Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *
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BringBackTorps
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1. You listened personally to this call? What were the exact circumstances, & details? Any independent corroboration?
Or are you quoting from another source? If so a link?
2. https://www.nationalreview.com/2020...ver&utm_content=top-bar-latest&utm_term=third
AFAIK, Republican US Senator T. Cotton was the first politician in the world to suspect the extreme dangers & CCP coverup of covid-19, and requested mainland China travel bans- on Jan.22.
The Chinese Communist Party was then lying & claiming publicly to the outside world there was no evidence of human-to-human covid-19 infections. The CCP "placated"/deceived all the world's medical experts etc., including the US Chief Medical Officer, Dr A. Fauci.
"On January 22, one day before the Chinese govt. began a quarantine of Wuhan to contain the spread of the virus, the Arkensas Senator sent a letter to the Secretary Of Health & Human Services A. Azar encouraging the Trump Administration to consider banning travel between China & the US, & warning that the communist regime would be covering up how dangerous the disease really was. When the first Classified Briefing on the virus was held in the Senate on Jan. 24, only 14 Senators turned up".
On Jan. 31, the US introduced the (first?) travel ban on mainland China, & some other foreign countries- but the US covid-19 testing remained completely inadequate/irresponsible for at least another 4 weeks.
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More Lies From The Chinese Communist Party.
"Wuhan residents are increasingly sceptical of the CCP's...coronavirus death count of 2500 in the city, with most believing the actual number is at least 40,000".
"The incinerators have been working around the clock, so how can so few people have died?".
"One funeral home received two shipments of 5000 urns, over the course of 2 days, according to photos reported by Chinese media outlet Caixin, which were later censored (my emphasis)".
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"Wuhan residents are increasingly sceptical of the CCP's...coronavirus death count of 2500 in the city, with most believing the actual number is at least 40,000".
"The incinerators have been working around the clock, so how can so few people have died?".
"One funeral home received two shipments of 5000 urns, over the course of 2 days, according to photos reported by Chinese media outlet Caixin, which were later censored (my emphasis)".
Wuhan Residents Dismiss Official Coronavirus Death Toll: ‘The Incinerators Have Been Working Around the Clock’ | National Review
Wuhan residents are increasingly skeptical of the official coronavirus death count of 2,500, with most people believing the actual number is at least 40,000.
www.nationalreview.com
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Commodities are cutthroat and manufacturing and supply costs are the be all and end all.
Other items are costed to the market.
Coca Cola costs nothing near its average sale price. ( go overseas , and we see its cheaper , otherwise they would sell SFA in poor countries ).
Iphones don't cost more to make than Alcatel Phones .
The likes of Car companies take the approach that the same care can be built by the same methods ( including quality ) anywhere.
Its partially true, but its much harder to "legislate and test" for good quality , than it is to produce good quality if you actually want to.
Its how companies like Apple do it, they dumb it all down to procedures. If you follow the procedures, including quality inspections, it will all be good.
Whilst it is easy to kick WHO for this message, at the time it was released there was little evidence that there were human to human transmission. All the cases were based around the market and with hundreds of trace testing of health workers and others they didn't find any other cases. So, the evidence at the time suggested it wasn't contagious. Backed up by independent scientists in this article.
World on alert for potential spread of new SARS-like virus found in China
Pneumonia outbreak in Wuhan appears to subside, but many questions remain about routes and extent of transmission
They did, however, release this advisory on the 10th of January, four days earlier, warning countries to be on alert for sick travellers.
WHO advice for international travel and trade in relation to the outbreak of pneumonia caused by a new coronavirus in China
On 31 December 2019, a cluster of pneumonia of unknown etiology was reported in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China. On 9 January Chinese authorities reported in the media that the cause of this viral pneumonia was initially identified as a new type of coronavirus, which is different from any...
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You can argue that China covered it up, or they didn't provide the correct information. Whatever. But The WHO provided appropriate warnings based on the evidence they had at the time.
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https://www.traveller.com.au/austra...-state-because-we-behave-like-children-h1n15p
pretty good summation as to why the whole nanny state whining is total crap even outside of crisis times like these
pretty good summation as to why the whole nanny state whining is total crap even outside of crisis times like these
More Lies From The Chinese Communist Party.
Wuhan residents believe the genuine no. of covid-19 deaths in Wuhan is c.40,000.
Wuhan Residents Dismiss Official Coronavirus Death Toll: ‘The Incinerators Have Been Working Around the Clock’ | National Review
Wuhan residents are increasingly skeptical of the official coronavirus death count of 2,500, with most people believing the actual number is at least 40,000.
In a city of 11 million, and with little self-isolation controls in place until Jan 22 (I was in Shanghai-Shaanxi-Suzhou in mid January) 40,000 deaths is definately within the realms of expectation.
That said, medical professionals still have no idea about the spread of this virus and whether its reach is far more prolific than what the case mortality rates indicate.
If up to 80% of cases presented are mild (and with assymtomatic numbers potentially excluded from that sample size) its very possible that the virus can spread vastly within communities without taking out 1-4.1% of the local population.
That and the growing research around treatments and anti-body recovery provides cause for optimisim.
