Dangerfield on Kelly

[Back One Out]

The intent from Dangerfield was nowhere near that of Zac Williams. The outcome much worse, therefore it‘s the risk you take, I guess. In the end, you’ve gotta feel for a bloke who went to work and ended up with a broken nose and concussion

Nah.. I gotta disagree with you on this.

In that clip I posted from 360, if you can make it all the way through Robbo's ranting over the inadequacy of the 1 match ban given to Williams, there is a later segment from the same show where Jordan Lewis and Dermott Brereton are both asked about the Williams bump.

Dermie has that old ex-footballer's tendency to downplay the rough stuff. He also sticks up for the Giants players he knew from when he was briefly a development coach up there. But I actually agreed with what he said. I don't think there was serious malice in that Williams bump. Yep, he chose to bump, he was late; he jumped high and got him in the head... He deserved 1 week. But he wasn't trying to destroy Clark. If he had've got him with full-on intent, they would've needed a stretcher to get Clark off the ground. But he didn't. Clark got straight up and kept playing with no ill-effects. No St Kilda player bothered to remonstrate with Williams (which was also something Dermie noted.) That's usually a pretty good indicator.

Dangerfield, on the other hand, f**king SMASHED Kelly... Forget the clash of heads for one sec... Just the bump alone was a massive hit. Danger was pumped. He lined up Kelly and ran at him with 100% nasty intentions. He wanted to hit him (legally) as hard as he could and hurt him. He hit Kelly at least twice as hard as Williams v Clark. Maybe three times harder.

Both hits were illegal under AFL rules. Williams was more obviously illegal - he jumped higher and connected with the point of his shoulder into Clark's head. Dangerfield was unlucky he clashed heads with Kelly. Apart from that, it was a classic shirtfront. Split him down the middle. He also jumped up into the bump, but the point of his shoulder connected with Kelly high on the sternum, just below the jugular.

I don't think either player "meant" to go high. Obviously Danger didn't - nobody would be dumb enough to use their own head as a battering ram - but Williams also.. I just think it was one of those split second decisions in a collision sport where the player commits to making contact, but he f**ks up and has to pay the penalty. Maybe a little bit of self-preservation by Williams in that last split-second to jump up and avoid taking the full brunt of the collision anywhere near his own head. But it wasn't a hard bump. (Whateley and Robbo are a pair of dildos.)

Dangerfield had far greater malicious intent than Williams did. In that moment, he wanted to smash Kelly (legally) except he stuffed up.


Dangerfield: Careless high contact, severe impact = 3 weeks

Williams: Careless high contact, medium impact = 1 week

Correct weight.

 

[theyellowsash]

Jack Riewoldt is a ******* w***er. When Sydney stack nailed Viney with his bump he was on 360 talking about how great it was ( fair enough, I loved it too) but the only difference between stack and danger was an ACCIDENTAL clash of heads.

Calling stack a hero and danger a flog is double standard horse sh*t. Spineless little piss ant is Jack Riewoldt

Go have a cup of tea and a lie down

 

[Topkent]

Go have a cup of tea and a lie down

I'm drinking coffee in bed thanks mate.
Jroo still a w***er.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

So I'm guessing all the people who think accidental head clashes are worth suspensions all think that Nick Riewoldt should have got a month for this?




Came in at speed, hit a vulnerable player etc. Both a bump and tackle are legal if performed properly. Same thing between this and Danger was a head clash which neither player intended

Riewoldt’s wasn’t late or a bump.

Danger did not have to bump. He had time to pull out or atleast reduce his momentum. If you elect to bump late the onus is on you to ensure the head is protected.

Completely different.

 

[Topkent]

Riewoldt’s wasn’t late or a bump.

Danger did not have to bump. He had time to pull out or atleast reduce his momentum. If you elect to bump late the onus is on you to ensure the head is protected.

Completely different.

