Do Brisbane need a priority pick?

[Colonial]

Can someone explain how we brought our current situation on ourselves in a way that is fundamentally different to clubs who have previously received priority picks such as Carlton and Melbourne?

I don't deny that we have made some bad decisions, but I am confused as to why the "they brought it on themselves" thing seems to be applied to us in a way these other clubs seem to be excluded from.

Your a northern club

 

[tunksy]

I think the AFL needs to step in (see dees) and get some good management and marketing in place, with the first step being to get the lions a good modern training base that will help attract and retain talent.

they have some good players on their list that just aren't playing good (well damaging enough) enough. rocky, beams, rich, zorko, greene, taylor, hanley but they need support badly at either end of the ground. a KPD and KPF/back up ruck.

development coaches. beef up the department and get quality in. Rich really hasn't kicked on since the rising star and needs to find the ball more, cos he uses it well generally.

taken too many players that wanted to move, I think because so many left and they wanted to look like brisbane was 'getting better'.
Beams, absolute gun when not injured.
Bastinac? really really inconsistent.
Bell? not good enough after last years form. (honestly still dont think he was that good).
Robinson? had some good games, but still another inconsistent player.

finally, is it the coach or isn't it? they seem to get worse every year sadly.

 

[footyfan000001]

Nope.

They've traded away picks 5, 17, 21(x2), 25, 26, 41, 2016 third round pick over the past few years.
Traded away Crisp.

And brought in players - Beams, Christensen, Bell, Walker, Jansen, Bastinac, West.

Going to the draft is so important and they actually drafted the best last season in my opinion.

Should have held onto more picks in the past IMO.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Nope.

They've traded away picks 5, 17, 21(x2), 25, 26, 41, 2016 third round pick over the past few years.
Traded away Crisp.

And brought in players - Beams, Christensen, Bell, Walker, Jansen, Bastinac, West.

Going to the draft is so important and they actually drafted the best last season in my opinion.

Should have held onto more picks in the past IMO.

Already the youngest list in the league. Not sure how much youth we can afford to carry at once. Just increases the floggings, bad PR, bad attendance and temptation for players to look elsewhere. There is a balance of maturity that every developing list needs.

 

[Sausages]

Well firstly, they are terrible at marketing themselves. That's not opinion it's fact. If you live in Brisbane then that should be patently obvious.

Secondly I don't work in marketing. I do however work with companies that are sports related in Brisbane, work closely with their marketing teams and have family members very much involved in sports and grass roots football in Brisbane. So yeah I do consider my opinion informed.

Vested interest? How so? More vested them your moronic flag waving and mindless defence of any criticism? It really does make me wonder why some team board mods inhabit this board as they are some of the most precious trolls here.

Anyway, feel free to point to examples of where I've been wrong with Brisbane. You know point to marketing strategies that have been successful?

Going head to head with the Broncos shouldn't be the goal. The Broncos and NRL have hardcore fans that will never be won over. However Brisbane isn't Adelaide or Perth, there are many people who are either Mexicans (like me) or code agnostic that can be won over to some extent that at least will attend games. Surely you've noticed the number of visiting fans that attend some of your games?

In regards to the admin, I have had experience with both the last and current admin. Late last year I was in a management meeting where the marketing team were yet again lamenting the lack of response and interest from the Lions. It's a common theme. Frankly I reckon the Broncos are lazy too but they can afford to be. Establish sports brands often are. However the Lions can't afford to be.

And yes I do feel the Fitzroy branding hurts the Lions in the Queensland market. It's irrelevant and people in Brisbane couldn't care less.

