Crows Vs Port Key Match-ups

[Stiffy_18]

Bring on the Showdown 13. It will be a 50-50 game. Both sides will be looking to win this one. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a draw. Undermanned Port have been in very good form despite only winning 2 games to date. Their effort against Brisbane was sensational and were probably unlucky not to walk away with the victory. Here are the match ups that will go some way to to deciding the contest.

Stenglein Vs Stevens

Stevens has been in excellent form in the last month and would be leading the Brownlow at this stage. Stenglein has done good stopping jobs in the last 2 weeks on Williams and Cousins. In the past Stenglein played on Stevens and generally did well but Stevens has improved a lot this year and it will take Stenglein's best to neate him. Stevens is covering trmendous amount of ground.


Smart Vs Tredrea

While Tredrea would be a bit underdone, he still is Port's best forward and is a match winner. Smart has played on him last year and did a good job first time around and got spanked in the 2nd showdown of the year. McGregor could also go on Tredrea but I am not really confident with this. McGregor would need more muscle and experience for a gun like Tredrea. Smart really has to be at his best to beat him.


Hart Vs C. Cornes

Chad Cornes is fast becoming a champion and as a result you need a champion on him to mind him. Hart has done this job in the past and done it well. Cornes might have an edge in strength department. Cornes is a dangerous player that provides a genuine target and covers a lot of ground. If there is anyone you would want to mind Cornes it Mr. Reliable himself.


Biglands Vs Primus

If Primus plays (which is a big if IMO) then Biglands will have to get the first crack at him. Both are physical. You would probably back Biglands to beat Primus in the centre square hitouts because of his leap and new rules somewhat limiting Primus' rucking in the centre square. On stopagges around the ground Primus becomes more dangerous.

Clarke Vs Brogan

I really like Brogan and he gave us a bit of a spanking in the Wizard Cup. He marks the ball well, gets a lot of it around the ground and is very good at hitouts. This match up will be vital.


Shaun Burgoyne is in good form and Peter always causes us trouble. We will need to look after them but I am a bit lost as to who we match up on them. John**** could probably get Peter but I am not sure as to who would get Shaun.


Torney Vs Pickett

Pickett is staring to get to some sort of form and does a lot of good team things. He is physical more at the man than at the ball. As a result you would probably want a tough nut on him which is why I would go with Torney.


Schofield is another one that usually plays well against us. His pace has troubled us in the past and he is just about best player in the AFL at selling the dubmy.

I rate James really highly and is one of those sort of players that can kill you off.I wouldn't tag him but I would go w head to head with him. Goodwin is a good match up for James.

Gavin Wanganeen is in his Brownlow winning form and you would just need the forward that is being picked up by him to chase and harras and not really let him run off and create opportunities for the power.

I tought Lade and Brogan played well today and would hold their spots even if Primus comes back in. I never tought I would say this but we probably need to go with 3 ruckman. I am not a fan of this because it is a night game and we might be a bit top heavy. I wouldn't mind going in with 3 tall forwards and recalling Perrie would not be such a bad idea. Massie could also come in.

Thoughts??????

 

[DaveW]

Why haven't you considered Bassett for a key defensive role? Do you think he's too short to handle Chad Cornes?

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Shaun Burgoyne is in good form and Peter always causes us trouble. We will need to look after them but I am a bit lost as to who we match up on them. John**** could probably get Peter but I am not sure as to who would get Shaun.

I was thinking Johncock for Shaun Burgoyne. Shaun has uncanny evasive skills and posed a real problem for us in the forward line last time. I think if anyone is likely to do what Milne did to us two weeks ago its Junior Burger. Johncock was alright on Matera today too.

Perhaps Massie could play on Peter Burgoyne. He could come in for Marsh. Three ruckmen is a liability. Particularly as all three are tap ruckmen, Clarke and Marsh are next to useless in general play and Biglands is servicable at best.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Torney Vs Pickett
Pickett is staring to get to some sort of form and does a lot of good team things.