People keep saying 'bump' like it's illegal. It's completely legal to bump as it's completely legal to tackle. Rooey didn't reduce his speed and was completely responsible for a head clash.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

People keep saying 'bump' like it's illegal. It's completely legal to bump as it's completely legal to tackle. Rooey didn't reduce his speed and was completely responsible for a head clash.

Late bumps aren’t legal. . .

 

[Topkent]

Late bumps aren’t legal. . .

Neither are late tackles.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Neither are late tackles.

Riewoldt’s tackle wasn’t late.

 

[Topkent]

Riewoldt’s tackle wasn’t late.

Neither was dangers bump if it was executed without an accidental head clash.

 

[ashep]

I don’t disagree with the stance at all, but it would’ve been nice to see him hold the same energy towards Astbury’s wild elbow which could’ve been just as damaging. One issue at a time I guess.

It's unfortunately the same from every player and coach in the league.

They all prattle on about safety and protecting the opponent's head until one of their own is the perpetrator then they do whatever they can to downplay it.

I get it, stakes are high and you want your best players available but I'm sick to death of players and coaches trying to piss in my pocket because the reality is that they couldn't give 2 shits about the safety of other players if it means assigning fault to any one of their own.

To see Danger pretent he wasn't trying to bump and claim he was just protecting himself is downright pathetic. Have some balls and say "Yep, I ****ed up and the important thing now is Jake Kelly's recovery."

Credit to Scott, he got half-way there with his words, but was still mealy mouthed about it. How refreshing would it have been to see him say "Yep, Paddy chose to bump, messed it up, and he'll have to pay the consequences"?

 

[Topkent]

It's unfortunately the same from every player and coach in the league.

They all prattle on about safety and protecting the opponent's head until one of their own is the perpetrator then they do whatever they can to downplay it.

I get it, stakes are high and you want your best players available but I'm sick to death of players and coaches trying to piss in my pocket because the reality is that they couldn't give 2 shits about the safety of other players if it means assigning fault to any one of their own.

To see Danger pretent he wasn't trying to bump and claim he was just protecting himself is downright pathetic. Have some balls and say "Yep, I f’ed up and the important thing now is Jake Kelly's recovery."

Credit to Scott, he got half-way there with his words, but was still mealy mouthed about it. How refreshing would it have been to see him say "Yep, Paddy chose to bump, messed it up, and he'll have to pay the consequences"?

That would be incredibly stupid.

 

[CheapCharlie]

3 weeks was fair and just
Dangerfield's attempted pre-tribunal spin didn't help in getting the classification bumped down
Put the tackle on, forget the bump

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Neither was dangers bump if it was executed without an accidental head clash.

That’s the whole point though. If you go the bump late you need to ensure you don’t hit the head.

There was no need to bump that late. At best he gives away a silly free kick, at worst, well here we are.

 

[BF Tiger]

Any post that prattles on about an “accidental” head clash should be removed, labelled as fake news or be auto-corrected to “foreseeable” head clash.

 

[Wacko23Jacko]

Is that really true though or are ya just saying that? Is a shoulder on shoulder "bump" the same as putting your shoulder into someone's front while they're disposing of the football and not prepared to brace/defend themselves?

A bump like Stack's can have similar consequences to Dangerfield's "bump" but the odds are much lower. Because of the nature of the contact.

In saying that, a fair bump is great and exciting but I also don't believe it's worshippable and makes players a hero etc. The fact that we fawn over players who are reckless and throw their weight around with no regard for their own safety or others (ala Dangerfield) is the reason that these incidences are still regularly occuring.

I would prefer a tackle 90% of the time, purely for the fact that it's a more practical and effective football play.

Jack Riewoldt is a ******* w***er. When Sydney stack nailed Viney with his bump he was on 360 talking about how great it was ( fair enough, I loved it too) but the only difference between stack and danger was an ACCIDENTAL clash of heads.

Calling stack a hero and danger a flog is double standard horse sh*t. Spineless little piss ant is Jack Riewoldt

 

[Boston tiger]

How do you do good technique to avoid head clashes?

