Dees will not use top picks to secure Ball

[Buddha117]

Dean Bailey has said that the club will not use their first round draft picks to secure former Saint Luke Ball.

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/85974/default.aspx

 

[Dez!]

Good on him.

I don't want Ball if he doesn't want to be here, if he wants to come to us he'll nominate for the PSD and that will indicate that he wants to be apart of the club.

 

[Buddha117]

Good on him.

I don't want Ball if he doesn't want to be here, if he wants to come to us he'll nominate for the PSD and that will indicate that he wants to be apart of the club.

I hav'nt seen alot of Ball playing at all TBH. Is he good/better than Mclean? I know he has the leadership qualities that would be invaluable to the club. But how about his on field performances?

 

[SnowCool]

nick stevens didn't want to go to calrton, but that worked out fine in the end.

 

[bighughie]

I hav'nt seen alot of Ball playing at all TBH. Is he good/better than Mclean? I know he has the leadership qualities that would be invaluable to the club. But how about his on field performances?

Would have had trouble seeing much daylight between Ball, Judd and Hodge 24 months ago but he's had pretty bad OP or some other type of grion injury which has really cruelled his speed (which he never had a heap of anyway) and kicking penetration. He's still a clearance machine but those injury issues, a personality clash with Ross Lyon and the Saints assessment that he was'nt doing enough off the ball or of the "team" things like pushing back and working the zone really put him on the outer.

Still racked up 20 touches in the GF in about 50-something percent game time.

He's a pretty good player, I'd like to think that if he came to Melbourne the club would be confident they could fix his body up and get him going again and that a change of scenery would benefit both the player and the club.

To answer your questions, yes he's a better player than McLean.

 

[dee64]

Good on him.

I don't want Ball if he doesn't want to be here, if he wants to come to us he'll nominate for the PSD and that will indicate that he wants to be apart of the club.

Dumb, dumb. dumb.

What the hell does coming out and saying that achieve? We can longer tell Ball's management that we will pick him up in the ND, if he doesn't want to come to us via the PSD.

And if Luke Ball is the best available player at pick 18, why the f##k wouldn't we draft him? In a draft where anything over pick 10 is hit or miss, we're sticking with our youth at all costs policy.

At least our easily pleased supporters can crow about the fact that we have the youngest list.

 

[Dez!]

Dumb, dumb. dumb.

What the hell does coming out and saying that achieve? We can longer tell Ball's management that we will pick him up in the ND, if he doesn't want to come to us via the PSD.

It's not dumb, it's saying that we won't take Ball if he doesn't want to be here which is the right decision, I want the players at the club that I support to be committed to playing at the club.

You seem to have absolutely no idea as to what is dumb and what is smart.

And if Luke Ball is the best available player at pick 18, why the f##k wouldn't we draft him? In a draft where anything over pick 10 is hit or miss, we're sticking with our youth at all costs policy.

I'd rather pick up a young player at pick #18 than than a 25 year old Luke Ball who doesn't want to be at the club and also has suspect groins.

At least our easily pleased supporters can crow about the fact that we have the youngest list.

The crap about anything over pick 10 being hit and miss is bullshit, this draft is not as shallow as some may think.

 

[bighughie]

Dumb, dumb. dumb.

What the hell does coming out and saying that achieve? We can longer tell Ball's management that we will pick him up in the ND, if he doesn't want to come to us via the PSD.

And if Luke Ball is the best available player at pick 18, why the f##k wouldn't we draft him? In a draft where anything over pick 10 is hit or miss, we're sticking with our youth at all costs policy.

At least our easily pleased supporters can crow about the fact that we have the youngest list.

I dont see what the problem with picking Ball up with PSD #1 is. It means we can use our pick 18 on a good draft pick and have Ball too rather than waste a national draft pick on him then use PSD #1 on someone who's not as good as Ball.

As for your assessment of the draft, surely every single player picked is a hit or miss. There is practically no sure thing, Scully could smash his ankle three weeks after we draft him and never play, great players get picked up early and picked up late. I have no problem with the club using all our draft picks if they think that there is quality players out there.