He'll be doing well to out-stare Torney...he has eyes like p*ssholes in the snow

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Crows Vs Port Key Match-ups

Originally posted by DaveW
Why haven't you considered Bassett for a key defensive role? Do you think he's too short to handle Chad Cornes?


I was thinking Johncock for Shaun Burgoyne. Shaun has uncanny evasive skills and posed a real problem for us in the forward line last time. I think if anyone is likely to do what Milne did to us two weeks ago its Junior Burger. Johncock was alright on Matera today too.

Perhaps Massie could play on Peter Burgoyne. He could come in for Marsh. Three ruckmen is a liability. Particularly as all three are tap ruckmen, Clarke and Marsh are next to useless in general play and Biglands is servicable at best.

I think Chad Cornes is too mobile for Bassett and goes forther up field which can at times unsettle Bassett. I tought Bassett could be used on someone like Lade who rests up forward. Bassett could play as a rebounding defender where could be so damaging.

Johncock is a go for one of the Burgoyne boys but Shaun might be a touch too tall for him. I am not sure Massie is quick enough for Shaun but he would be worth a shot. Hart would be good but if he moves onto Shaun who gets Chad. How would McGregor go on McGregor or Chad??????

 

[ClintEastwood]

1. Biglands will not beat Primus, new rules or no.

2. "Pickett is staring to get to some sort of form." - Yes, crap form. I can only assume you made that comment on the basis that you would think he should be getting into good form. Today, for example, he got only 1 touch to half time. Gift goal from Burgoyne's pass late in the game so I believe, but a crap game overall.

 

[macca23]

Whatever else we do. Marsh must go!!!

Yes, I know that I was one of those who agreed with Perrie being dropped and Marsh being included on his SANFL form.

I was wrong!! Perrie could never have been as bad as Marsh, and I did think our forward line was somewhat unbalanced without the 3rd tall (meaning one that can actually get the ball, not Marsh)

I'm just having visions - or should that be re-occurring nightmares - of Marsh trying to turn and chase his opponent deep in our forward line down at the Southern end. His turning circle was so wide I'll swear he stopped off at the hot dog stand behind the grandstand.

And then of course there was his one kick for the game - a gimme set shot that of course he missed!! Even that kick and point was cancelled by the free kick he gave away.

The stats say he had 2 hit outs for the game. God knows where they ended up.

If Marsh plays we CANNOT win the showdown!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Look I think Marsh should go but who do we bring in for him. Perrie would be an obvious choice but he didn't get a run this week. Daniel Schell took 11 marks and looked dangerous for Centrals but you know as well as I do that his kicking is shocking and his ground skills are non exsistent.

I would love us to go in with 3 talls in the forward line especially since Carey is not fit enough for 4 quarters, but who is the 3rd tall?????? Rutten?????? I doubt it.

Does Burns deserve another go?????? I think he does but he has to be more aggressive and play at the feet of Carey.

Massie deserves a go but who goes out for him???? It can't be Gallagher becasue he played well today and is getting some good form.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Pred
1. Biglands will not beat Primus, new rules or no.

2. "Pickett is staring to get to some sort of form." - Yes, crap form. I can only assume you made that comment on the basis that you would think he should be getting into good form. Today, for example, he got only 1 touch to half time. Gift goal from Burgoyne's pass late in the game so I believe, but a crap game overall.

1. He might not beat him but he would break even in hitouts and wear Primus down with his leap.

2. What I really meant is that he is due in for a good one and is a dangerous player even if he is down and as such will require a good player to match him up.

 

[macca23]

Marsh must go, but it can't be Schell either. It has to be Perrie - bad form or not - because at least he will give a contest.

As for Massie, I'd love to have him in the squad against Port. He's the right type of player for a showdown. But Gallagher did play well enough today to hold his spot.

