiting or entering Singapore. Singapore residents and pass-holders will be quarantined or asked to self-isolate for 14 days.

Malaysia
Malaysia has extended movement and travel restrictions that have been put in place to contain a coronavirus outbreak until May 12. The curbs, first imposed on March 18, were originally set to end on April 14.

United Arab Emirates
The government indefinitely suspended flights to and from Lebanon, Turkey, Syria and Iraq from March 17. On March 23, Dubai carrier Emirates announced the suspension of all passenger flights. Hours later, Abu Dhabi's Etihad announced the suspension of all passenger services, except for some returning UAE nationals and diplomats to Abu Dhabi. On May 13, Emirates Airline announced its plans to operate scheduled flights starting from May 21 from Dubai to London Heathrow, Frankfurt, Paris, Milan, Madrid, Chicago, Toronto, Sydney and Melbourne.

Qatar
On March 15, Qatar said it would ban inbound flights, except for cargo and transit flights, starting from March 18. The entry ban does not apply to Qatari citizens. Nationals of Qatar are not allowed to exit the country.

Fiji
Passengers and airline crew are not allowed to enter Fiji.The restriction does not apply to residents who will be required to self-quarantine for 14 days.

By continent

Asia

China

Chinese authorities announced on April 8 that the city of Suifenhe would be placed under a lockdown after an influx of infected travellers crossing the border from Russia.

On March 26, China announced that it was temporarily banning the entry of most foreign nationals, excluding diplomatic workers, in an effort to curb the number of imported cases of the coronavirus. The foreign ministry said that even foreign citizens with residence permits would be prevented from entering starting on March 28. It said foreign citizens coming to China for "necessary economic, trade, scientific or technological activities or out of emergency humanitarian needs" can still apply for visas. In January, China stepped up measures to deal with cases from overseas, with Beijing and other regions forcing international arrivals to go into a 14-day quarantine.

Japan
The country initially imposed an entry ban to travellers who have been in China, Iran or Italy in the 14 days before arrival. On April 3, it extended that ban to 73 countries, including the US, UK and Canada. The ban includes at least 44 European countries, 12 Asian countries, four countries in the Middle East, five African countries, six Latin American countries, as well as Australia and New Zealand.

ANA Holdings Inc and Japan Airlines Co Ltd (JAL) are operating at nearly half their domestic capacity even though the coronavirus outbreak has left seats on flights mostly empty. The two normally fly around 800 or more domestic flights daily. The country's two biggest airlines, have cut around 90% of international flights but left much of their domestic network intact, industry data showed.

South Korea
On March 17, South Korea said it would tighten border checks for all overseas arrivals. The government had already imposed strict border checks on visitors from China, Italy and Iran, requiring them to sign up by a smartphone application to track whether they have any symptoms, such as fever.

The government also issued a "special travel advisory" on March 23, calling on its citizens to cancel or postpone their trips abroad over the spread of the new coronavirus. The Foreign Ministry said that the special travel advisory applies to all countries except those that are already under higher alerts that call for the withdrawal of citizens or are subject to a travel ban. South Korea has also enforced a two-week quarantine period and virus tests for all long-term arrivals from Europe, regardless of symptoms, to contain imported virus cases.

Thailand
Foreigners, except those with a work permit, diplomats or their family members, are not allowed to enter or transit Thailand. The country's aviation agency announced on April 6 the extension of a ban on all passenger flights from landing in Thailand until April 18.
Vietnam
Vietnam announced on March 21 that it will suspend all inbound international flights to contain the spread of coronavirus in the country, without giving a time frame. The government also announced it would bar entry for all foreigners from March 22, except for special cases.

North America

Canada

On April 20, the United States, Mexico and Canada announced they are extending restrictions on non-essential travel across their shared borders for an additional 30 days, US Acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf said on Twitter.

On March 16, Canada announced it was closing its borders and denying entry to anyone who is not a Canadian citizen or permanent resident, except for immediate family members of Canadian citizens, aeroplane crew members, diplomats and US citizens. On March 18, the US and Canada said they were closing their border to all non-essential traffic. Trade is not affected, the countries' leaders said. Most international flights to Canada will be directed through four airports from March 18. Domestic flights and those arriving from the Caribbean, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Mexico and the US will be exempted.