First point - no, it's not a fact, it is your opinion.
Second - you establish your credentials without any supporting evidence, ie CV etc. So, again, allow people to adjudicate for themselves the relevant worth of your "informed opinion."
Thirdly, yes, Brisbane isn't Adelaide or Perth. Consequently, the dominant football code is clearly your linking argument here. And I'll pretty much leave that point there.
Fourth, you are ascribing ongoing value to casual attendance ("being won over to some extent" and "attend games"). This is not membership and thus is as equally valid as having the stadium FULL of opposition supporters.
Fifth, we are back to points one and two.
Lastly, we are back to points one and two, with a dash of alienating the Melbourne supporters we happen to value.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Last of the Roys]

Well firstly, they are terrible at marketing themselves. That's not opinion it's fact. If you live in Brisbane then that should be patently obvious.

Secondly I don't work in marketing. I do however work with companies that are sports related in Brisbane, work closely with their marketing teams and have family members very much involved in sports and grass roots football in Brisbane. So yeah I do consider my opinion informed.

Vested interest? How so? More vested them your moronic flag waving and mindless defence of any criticism? It really does make me wonder why some team board mods inhabit this board as they are some of the most precious trolls here.

Anyway, feel free to point to examples of where I've been wrong with Brisbane. You know point to marketing strategies that have been successful?

Going head to head with the Broncos shouldn't be the goal. The Broncos and NRL have hardcore fans that will never be won over. However Brisbane isn't Adelaide or Perth, there are many people who are either Mexicans (like me) or code agnostic that can be won over to some extent that at least will attend games. Surely you've noticed the number of visiting fans that attend some of your games?

In regards to the admin, I have had experience with both the last and current admin. Late last year I was in a management meeting where the marketing team were yet again lamenting the lack of response and interest from the Lions. It's a common theme. Frankly I reckon the Broncos are lazy too but they can afford to be. Establish sports brands often are. However the Lions can't afford to be.

And yes I do feel the Fitzroy branding hurts the Lions in the Queensland market. It's irrelevant and people in Brisbane couldn't care less.

From the guru that for some reason fiercely supported the Paddlepop lion experiment. Marketing is really up your ally hey Jeff???

And was of course told then as now - it doesn't matter that much what marketing you do, what Brisbane needs to be able to do most of all is win games. Everything else is not quite irrelevant, but pales in significance in terms of getting more supporters to come on board.

The last point on Fitzroy is just beyond laughable. I am sure the number one thing kids are thinking of in Brisbane when deciding whether to barrack for the Lions, another club or not follow Aussie Rules at all, is any Fitzroy related branding (which is hardly overt in Brisbane at all). Of course absolutely nothing to do with the fact the team has been terrible on field since the end of 2009.

 

[mrpez]

Public forums are great. StKilda and Melbourne supporters are lecturing Brisbane supporters about running a successful club, without a hint of irony.

Its not as silly as it sounds. Melbourne supporters aren't involved in the day to day operations of the club, but demographics wise, we are more likely to be a CEO or someone in a decision-making capacity, than lets say a Collingwood supporter. So our opinion should count double

 

[JeffDunne]

From the guru that for some reason fiercely supported the Paddlepop lion experiment. Marketing is really up your ally hey Jeff???

Lol. "Fiercely supported"?

I supported their right to rebrand the club, not the Mickey Mouse attempt at it. Big difference.

And was of course told then as now - it doesn't matter that much what marketing you do, what Brisbane needs to be able to do most of all is win games. Everything else is not quite irrelevant, but pales in significance in terms of getting more supporters to come on board.

Three premierships not enough?

How'd that work out for you?

The last point on Fitzroy is just beyond laughable. I am sure the number one thing kids are thinking of in Brisbane when deciding whether to barrack for the Lions, another club or not follow Aussie Rules at all, is any Fitzroy related branding (which is hardly overt in Brisbane at all). Of course absolutely nothing to do with the fact the team has been terrible on field since the end of 2009.

It's an issue of identity. Brisbane kids don't identify with a club whose logo looks older than their grandparents.

All sporting teams try new ways to connect with a younger audience. Why should Brisbane continue to be limited by an agreement hashed out to get a takeover rushed past stakeholders? (Cue Roylion's "it was a merger" rant)

 

[Bad Horse]

Can someone explain how we brought our current situation on ourselves in a way that is fundamentally different to clubs who have previously received priority picks such as Carlton and Melbourne?