I'm so sick of everyone and their dog parroting the 'this is a weak draft' line, I remember the 'SUPER DRAFT' of 2003 where everyone was a superstar. Turns out it's pretty much Cooney, daylight and a few decent players like Mclean, Walker and Sylvia and noone else.

 

[dee64]

I'm so sick of everyone and their dog parroting the 'this is a weak draft' line, I remember the 'SUPER DRAFT' of 2003 where everyone was a superstar. Turns out it's pretty much Cooney, daylight and a few decent players like Mclean, Walker and Sylvia and noone else.

The fact that clubs were so keen to trade 1st round picks tells you the strength and depth of the draft. Sydney tried to trade picks 6 and 14 to Richmond for pick 3. That's how much they valued their 1st round picks.

 

[bighughie]

The fact that clubs were so keen to trade 1st round picks tells you the strength and depth of the draft. Sydney tried to trade picks 6 and 14 to Richmond for pick 3. That's how much they valued their 1st round picks.

I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of deal is proposed every year.

Who wouldn't want pick number 3? Sydney were trying to trade up so that they had absolute control over who could pick, it's completely logical for any team to make such a suggestion especially a team like Sydney who draft players to fill very specific roles.

The point I'm making is that we have no idea how this draft will turn out, which is why i was referring to the 'super draft' of 03 which has turned out to be none too super. Some people think the draft isnt as good this year as it has been in previous years, which may turn out to be true, however the opposite has happened also where everyones raved about the draft and looking back it's turned out to be bunk.

 

[The Professor]

The crap about anything over pick 10 being hit and miss is bullshit, this draft is not as shallow as some may think.

Every year they say it's a shallow draft and in 2012 people will go how did X,y,z,q,w,e,r,t go in the second round, 3rd round.

It's fact that the draft is more shallow but there are plenty of good young kids/players out there. Recruiters have to work harder and really earn their money.

 

[master bate]

The way I see the draft is that by missing the 17 year olds we are missing a third of the draft. So I counter that in to make every pick the equivalent of 1.5 times a normal draft.

Pick 1 and 2 is like having 2 and 3 in a normal year. So Pick 10 is equivalent to pick 15. Our 4 picks inside the top 20 are equivalent to 4 inside 30 which is nice to have. Pick 60 goes to 90 there by showing why clubs wont draft that deep this year. It seems to work nicely for me!

So using my system Sydney by offering 6,14 for 3. That is the equivalent of offering 9 + 21 for pick pick 5. Which I think someone would offer each year. The main thing the Sydney trade offer shows is they believe their are clearly 3 players better than the rest on how the judge their potential draftees (almost surely they refer to Scully, Trengove and Martin). Luckily we should get 2 of them.

 

[AFL is Number One]

We worked hard for our early draft picks , tank you very much.

So, let's not "waste" them...instead let's use them as intended ,to pick up quality young blokes. Bailey is smart, he knows that we can still get Ball via the PSD.

by the way, I think Ball would be a great pick up.

We are looking good. Roll on 2010 !

 

[demonfan9]

If Ball wants to play for Melbourne, he won't make us waste a pick on him in the National Draft. It's pretty simply really.

 

[BigSexc]

We worked hard for our early draft picks , tank you very much.

So, let's not "waste" them...instead let's use them as intended ,to pick up quality young blokes. Bailey is smart, he knows that we can still get Ball via the PSD.

by the way, I think Ball would be a great pick up.

We are looking good. Roll on 2010 !

i get that vibe too, looks like a shrewd little man.. i like him. i only hope he can coach next year when we aren't "list managing".. boy i hope he can coach.. next neil craig

 

[SnowCool]

Change of attitude, Melbourne now indicating they will take him in the national draft with a first round pick -

MELBOURNE may use a first-round draft pick to snare St Kilda's Luke Ball in the national draft, so desperate are the Demons to lure the former Saints captain to the club.

Coach Dean Bailey said yesterday it was more likely Melbourne would gamble on Ball being available later in the draft, but it is believed the Demons would be happy to use pick 18, or even pick 11 to get him.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/dees-are-desperate-to-win-ball/2009/10/12/1255195743356.html

I would be happy to take him at 18, from all indication (such as here - http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/dissecting-the-draft/2009/10/10/1255019653282.html ) it is a very weak draft after the first 6-10.