Mexico
On April 20, the United States, Mexico and Canada announced they are extending restrictions on non-essential travel across their shared borders for an additional 30 days, US Acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf said on Twitter. On March 20, the US and Mexico agreed to restrict non-essential travel over their shared border, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said, placing limitations on one of the world's busiest borders. The restrictions will be reviewed after 30 days, Pompeo said at a White House news briefing.

United States
On April 20, the United States, Mexico and Canada announced they are extending restrictions on non-essential travel across their shared borders for another 30 days, US Acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf said on Twitter.

The US has banned the entry of all foreign nationals who have travelled to China, Iran, Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the UK or Ireland 14 days before their arrival.

US citizens or permanent residents who have visited a high-risk area must fly into one of the 13 international airports with enhanced entry screening capabilities.

South America

Argentina

Argentina announced on March 15 that it would close its borders to all non-residents for at least two weeks, and all flights from the United States and Europe would be cancelled, starting from March 16. The closure was later extended until April 12.

Brazil
Foreigners, except residents and immediate family members of Brazil nationals, are not allowed to enter Brazil until April 30.

Chile
Chile announced that it will shut its borders to non-resident foreigners starting on March 18 until April 10. Additionally, nationals of New Zealand are not allowed to transit Chile.

Any citizen returning from high-risk areas must quarantine for 14 days.

Europe

Germany

Passengers arriving from a non-Schengen Member State are not allowed to enter Germany.

This does not apply to nationals of EEA Member States, Switzerland, British citizens and passengers with long-term right of residence in an EEA Member States, Switzerland or the UK, returning home. Passengers must present a completed Public Health Passenger Locator Form upon arrival.

Greece
Greece suspended all flights to and from Italy, Spain, Turkey and the United Kingdom.

On March 15, it had said it would ban road and sea routes, as well as flights to Albania and North Macedonia. Only cargo and citizens who live in Greece will be allowed to travel to and from Albania and North Macedonia, authorities said. Athens also banned passenger ship routes to and from Italy, while no cruise ships would be allowed to dock at Greek ports. Greece said it would put anyone arriving from abroad in quarantine for two weeks. Turkey's land borders with Greece have been closed to entry and exit of passengers.

Israel
The Israel border is closed for all, except nationals, residents and those with a specific entry approval from the Immigration Authority. Transit facilities at Tel Aviv (TLV) are temporarily suspended.

Italy
In Italy, government officials placed the country of 60 million people on lockdown on March 10 in an attempt to stop the spread of the virus. On June 3, Italy reopened its borders to travellers from European countries. Arrivals in Italy from Europe will not be required to self-isolate unless they have recently travelled from another continent.
Tourists from outside Europe are not allowed to enter Italy via airports in the Lombardy region and the provinces of Alessandria, Asti, Modena, Novara, Padova, Parma, Pesaro and Urbino, Piaceza, Reggio Emilia, Rimini, Treviso-Venice, Verbano-Cusio-Ossola and Vercelli.

Netherlands
The Dutch government announced that entry restrictions will be tightened for non-EU citizens who wish to travel to the Netherlands starting from March 19. The travel restrictions do not apply to EU citizens (including citizens of the UK) and their family members, as well as citizens from Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, Lichtenstein and their family members.

Spain
Spain will restrict entry for most foreigners at air and seaports for the next 30 days to help stem its coronavirus epidemic, the Interior Ministry said on March 22. The ban - starting at midnight - comes a few days after Spain imposed restrictions on its land borders with France and Portugal, after European Union leaders agreed to close the bloc's external borders for 30 days.

Spanish nationals, foreigners living in Spain, aircrew, cargo and healthcare workers and diplomats will be allowed to travel as normal, the ministry said in its statement. On March 16, the Spanish government announced the closing of its land borders, allowing only citizens, residents and others with special circumstances to enter the country. Direct flights from Italy to Spain have been banned until March 25.

