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BruceFromBalnarring said:
Dear AFL,

Delay season 3 weeks. Cancel the mid and end season bye. Make it a 17 round season. Like, actually fair.

You’re welcome.

Bruce
Balnarring
Victoria
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Dear AFL,

When I said “You’re welcome”, that wasn’t to be taken as my advice being for free.

Send us a cheque, thanks, or at the very least a carton of, ahem, Coronas.

Cheers
Bruce
Balnarring
Victoria
 
Kirkswan said:
Seriously? You reckon it's insignificant when you lose your business, then your home and then you and your family are living on the streets? And if you're there for greater than six months, chances of you ever climbing back out are greatly diminished... And then multiply that by thousands of people all over the country... And now they're all living on the streets, let's have an unusually cold winter and they get the flu... then lets see how many are dead!

What about the casual employment population... changes brought in to protect small & medium size business mean that those workers are not being paid for time off, regardless of whether or not they're sick. I think they're somewhere around 10-15% of the workforce...

I don't know what the homeless population is like in Perth, but in Sydney (and it's satellites Newcastle & Wollongong) it's significant, and a steadily rising figure... Pretty sure Melbourne is similar...

There is not just one aspect to this, there's multiple... stop putting shit on the people trying to cope with a very real, very fast moving situation... they are walking a tightrope trying to protect all Australians, not just the ones the virus is likely to kill.

Gil's not my favourite person, neither is any politician... but right now there are no other options.
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Right... but are we talking about broader society, or the AFL season? Because I was talking about the cancellation of the season, which is inevitable and non-negotiable as far as I'm concerned. A player will get it, or a member of staff will get it and give it to players. And when, not if, that happens, the season will be cancelled. So while I get all of your points, with all due respect I think they're irrelevant as the AFL will have no choice. That they're prolonging this inevitable reality I think sends the wrong message. Just my opinion.
 

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Kirkswan said:
You're not considering the financial impact to not having a season, or obligations to advertising and/or television rights agreements...

Then there's all the small vendors associated with each of the games, the hits to the small pubs, restaurants etc that live of the revenue raised through holding these games...

The actual games themselves are the smallest part of the considerations, and probably the easiest... take every possible care to protect the players & support staff.

But cancelling the season... financial disaster for lots of folk... lets hope it doesn't happen...
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No doubt a lot of renegotiations of multiple contracts to take place to make afl sustainable survivable but the first decision must always be protecting humans from illness or death. Tv rights extended one year to make up for missing year. Contracts with players likewise with minimum wage paid this year. Small vendors to cut staff to be sustainable and seek other avenues for revenue. Some will founder. Buddy may have to sell off an investment property. There will be no perfect solution and will be a lot of pain and some casualties.....so we all hunker down and protect each other. nothing else can be done. Trying to continue as usual as though a season can go ahead is poor leadership. Accept what is and seek to mitigate.

“Hey Rupert I need to change the tv rights contract”

“Sorry it’s binding”

“Ok I’ll close AFL and because all money has been distributed your claim will die with that insolvency and then having set up new AFL I’ll seek a new contract at 5% of the previous because of the current worldwide depression”

“Oh crap, ok then”
 
caesar88 said:
Right... but are we talking about broader society, or the AFL season? Because I was talking about the cancellation of the season, which is inevitable and non-negotiable as far as I'm concerned. A player will get it, or a member of staff will get it and give it to players. And when, not if, that happens, the season will be cancelled. So while I get all of your points, with all due respect I think they're irrelevant as the AFL will have no choice. That they're prolonging this inevitable reality I think sends the wrong message. Just my opinion.
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They presume no players will die and they can push on I guess
 
If the season starts this weekend I expect they'll really stretch out the games to roughly 1 match a night to maximise TV coverage. Vic fans can't see their team without a Kayo subscription because many of the games wont be free to air and it's pretty irresponsible to suggest people to the pub. Would prob mean each round will take roughly 1.2 weekeneds to complete, no need for byes because breaks are extended and should still make it on time for a GF in September.
 
The King! said:
They presume no players will die and they can push on I guess
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They probably wouldn't die, but the season is still done once a positive test returns, which could happen as soon as today with Pendles.

Let's say a Swans player got it this week and didn't know he had it until after the match against the Crows. We are shut down, the Crows are shut down. Port won't have an opponent to play in round 2, Essendon won't have an opponent in round 2. Sure, they could play each other then, but how does the competition fairly move forward if two clubs can't participate?

There is just no viable way I can see the competition avoiding a positive test.
 