I don't deny that we have made some bad decisions, but I am confused as to why the "they brought it on themselves" thing seems to be applied to us in a way these other clubs seem to be excluded from.

Not sure I agree with the underlying assumption I think you are making. I don't think you are any different to either of them, and they shouldn't have received them either. And for the record, we shouldn't have got one in 2005. So I am not seeing some great hypocrisy, more just in general everyone has been turned off the concept of PP's as anything other than a rort. Your bad luck is timing.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Lions board majorly ****ed up when they knifed Voss to get Paul Roos when they are on the cusp of the top 8, they trade away their top picks and they think they are deserving of a priority pick?

Give me a ****ing break.

Dig yourself out the hole you dug. Asshats

Should be at least 2 more seasons of shitness before they are in contention.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Victorian clubs and the media wanted a draft lottery last week, to stop teams tanking (out of fear that Freo were tanking). This week, it's important that Essendon get the 1st pick if they finish last, because a deliberate and callous human drug experimentation regime should reap such rewards. Not to mention players like Heppell, Hurley, Hooker and Watson returning are akin 4 #1 draft picks on their list.

Give me a spell!

Happy to let you have #1 Draft pick if they give us back all our sanctions from 2013.

Ok?

 

[Haso]

There are a lot of people taking football very personally in this thread.

For example.

Dig yourself out the hole you dug. Assholes

 

[Grizzly86]

Happy to let you have #1 Draft pick if they give us back all our sanctions from 2013.

Ok?

The sanctions for running the aforementioned abhorrent doping regime? The like of which hasn't been seen in Australian sport before? Still trying to play the victim?

Impressive long game.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Agree with what Kochie had to say about Ess and pick 1.
No way they should get it. Ess will have a dozen players back next year, they havent got the worst list around and the reason they are rubbish this year is of their own doing / cheating.
Brissy on the other hand deserves it. they dont have the luxury of bringing in 12 first 22 players from round 1 next year.
If the AFL were serious about not giving Ess a leg up when they dont deserve it they would make their first pick in the middle of round 1 at best

Why shouldn't we get it?

CAS found 34 individual players, some of whom still play for Essendon, guilty of drug cheating. Essendon the club got their punishment for this mess 3 years ago, and it was a big punishment at that.

 

[Adz2332]

Why shouldn't we get it?

CAS found 34 individual players, some of whom still play for Essendon, guilty of drug cheating. Essendon the club got their punishment for this mess 3 years ago, and it was a big punishment at that.

again because you arent the worst team, you arent going to be next year by far.
Brissy are far and away the worst list going around.
If you asked them, they would take your dozen players coming back in over the first pick no question.
again these are extra ordinary circumstances

 

[HirdsTheWord]

There are a lot of people taking football very personally in this thread.

For example.

There have been plenty of shit clubs in the past who didn't get priority picks.

Pisses me off when your club ruined itself by knifing Voss now you somehow think you are entitled to one. Voss had you on the cusp of Finals. Now you suck you want handouts....The last time you got handouts you won 3 cups in a row.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

again because you arent the worst team, you arent going to be next year by far.
Brissy are far and away the worst list going around.
If you asked them, they would take your dozen players coming back in over the first pick no question.
again these are extra ordinary circumstances

We finished 4th last in 2015 with a full list.

What you talking about bro.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Why shouldn't we get it?

CAS found 34 individual players, some of whom still play for Essendon, guilty of drug cheating. Essendon the club got their punishment for this mess 3 years ago, and it was a big punishment at that.

Because the draft is meant to allocate players to teams in priority of need. It's not perfect but the ladder is seen as the fairest way to determine need. If a team's ladder position is artificially affected by an anomaly (especially sanctions from cheating), I feel the AFL has an obligation to intervene.

I totally disagree your punishment 3 years ago was big btw. It should have been many magnitudes worse than what Adelaide got for the Tippett debacle. It wasn't.