Sweden
The government has temporarily stopped non-essential travel to Sweden from countries outside the EEA and Switzerland. The decision took effect on March 19 and will initially apply for 30 days.

United Kingdom
The government on March 17 advised citizens "against all non-essential travel worldwide", initially for a period of 30 days. According to Neil Ferguson, a government adviser and leading professor of mathematical biology at Imperial College, the UK will not be able to relax its stringent lockdown rules until the end of May.

 

[raptalia]

SEVEN News is reporting that a 35 year old man is isolating in an Adelaide hotel after testing positive for COVID-19. He has just come to SA from- you guessed it- Covidtoria.

This must be a recent development because it is not included in today's figures.

That folks is why the Victorian border remains closed.

 

[DaTBird187]

How many people are travelling while sick?

I'm not sure of the number, but I believe that 100% of them are morons.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

SEVEN News is reporting that a 35 year old man is isolating in an Adelaide hotel after testing positive for COVID-19. He has just come to SA from- you guessed it- Covidtoria.

This must be a recent development because it is not included in today's figures. SA note adding him to its total or active cases.

That folks is why the Victorian border remains closed.

He came in from Pakistan first.

SA records first coronavirus case in 22 days, but authorities say it won't count

SA Health says a man who tested positive for coronavirus has entered SA, but insists the state's 22-day record of no new cases remains intact as he is not considered infectious.

www.abc.net.au

SA Health says a man carrying the coronavirus has entered South Australia, but insists the state's 22-day record of no new cases remains intact as he is not infectious and was diagnosed in Victoria.

The 35-year-old Australian man was tested by a nurse on arrival at Adelaide Airport yesterday morning. He had travelled from Pakistan to Melbourne on June 6 and was quarantined in a hotel, where he tested positive for COVID-19 on June 9.

He was given the all clear to emerge from quarantine after eight days because he had first developed his symptoms in Pakistan on May 26.

South Australia's Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier said the man presented no risk to the public........ Professor Spurrier said the man was currently in an hotel but would travel to his home in Adelaide and self-isolate there for 14 days.

 

[FutureShock]

Oh dear...

What a juvenile prick. The calibre of politicians in Australia, particularly at state level, is truly depressing.

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

He came in from Pakistan first.

SA records first coronavirus case in 22 days, but authorities say it won't count

SA Health says a man who tested positive for coronavirus has entered SA, but insists the state's 22-day record of no new cases remains intact as he is not considered infectious.

www.abc.net.au

SA Health says a man carrying the coronavirus has entered South Australia, but insists the state's 22-day record of no new cases remains intact as he is not infectious and was diagnosed in Victoria.

The 35-year-old Australian man was tested by a nurse on arrival at Adelaide Airport yesterday morning. He had travelled from Pakistan to Melbourne on June 6 and was quarantined in a hotel, where he tested positive for COVID-19 on June 9.

He was given the all clear to emerge from quarantine after eight days because he had first developed his symptoms in Pakistan on May 26.

South Australia's Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier said the man presented no risk to the public........ Professor Spurrier said the man was currently in an hotel but would travel to his home in Adelaide and self-isolate there for 14 days.

What the f*** is he doing travelling & who’s the c******* who allowed this ?


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[gbear]

SEVEN News is reporting that a 35 year old man is isolating in an Adelaide hotel after testing positive for COVID-19. He has just come to SA from- you guessed it- Covidtoria.

This must be a recent development because it is not included in today's figures.

That folks is why the Victorian border remains closed.

The nurse who swabbed this passenger at the airport should never have swabbed him in the first place. Proper assessment would have revealed he had tested positive previously and was no longer contagious. Advice should have been sought from SA Health before he was swabbed, there are protocols in place. The virus is not contagious 8 days post infection, but it’s dead particles survive up to 72 days post infection. Swabs only detect the virus RNA and can not determine if it is alive or dead.

 

[OneGreatClub]

The nurse who swabbed this passenger at the airport should never have swabbed him in the first place. Proper assessment would have revealed he had tested positive previously and was no longer contagious. Advice should have been sought from SA Health before he was swabbed, there are protocols in place. The virus is not contagious 8 days post infection, but it’s dead particles survive up to 72 days post infection. Swabs only detect the virus RNA and can not determine if it is alive or dead.