My understanding is:

1. The players themselves are not at risk if they contract the virus. They would have few symptoms
2. The risk is that they spread it to the wider community
3. The financial impacts of the cancellation of games will be dire and will take decades to resolve. Players salaries will be cut

So if the goal is:

1. Protect the community
2. Protect the viability of the game, then I would propose the following:

1. All players, coaches and skeleton staff relocate to melbourne for 3 months
2. Each team be allocated a ground, with accommodation near by
3. Each team be socially isolated for the three months,
4. The first 5 rounds of the full 22 game schedule be played at grounds in Melbourne without fans, but with full TV coverage
5. At the end of 3 months most players will have had the virus and recovered, and will no longer be contagious
6. Players with children etc can elect not to participate but will suffer a salary reduction as a consequence
7. Players from state leagues can elect to enter a draft knowing they will be in isolation for the 3 months.

I asked one of the younger swans players whether he would be willing to do this. He said they are pretty much doing it now, and if it meant more senior games and maintenance of salary then he would love to do it.
 
caesar88 said:
They probably wouldn't die, but the season is still done once a positive test returns, which could happen as soon as today with Pendles.

Let's say a Swans player got it this week and didn't know he had it until after the match against the Crows. We are shut down, the Crows are shut down. Port won't have an opponent to play in round 2, Essendon won't have an opponent in round 2. Sure, they could play each other then, but how does the competition fairly move forward if two clubs can't participate?

There is just no viable way I can see the competition avoiding a positive test.
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I dunno mate no one does

I guess they have created a hopeful contingency in difficult times

Not sure saying close it all down is the way to go either

It’s all shite
 
Ralphyboy why are the players not at risk if they get it? Everyone who gets this is at risk, some are just more at risk than others. Am already aware of young & healthy ending up in hospital because of it in the States. Will happen here too.
 

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As face of the club, I don't think Mills would be a good captain for marketing or promotions. He tries too hard in his interviews to be vanilla/a trained media puppy without actually giving his opinion. It's just "insert generic comment" every time. Maybe he gets better, who knows. Doesn't seem the captain type of person to me but neither does JPK. Ramps and Parker seem much more suited for the job but then again I can't see any of the other young blokes taking over the reigns
 
Ralphyboy said:
My understanding is:

1. The players themselves are not at risk if they contract the virus. They would have few symptoms
2. The risk is that they spread it to the wider community
3. The financial impacts of the cancellation of games will be dire and will take decades to resolve. Players salaries will be cut

So if the goal is:

1. Protect the community
2. Protect the viability of the game, then I would propose the following:

1. All players, coaches and skeleton staff relocate to melbourne for 3 months
2. Each team be allocated a ground, with accommodation near by
3. Each team be socially isolated for the three months,
4. The first 5 rounds of the full 22 game schedule be played at grounds in Melbourne without fans, but with full TV coverage
5. At the end of 3 months most players will have had the virus and recovered, and will no longer be contagious
6. Players with children etc can elect not to participate but will suffer a salary reduction as a consequence
7. Players from state leagues can elect to enter a draft knowing they will be in isolation for the 3 months.

I asked one of the younger swans players whether he would be willing to do this. He said they are pretty much doing it now, and if it meant more senior games and maintenance of salary then he would love to do it.
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Your point 5 may not be correct. There seems to be a fair bit of debate at the moment as to whether people who contract the virus will then be immune and, if so, for how long. One estimate I saw yesterday said immunity may only last for 3-4 months and after that the virus can be contracted again. This is an issue that governments are wrestling with at the moment because it may mean that we continue to get repeat waves of infections until a vaccine is developed.
 
DavyRed said:
Your point 5 may not be correct. There seems to be a fair bit of debate at the moment as to whether people who contract the virus will then be immune and, if so, for how long. One estimate I saw yesterday said immunity may only last for 3-4 months and after that the virus can be contracted again. This is an issue that governments are wrestling with at the moment because it may mean that we continue to get repeat waves of infections until a vaccine is developed.
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My suggestion may be full of holes!
 
wills2g said:
As face of the club, I don't think Mills would be a good captain for marketing or promotions. He tries too hard in his interviews to be vanilla/a trained media puppy without actually giving his opinion. It's just "insert generic comment" every time. Maybe he gets better, who knows. Doesn't seem the captain type of person to me but neither does JPK. Ramps and Parker seem much more suited for the job but then again I can't see any of the other young blokes taking over the reigns
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Huh????
 

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caesar88 said:
At the end of the day we're all just spitballing here, none of us really know what's what (unless there's secretly a WHO staff member on this board that no one knows about...)
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The WHO definitely aren’t in the loop. If they were they may have pressed China a little earlier before this disaster took place.
 

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