Did Sydney cheat?

[bungwahl]

Sure but acting like there's no merit in the reaction by Brisbane fans/Leppitsch is pretty silly all the same. Swans fans would be equally livid in the circumstances.

I think all of us agree that it was the wrong decision by the umps. Some people are actually claiming that Sydney are somehow cheats because of an umpiring error, hence the defensiveness.

Leppa's reaction was poor though - if you're going to blow up at least do it in a controlled manner. Everyone knew it was a shepherd and a knee issue, so it was pretty silly saying the player was clumsy and fell over his own feet, then had cramp.

 

[The Gong]

Sure but acting like there's no merit in the reaction by Brisbane fans/Leppitsch is pretty silly all the same. Swans fans would be equally livid in the circumstances.

Fair enough. You would be filthy and want answers but having a spray at the Swans and accusing us of cheating is not fair.

If we say that Leppa was right to blow up then I was also say that I thought his choice of words was poor and he got a few facts wrong in his media conference. Having a dig at Sinclair saying he "tripped over his own feet" and "just had cramp" was wrong when it was the secondary shepherd when he got injured. Then insinuating not too subtly that he thought the Swans did something untoward when he had no evidence that was the case also pretty poor form in my opinion. I know he was emotional about it but I would hope he would regret the way he expressed it.

 

[The Gong]

At the end of this the rule needs to be fixed. There is currently nothing stopping a team throwing a stretcher on as soon as they realise they are going to concede a goal over the back which is just stupid.

The umpires should be the only ones authorised to call for the stretcher. And there are about 10 of them including the peace keeping one about 5 metres from each bench so there are plenty of opportunities for the teams to communicate with the umpires and have a fair and reasonable decision made.

Absolutely agree with this.

 

[Bardo State]

I think all of us agree that it was the wrong decision by the umps. Some people are actually claiming that Sydney are somehow cheats because of an umpiring error, hence the defensiveness.

Leppa's reaction was poor though - if you're going to blow up at least do it in a controlled manner. Everyone knew it was a shepherd and a knee issue, so it was pretty silly saying the player was clumsy and fell over his own feet, then had cramp.

I think the Swans were a bit trigger happy on the stretcher given the circumstances. I know they're not responsible for stopping play and they didn't plan for Sinclair to go down, but saw the opportunity to stop play and slow things down, took it and unfortunately the umpires made an error in allowing it to happen. I just have trouble believing they would have called for the stretcher had the same incident happened in the first quarter. Not malicious but certainly appeared opportunistic.

 

[Superstar swan]

Yep swans fault the umps made wrong call.

Just something else for the masses to turn against our club, seeing as they cant attack our performances

 

[adey115]

Why do all issues get 'gate' slapped on the back of it? never understood it

Well, I think you've just opened Gate-gate then.

 

[J_Moore]

I don't think anyone seriously thinks it was anything other than a good shepherd. If they do, they're kidding themselves.

I'm kidding myself then, because it was a pretty clear in the back for mine. Like, he hits him in between the shoulder blades

Zak Jones laid one for us in a similar position against the Giants a few weeks back, and I couldn't believe our luck that he got away with it.

As I said, it doesn't bother me too much in isolation, but it's funny to be glossed over in the context of outrage over an incorrect umpiring decision with a marginal impact on the game.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Oh, so the OP is completely wrong then? It was an umpire error?

All you squibs can feel free to apologise for calling us cheats now.

Mods can we get the thread title changed? How about "Sydney call for stretcher for injured player, umpires incorrectly stop play, Leppich makes an idiot of himself by being a whinging little sook and a lot of ignorant BF posters do the same?"

Seems like Leppa was correct. Play should have stopped before the stretcher came out - i.e. exactly what he said and what the AFL have come out and said today too.

 

[Young Gun #6]

Brisbane were about to get pinged for holding the ball and got a ball up instead so wouldn't say it was cheating in the slightest.

 

[bungwahl]

I think the Swans were a bit trigger happy on the stretcher given the circumstances. I know they're not responsible for stopping play and they didn't plan for Sinclair to go down, but saw the opportunity to stop play and slow things down, took it and unfortunately the umpires made an error in allowing it to happen. I just have trouble believing they would have called for the stretcher had the same incident happened in the first quarter. Not malicious but certainly appeared opportunistic.

It did look like Sinclair had done his knee going by his reaction. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he's the type to stay down when he doesn't need to or not. Perhaps they were keen to get him off so they weren't a man down in defence, given the close score line.

 

[Happy_Neale]

I think all of us agree that it was the wrong decision by the umps. Some people are actually claiming that Sydney are somehow cheats because of an umpiring error, hence the defensiveness.

Leppa's reaction was poor though - if you're going to blow up at least do it in a controlled manner. Everyone knew it was a shepherd and a knee issue, so it was pretty silly saying the player was clumsy and fell over his own feet, then had cramp.