As for Burns, I would definitely retain him. I thought he looked very dangerous at times in the limited amount of time that he did get. Obviously he upset Ayresy by not working hard enough when we didn't have the ball, otherwise he would have had more play time.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
As for Massie, I'd love to have him in the squad against Port. He's the right type of player for a showdown.

He made his debut last year ina showdown so he might get in this time around as well. Is Reilly safe??????

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by macca23
Marsh must go, but it can't be Schell either. It has to be Perrie - bad form or not - because at least he will give a contest.

As for Massie, I'd love to have him in the squad against Port. He's the right type of player for a showdown. But Gallagher did play well enough today to hold his spot.

As for Burns, I would definitely retain him. I thought he looked very dangerous at times in the limited amount of time that he did get. Obviously he upset Ayresy by not working hard enough when we didn't have the ball, otherwise he would have had more play time.

Agree 100%. Completely perplexed by some of AFC's selections since I have been away. Both Marsh & Schell should not get a game unless we are short on fit talls. So Perrie should come in for Marsh & Massie for Reilly, who needs time back in the SANFL IMO. As it was Burns 1st game, he should be given another game to find touch.

 

[AngelEyes]

Originally posted by macca23
Marsh must go, but it can't be Schell either.

I agree with this as everytime Marsh got the ball today he fell over and made absolutely no impact what-so-ever.


I think one of the main questions the afc selectors have to ask themselves is:
Who will they put on Gavin Wanganeen?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Stenglein Vs Stevens Agree Stiffy that with Francou out, Stevens is the midfielder whose influence needs to be curbed.

Smart Vs Tredrea No, I would go for McGregor as he is our CHB. I would play Smart on C Cornes, as is in vintage form & has the running power to go with him up the ground. Smarty should be challenged to play on a class player.

Hart Vs C. Cornes Hart should be used to adjust to Williams' mismatches. ie. He can pick up a resting ruckman or a mid/smaller player.

Torney Vs Pickett Seems a good matchup to me. Alternatively, Bassett could also play on Byron to match him for toughness, leaving Torney to pick up Dew.

That would leave Bassett (or Hart) to play on Snr Burger & Stiffy on Jnr Burger.

Biglands Vs Primus
Clarke Vs Brogan
We should rotate our ruckman around on the day depending on how it is going, but I agree that Biglands is better suited to playing on Primus.


James - Agree that we should not tag him, but keep a close eye on his influence.

Gavin Wanganeen is in his Brownlow winning form - how about runnning Edwards with him?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by AngelEyes
I think one of the main questions the afc selectors have to ask themselves is:
Who will they put on Gavin Wanganeen?

I don't think you can really tag him. He plays out of back pocket or half back flank so who ever Wanganeen picks up from our boys would have to line up on Gavin and bust his guts to keep the ball in the forward line and not let Gavin rebound out of defence easily.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Crows Vs Port Key Match-ups

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Stenglein Vs Stevens Agree Stiffy that with Francou out, Stevens is the midfielder whose influence needs to be curbed.

Smart Vs Tredrea No, I would go for McGregor as he is our CHB. I would play Smart on C Cornes, as is in vintage form & has the running power to go with him up the ground. Smarty should be challenged to play on a class player.

Hart Vs C. Cornes Hart should be used to adjust to Williams' mismatches. ie. He can pick up a resting ruckman or a mid/smaller player.

Torney Vs Pickett Seems a good matchup to me. Alternatively, Bassett could also play on Byron to match him for toughness, leaving Torney to pick up Dew.

That would leave Bassett (or Hart) to play on Snr Burger & Stiffy on Jnr Burger.

Biglands Vs Primus
Clarke Vs Brogan
We should rotate our ruckman around on the day depending on how it is going, but I agree that Biglands is better suited to playing on Primus.


James - Agree that we should not tag him, but keep a close eye on his influence.

Gavin Wanganeen is in his Brownlow winning form - how about runnning Edwards with him?

Dew is out for 10 weeks with OP.

I just doubt Bassett is agile enough to go with either Burger. I rather see him on Lade who he has matched up in the past and done well on him.