It use to be called a hip and shoulder. Leave the shoulder out of it and go the hip. If shoulder goes first I think things can get a lot messier. But the speed of the game today I’d say make sure you go real low.

 

[Topkent]

they're disposing of the football and not prepared to brace/defend themselves?

A bump like Stack's can have similar consequences to Dangerfield's "bump" but the odds are much lower. Because of the nature of the contact.

Stack lines Viney up from a fair way out, he launched into Viney who literally just spun to face that way so had no idea he was coming.
He actually gets Viney in the Jaw a little but Vineys so tough that he doesn't get concussed.

Stack leaves the ground to take him out.

I ****ing loved it, point being though that's the exact same bloody thing as Danger so if your captain thinks danger is a joke, then he better pull Sydney aside and tell him he's done

 

[Wacko23Jacko]

Side on contact vs front on. Shoulder on shoulder. Imagine that hit if Viney was perpendicular to stack. The exact same injury if not worse would have occurred and we would be having the same discussion, and I'd be saying to suspend him for 3-4 weeks too.

While Viney has limited time to react, he isn't In a completely defenceless position like Kelly.

Stack lines Viney up from a fair way out, he launched into Viney who literally just spun to face that way so had no idea he was coming.
He actually gets Viney in the Jaw a little but Vineys so tough that he doesn't get concussed.

Stack leaves the ground to take him out.

I ******* loved it, point being though that's the exact same bloody thing as Danger so if your captain thinks danger is a joke, then he better pull Sydney aside and tell him he's done

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[box070]

Jack Riewoldt is a ******* w***er. When Sydney stack nailed Viney with his bump he was on 360 talking about how great it was ( fair enough, I loved it too) but the only difference between stack and danger was an ACCIDENTAL clash of heads.

Calling stack a hero and danger a flog is double standard horse sh*t. Spineless little piss ant is Jack Riewoldt

The “accidental” head clash is the difference between a poorly executed bump and a genuine one like the one stack put on Viney.
Reiwoldt was calling out the lack of remorse shown for Kelly and rightly so. Danger hasn’t apologised afaik and what Sloane and Ricutto said was poor. Mind you Roo had a similar bump to Dangers.
Everyone was saying “I feel sorry for Danger” and he pulled them up. Fair enough IMO

I have a feeling Richmond players are still filthy with him for knocking vlaustin out in the GF

 

[Wacko23Jacko]

You start by not electing to bump when a player is front on and has a football in their hands/is disposing of a football and can't defend themselves.

The only bump that is reasonable here is a low and stationary bump essentially. Theres a few examples floating in this thread. But launching yourself at a player from equal height when they're front on is a big no no. Physics unavoidable. Heads will be smashed or whip back and forth which = concussion and broken face.

How do you do good technique to avoid head clashes?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Viney had the ball.

 

[Tony Harrison]

Stack lines Viney up from a fair way out, he launched into Viney who literally just spun to face that way so had no idea he was coming.
He actually gets Viney in the Jaw a little but Vineys so tough that he doesn't get concussed.

Stack leaves the ground to take him out.

I ******* loved it, point being though that's the exact same bloody thing as Danger so if your captain thinks danger is a joke, then he better pull Sydney aside and tell him he's done

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Low side on and turns his head away and the ball is still there.

Also would be holding the ball now since the Callan Ward incident

 

[Topkent]

Viney had the ball.

Which mean tackling was a much better option.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Stack lines Viney up from a fair way out, he launched into Viney who literally just spun to face that way so had no idea he was coming.
He actually gets Viney in the Jaw a little but Vineys so tough that he doesn't get concussed.

Stack leaves the ground to take him out.

I ******* loved it, point being though that's the exact same bloody thing as Danger so if your captain thinks danger is a joke, then he better pull Sydney aside and tell him he's done

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Viney has the ball dik. And it’s side on so far less likely to get the guy in the head.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Which mean tackling was a much better option.

It was legal for Stack to bump or tackle. Danger’s only legal option was to run straight past Kelly. Instead he chose to go through him. They are totally different.