Yes I was wondering why he was tested if he was past the contagious phase anyway.
I guess there will be the occasional stuff up here and there.

 

[PAFC66]

dans right though..

except port games

 

[raptalia]

Where Mr X was infected isn't an issue. What is important is that he was detected due to the SA/Vic border being closed. I would sooner test a guy who was no longer infectious than let someone who was infectious through.

The rules say Mr X is not counted as a South Australian infection and our 'up yours Daniel & Gladys' record is in tact.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[finbarr]

I've only just seen the Dan Andrews comments. Never could stand the bed wetting, authoritarian prick. "Holiday in Victoria instead". Is this w***er even allowing Victorians to travel beyond their own block yet?
Melbourne is truly the most overrated, overhyped city on earth. Its cool to go there for a weekend to watch your footy team, but beyond that, you start to struggle. Everyone knows Sydney is Australia's number one city, always has been, always will be. It just has so many natural advantages and Victorians should just accept that for what it is.
Those of us old enough to remember what Melbourne was like in the 1980's, a boring, ugly wasteland, understand how contrived Melbourne's appeal is. They essentially set about constructing a hipster utopia atop a toxic wasteland. Scratch below its modern, shiny facade and its just an overgrown Adelaide with shit weather and horrible beaches. But good for them I suppose. When you're coming from so far back you can only work with what you have.
I will however be forever grateful to Victoria for producing the kelpie.

 

[TheFVK]

I've only just seen the Dan Andrews comments. Never could stand the bed wetting, authoritarian prick. "Holiday in Victoria instead". Is this w***er even allowing Victorians to travel beyond their own block yet?
Melbourne is truly the most overrated, overhyped city on earth. Its cool to go there for a weekend to watch your footy team, but beyond that, you start to struggle. Everyone knows Sydney is Australia's number one city, always has been, always will be. It just has so many natural advantages and Victorians should just accept that for what it is.
Those of us old enough to remember what Melbourne was like in the 1980's, a boring, ugly wasteland, understand how contrived Melbourne's appeal is. They essentially set about constructing a hipster utopia atop a toxic wasteland. Scratch below its modern, shiny facade and its just an overgrown Adelaide with shit weather and horrible beaches. But good for them I suppose. When you're coming from so far back you can only work with what you have.
I will however be forever grateful to Victoria for producing the kelpie.

nailed it

 

[Lawnchair Larry]

I've only just seen the Dan Andrews comments. Never could stand the bed wetting, authoritarian prick. "Holiday in Victoria instead". Is this w***er even allowing Victorians to travel beyond their own block yet?
Melbourne is truly the most overrated, overhyped city on earth. Its cool to go there for a weekend to watch your footy team, but beyond that, you start to struggle. Everyone knows Sydney is Australia's number one city, always has been, always will be. It just has so many natural advantages and Victorians should just accept that for what it is.
Those of us old enough to remember what Melbourne was like in the 1980's, a boring, ugly wasteland, understand how contrived Melbourne's appeal is. They essentially set about constructing a hipster utopia atop a toxic wasteland. Scratch below its modern, shiny facade and its just an overgrown Adelaide with shit weather and horrible beaches. But good for them I suppose. When you're coming from so far back you can only work with what you have.
I will however be forever grateful to Victoria for producing the kelpie.

Andrews is trying to boost internal travel within Victoria, which I fully understand.
Just ham fisted in methodology.
Melbourne is a great city.
Lived there and loved it.
Ah... personal opinions.

 

[finbarr]

Andrews is trying to boost internal travel within Victoria, which I fully understand.
Just ham fisted in methodology.
Melbourne is a great city.
Lived there and loved it.
Ah... personal opinions.

Andrews is attempting to quell a public revolt against a virus response from his government (harshest lockdown in the country) that has gone horribly wrong (cases not subsiding, economy tanking). Pcking a fight with South Australia is the lowest of low hanging fruit in this regard.