 

[ClintEastwood]

Re: Re: Crows Vs Port Key Match-ups

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
[Bleaving Torney to pick up Dew.[/B]

He's welcome to pick up Stewie if he likes. Is he gonna pick him up from home so they can go watch the game at Players' Bar or something? Or have I missed something and Stewie is now over his groin?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Re: Re: Re: Crows Vs Port Key Match-ups

Originally posted by Pred
He's welcome to pick up Stewie if he likes. Is he gonna pick him up from home so they can go watch the game at Players' Bar or something? Or have I missed something and Stewie is now over his groin?

Apologies Pred as I have only got limited AFL news lately being in a rugby state & not being on the net. The last I had heard was that the OP wasn't too bad & Dew was a week by week proposition (ie. assumed he would be OK for a showdown). I gather it has turned into Welshy-like proportions. Gotta hate this damn OP.

 

[Nige_Bix]

Maybe Ben Hart could take Shaun B- who i see as a danger player.

 

[maccas_no1]

Mcleod on Wanganeen????????

Riccutto on Carr

 

[Stiffy_18]

After a lot of tossing and turning I came up with a couple of risky match ups:

Bassett Vs C. Cornes

as a result this would free Hart to take on a very dangerous Shaun Burgoyne.

Schofield is the one causing me a bit of concern. There is only 2 players in our team that could match him for pace. Thats McLeod and Gallagher. What do you think of having Gallagher play head to head Schofield??????

 

[Vindaloo Mat]

your issue of whether or not to play Marsh summarizes the differences between the 2 sides at the moment IMHO.

Adelaide have an excellent midfield...an improved fwd line...a few good defenders...all round class.

But in a side where you do not have a huge list of injuries the team falls away at position number 20-22.....ie the last guy picked for the Crows is picked out of reluctance....ie there is no-one else.

At Port we ill be dropping players who do not deserve to be dropped (and perhaps keeping some who do deserve to be dropped....Byron ??).

It may not mean much on the day, as if Mcloed or Carey have a day out then the fact that Marsh is sitting on the bench does not matter....but if it is close...which I think it will be, then perhaps the quality of the 22nd player picked for each side may make the difference.

Port by 10 GOALS

VM

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Vindaloo Mat
Port by 10 GOALS

Impossible mate. Port Magpies have a bye this week

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Vindaloo Mat
But in a side where you do not have a huge list of injuries the team falls away at position number 20-22.....ie the last guy picked for the Crows is picked out of reluctance....ie there is no-one else.

I disagree. Adelaide have depth; Massie, Doughty and the injured Welsh have yet to play a match this year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
After a lot of tossing and turning I came up with a couple of risky match ups:

Bassett Vs C. Cornes

as a result this would free Hart to take on a very dangerous Shaun Burgoyne.

Schofield is the one causing me a bit of concern. There is only 2 players in our team that could match him for pace. Thats McLeod and Gallagher. What do you think of having Gallagher play head to head Schofield??????

Stiffy, I reckon Smart is a great matchup for C Cornes, as it would allow Smart to play up the the ground as Cornes likes to go up the field. Not sure why you are too worried about Schofield, as I reckon there are plenty of other Power players who deserve more attaention. However, the Gags matchup would be a good one.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Stiffy, I reckon Smart is a great matchup for C Cornes, as it would allow Smart to play up the the ground as Cornes likes to go up the field. Not sure why you are too worried about Schofield, as I reckon there are plenty of other Power players who deserve more attaention. However, the Gags matchup would be a good one.

I am still not convinced that McGregor can take on and beat Tredrea that why I didn't go for Smart on Cornes. If I am wrong then Smart is the obvious choice for Chad and Hart to pick up Burgoyne in what I think would be a very good match up.

As for Schofield I remeber him killing us off in a couple of Showdowns recently and he is such a dangerous running player that is ust about best in AFL at selling the dumby and kicking a lot of runnin goals.