 

[CM Sean]

Change of attitude, Melbourne now indicating they will take him in the national draft with a first round pick -



http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/dees-are-desperate-to-win-ball/2009/10/12/1255195743356.html

I would be happy to take him at 18, from all indication (such as here - http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/dissecting-the-draft/2009/10/10/1255019653282.html ) it is a very weak draft after the first 6-10.

Ok, this is interesting. First he says we won't be using our national draft picks, and now all of a sudden he changes his mind and says we might? It's like as if he's saying to Ball; Come to our club by choice, or we will take you by force lol.

 

[Pipefitter]

Im glad Bailey is really up in arms about getting Luke Ball. We have lost mclean, and losing Jmac next year. Time to get another warrior in the middle. Luke ball had a bad year but like said before he was just up there with Hodge, and Judd a few years ago, and still has time on his side.

 

[Underdog]

West Coast apparently believe the talent in the draft to extend to about pick 30.

It's why we didn't package our pick 22 and 23 for an upgrade.

 

[dee64]

Ok, this is interesting. First he says we won't be using our national draft picks, and now all of a sudden he changes his mind and says we might? It's like as if he's saying to Ball; Come to our club by choice, or we will take you by force lol.

That's why I said it was dumb to come out and say that we would not use top picks to secure Ball.

Bailey's current stance of "come to our club by choice, or we will take you by force" is exactly the right approach we should be taking, and what I wanted to hear from the start.

I don't buy the argument that if Ball doesn't want to come to us, we should ignore him. There are plenty of draftees who would have a preference of staying in their home state. The nature of the draft is that you can't always get what you want. The same applies to Luke Ball.

 

[SnowCool]

That's why I said it was dumb to come out and say that we would not use top picks to secure Ball.

Bailey's current stance of "come to our club by choice, or we will take you by force" is exactly the right approach we should be taking, and what I wanted to hear from the start.

I don't buy the argument that if Ball doesn't want to come to us, we should ignore him. There are plenty of draftees who would have a preference of staying in their home state. The nature of the draft is that you can't always get what you want. The same applies to Luke Ball.

Agree, Look at Nick Stevens, he didn't want to go to Carlton but that worked out fine.

 

[saj_21]

Dumb, dumb. dumb.

What the hell does coming out and saying that achieve? We can longer tell Ball's management that we will pick him up in the ND, if he doesn't want to come to us via the PSD.

And if Luke Ball is the best available player at pick 18, why the f##k wouldn't we draft him? In a draft where anything over pick 10 is hit or miss, we're sticking with our youth at all costs policy.

At least our easily pleased supporters can crow about the fact that we have the youngest list.

Whats your issue with going for youth? We have a perfectly good oppourtunity to get Luke Ball threw the PSD and this should be our one and only option. Leave picks 1, 2, 11, and 18 to young kids who can play 200+ games for us. Every draft is hit and miss!

We worked hard for our early draft picks , tank you very much.

So, let's not "waste" them...instead let's use them as intended ,to pick up quality young blokes. Bailey is smart, he knows that we can still get Ball via the PSD.

by the way, I think Ball would be a great pick up.

We are looking good. Roll on 2010 !

You make somes sense about footbal when not talking about Brock mclean .


As for the age article, take thats a pinch of salt. No way know melbourne will use any of its first 4 picks on Ball. Bailey wasn't not quoted in saying that in the article...in fact quite the opposite. Those to clowns who wrote the article NFI!

 

[bighughie]

Agree, Look at Nick Stevens, he didn't want to go to Carlton but that worked out fine.

If by fine you mean got fat and lost all motivation to even attempt to play good football then yeah, worked out just fine. He made a hat-full of money though.

 

[Moo]

All you really have to do is come out and declare you will trump C'wood in the ND - which via a nice media leak you have.

It would be worth taking Ball and having him on your list for a year as a mentor for picks 1 & 2 plus as a replacement for Brock.

If he hates it and wants to go next season - I am sure C'wood will still be prepared to put an offer up and if you get his OP sorted his value may even rise.

I suspect with GC in next year there will be more than a few early draft picks in the system and as we saw this year when a few picks fly there is a greater likliehood of them being on traded to other clubs.

PSD would be ideal, even if you have to threaten 18 to get it over the line.