Just on the USA numbers, with far less controls and inferior medical infrastructure, 100k to 250k projected deaths would translate to approx. 7500 to 20000 deaths in an Australian context - which would be sad but perhaps not worth sending the economy into an economic hibernation.
If left uncontrolled the CDC forecast that the virus could take our 2.2 million in the USA alone, and whilst this is alarming, on proportional numbers that is rougly 150,000 Australians.
Now if you look at the Spanish Flu as a reference point, approx. 33% of the USA population were infected by the HINI virus (104.5m x .33) and 675,000 died. In the UK, approx. 40% of the population was infected by the HINI virus (44m x .4) and 228,000 died (according to NHS and CDC data)
In Australia, 40% of our population was infected by the HINI virus (5.4m x .4) and 15,000 died (NMA data)
What's interesting is that the reported mortalty rate in Australia for the HINI pandemic was 0.7% whilst the observed mortality rates in the USA and the UK was identified to be 1.92% and 1.30%.
Almost 100 years apart different continents and economies have different exposure to pandemics. Whether its isolation, weather, density of populations or general health some countries are more prone to higher mortality rates than others.
That's why you cant just deduce case mortality rates on whats happening in Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan (who are probably better geared up for this pandemic) or Spain, Italy, Turkey or the USA and say that we are following a similar trajectory.
If mathametics can be used to help determine exponential growth, history can be a useful guide in looking at recovery -
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If you can get behind the paywall, this article indicates that the economic ramifications from pandemics (dating back to the 13th century) can linger for 40 years.
Which begs the question, is the cure more toxic than the virus?
Spain and Italy have similar per-capita results for active cases and deaths. They have recorded 9-11% morbidity. This is similar to the small sample of Italy , San Marino. This could be close to the actual morbidity for those with Corona virus , exhibiting strong symptoms, with limited intensive care.
Belgium, Netherlands, and France have similar deaths per capit , but Belgium and particularly Switzerland have higher infection percentage.
Belgium doing the most testing per capita by far .
The morbidity in these countries varies from 6%( Belgium ) to 8%.
Due to the testing , it is likely that France and Netherlands have many more undiagnosed cases , and that the morbidity is similar to Belgiums 6% ( evidenced by the similar deaths per capita ).
Its hard with the lower numbers.
Australia may have been relatively successful at keeping it out of nursing homes and the like ( some of our deaths were in fact due to spreading it into a nursing home ).
Germany's 1% could be closer to that which includes a lot more mild cases , and does not have an overrun hospital system.
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If that number is true, and current death rate is accurate then that infers that there are over 800,000 cases in wuhan alone.More Lies From The Chinese Communist Party.
"Wuhan residents are increasingly sceptical of the CCP's...coronavirus death count of 2500 in the city, with most believing the actual number is at least 40,000".
"The incinerators have ben working around the clock, so howcan so few people have died".
Wuhan Residents Dismiss Official Coronavirus Death Toll: ‘The Incinerators Have Been Working Around the Clock’ | National Review
Wuhan residents are increasingly skeptical of the official coronavirus death count of 2,500, with most people believing the actual number is at least 40,000.
Precisely,
In addition, case-mortality rates at the beginning of the epidemic invariably spike (as testing lags cases, hospitals become overwhelmed and than level out as the health crisis resolves)
We still dont know the scale of infections, the more that are infected, the quicker the spike.
I'm not down playing this, far from it, but there is so much conflicting data out there - and what's more, we dont have a grasp on how widespread infections are in Western Europe, the USA, Asia, Africa and Australia due to the asymptomatic carriers
I still think we have the propensity to lower the speed limit to a stupidly low level, when most of the cars were driving correctly in the first place.
We punish the sensible , to stop the dickheads.
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Yes. We have already had more lives and families destroyed by the economic shutdown than will die from the virus in Australia. That's after 1 week. Over the next 10 years the toll will be unfathomable
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Yes we should have done nothing like America who are predicting 140k deaths as the best case....
It depends how long the shut down goes for, but if you scale 140k deaths to Australia that’s 10,000 deaths (Just saying)
In human history we have never been able to contain a highly infectious novel coronavirus before (MERS and SARS we’re both more lethal but less contagious)
A complete shut down of the economy will have huge long term ramifications to the countries well being and prosperity.
I hope it’s worth it
If that's the case then I'm worried we could lose some high profile players
Go check my posts. Bring them up if you can. See how many are wrong or right.
Shutting down earlier would've rebooted the economy much sooner.
They should chuck their face on the front of the sun with a massive fine to follow.some people really are just s**t birds...
21st birthday party guests infected with COVID-19 after case linked to Aspen ski trip
A Melbourne woman who tested positive to COVID-19 after returning from a ski holiday in the US attended a 21st birthday party where at least six people have been struck down with the virus.www.theage.com.au
Well that blokes as good as dead.
2 doctors MIA and 1 dead for outing the government... How does china get away with this
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Because there is no government managing China's government?
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thats what all laws are for. if people arent going to drive sensibly then speeds get lowered and there are more speed cameras. instead of complaining that speed cameras are for revenue raising (an argument only makde by people with an IQ of 4), people should instead drive safer without needing to be told.
I was looking for this post, but someone has just deleted it. Luckily it was quoted by others.
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Interesting, obviously a hospital already setup for this kind of stuff but shows the level of precautions and organisation needed to protect healthcare workers.
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