Do we know if it was or was not cramp yet? Sorry but don't see how a bump in the back/shoulder would cause a knee injury.

 

[CD__]

The worst thing about Leppitsch making those comments was that now it's all anyone is going to talk about for the next couple of days instead of rightfully complimenting the Lions on one of their best performances in recent memory. He should have known better and I've got no doubt that people above him at the club would be quietly disappointed.

 

[bungwahl]

Do we know if it was or was not cramp yet? Sorry but don't see how a bump in the back/shoulder would cause a knee injury.

He was clutching his knee and appeared to have been shot. Leg injuries can happen without obvious incident - e.g. the bloke doing his Achilles off the ball in the A-League GF.

 

[Happy_Neale]

He was clutching his knee and appeared to have been shot. Leg injuries can happen without obvious incident - e.g. the bloke doing his Achilles off the ball in the A-League GF.

Yeah no doubting any of that. Might still be cramp though and fact remains Leppa's overriding point was that play should have stopped.

 

[Happy_Neale]

The worst thing about Leppitsch making those comments was that now it's all anyone is going to talk about for the next couple of days instead of rightfully complimenting the Lions on one of their best performances in recent memory. He should have known better and I've got no doubt that people above him at the club would be quietly disappointed.

Nah. The disappointing part was the umpires who incorrectly stopped play, not our coach being upset about it.

 

[CD__]

Nah. The disappointing part was the umpires who incorrectly stopped play, not our coach being upset about it.

So you'd prefer the media to be talking about the stretcher incident rather than how well Ben Keays played on his debut? Or the form of Hanley? Or how good of a coaching move it was to throw Tom Bell into the midfield after quarter time? Or how well your leaders in Rockliff, Robinson and Merrett played?

Makes sense

 

[Tedeski]

Seems like Leppa was correct. Play should have stopped before the stretcher came out - i.e. exactly what he said and what the AFL have come out and said today too.

There you go.

You win!

 

[bungwahl]

Yeah no doubting any of that. Might still be cramp though and fact remains Leppa's overriding point was that play should have stopped.

He was right that play shouldn't have been stopped when it was.

He was wrong to repeatedly say that the player fell over his own feet, when he had been taken out by a Lions play - albeit legally. That press conference should have been full of praise for the effort the Lions put up, instead their coach just sounded like a sook. It took the spotlight off how good the Lions had played. Rather than taking a huge boost of confidence out of the game, they take away a negative "we were robbed" mentality.

 

[Happy_Neale]

So you'd prefer the media to be talking about the stretcher incident rather than how well Ben Keays played on his debut? Or the form of Hanley? Or how good of a coaching move it was to throw Tom Bell into the midfield after quarter time? Or how well your leaders in Rockliff, Robinson and Merrett played?

Makes sense

He was right that play shouldn't have been stopped when it was.

He was wrong to repeatedly say that the player fell over his own feet, when he had been taken out by a Lions play - albeit legally. That press conference should have been full of praise for the effort the Lions put up, instead their coach just sounded like a sook. It took the spotlight off how good the Lions had played. Rather than taking a huge boost of confidence out of the game, they take away a negative "we were robbed" mentality.

Maybe watch the whole presser lads. He did both these things later on, the reporters just asked him about the stretcher first.

 

[Bleeeeeeeeep]

LOL

 

[CD__]

Maybe watch the whole presser lads. He did both these things later on, the reporters just asked him about the stretcher first.

But if he hadn't have answered it in the way that he did, it would barely be being spoken about at the moment and the media might actually be focusing on the numerous positives that Brisbane can take away from the game.

 

[Happy_Neale]

But if he hadn't have answered it in the way that he did, it would barely be being spoken about at the moment and the media might actually be focusing on the numerous positives that Brisbane can take away from the game.

Lol. Okay buddy. I'm sure the media are more likely to play clips of Leppa talking about Ben Keays than a controversial incident which they can report on for the next day or two. This thread alone is proof it is a pretty polarising incident which people are far more likely to eat up.

 

[The King!]

people still winging about this..

 

[bungwahl]

Maybe watch the whole presser lads. He did both these things later on, the reporters just asked him about the stretcher first.

I saw the whole presser. Leppa is no media newbie - he knew he was providing sound bites for the news headline.

 

[pacman]

I think all of us agree that it was the wrong decision by the umps. Some people are actually claiming that Sydney are somehow cheats because of an umpiring error, hence the defensiveness.

Leppa's reaction was poor though - if you're going to blow up at least do it in a controlled manner. Everyone knew it was a shepherd and a knee issue, so it was pretty silly saying the player was clumsy and fell over his own feet, then had cramp.

Yes because the runner called for the stretcher and notified the closest umpire.