 

[Adz2332]

We finished 4th last in 2015 with a full list.

What you talking about bro.

Fair point drop it to a mid round 1 pick easy

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Because the draft is meant to allocate players to teams in priority of need. It's not perfect but the ladder is seen as the fairest way to determine need. If a team's ladder position is artificially affected by an anomaly (especially sanctions from cheating), I feel the AFL has an obligation to intervene.

I totally disagree your punishment 3 years ago was big btw. It should have been many magnitudes worse than what Adelaide got for the Tippett debacle. It wasn't.

the piss has been taken

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Because the draft is meant to allocate players to teams in priority of need. It's not perfect but the ladder is seen as the fairest way to determine need. If a team's ladder position is artificially affected by an anomaly (especially sanctions from cheating), I feel the AFL has an obligation to intervene.

I totally disagree your punishment 3 years ago was big btw. It should have been many magnitudes worse than what Adelaide got for the Tippett debacle. It wasn't.

A team getting told your barred from playing finals after qualifying is not punishment enough?

 

[Jobe Watson]

Because the draft is meant to allocate players to teams in priority of need. It's not perfect but the ladder is seen as the fairest way to determine need. If a team's ladder position is artificially affected by an anomaly (especially sanctions from cheating), I feel the AFL has an obligation to intervene.

I totally disagree your punishment 3 years ago was big btw. It should have been many magnitudes worse than what Adelaide got for the Tippett debacle. It wasn't.

The team with all those players in it finished bottom 4 the year before.

The draft order is what it is. You can't pick and choose who to give draft picks to based on some sort of expectation of future performance. Freo were minor premiers last year and will likely be back in the top 8 next year after an injury-decimated aberration of a season in 2016, but they will most definitely "deserve" their top 3 pick.

AFL have already ruled out stripping Essendon of the #1 pick because quite rightly they feel as though Essendon as a club already received the punishment for the governance failures leading to the ASADA saga. If Brisbane want to get the #1 pick because they are a rabble on-field then good luck to them, but I would think they should be focusing on getting their shit together off-field first.

 

[Haso]

There have been plenty of shit clubs in the past who didn't get priority picks.

Pisses me off when your club ruined itself by knifing Voss now you somehow think you are entitled to one. Voss had you on the cusp of Finals. Now you suck you want handouts....The last time you got handouts you won 3 cups in a row.

Every club that has received a PP has brought their grief to themselves to a certain extent. How is that different from Brisbane's situation.

I totally agree that Brisbane has been mismanaged, with poor decisions made time and time again, since the early 2000s. How does that differ from the other clubs that have received one?

 

[Adz2332]

The team with all those players in it finished bottom 4 the year before.

The draft order is what it is. You can't pick and choose who to give draft picks to based on some sort of expectation of future performance. Freo were minor premiers last year and will likely be back in the top 8 next year after an injury-decimated aberration of a season in 2016, but they will most definitely "deserve" their top 3 pick.

AFL have already ruled out stripping Essendon of the #1 pick because quite rightly they feel as though Essendon as a club already received the punishment for the governance failures leading to the ASADA saga. If Brisbane want to get the #1 pick because they are a rabble on-field then good luck to them, but I would think they should be focusing on getting their shit together off-field first.

freo are totally different to ess!! apples and oranges lol!! one is smashed by injuries, the other brought it on themselves by dopping their players.... ess supporters remain delusional haha comparing injuries and age to cheating lol

 

[Jobe Watson]

freo are totally different to ess!! apples and oranges lol!! one is smashed by injuries, the other brought it on themselves by dopping their players.... ess supporters remain delusional haha comparing injuries and age to cheating lol

Didn't compare them.

You can't just change the draft order because it's the vibe. 34 individual players were suspended - Essendon already received their league punishment. AFL has already ruled out stripping Essendon of the #1 pick so Kochie's winge was for nothing really. If Brisbane want to apply for a priority pick, that's another issue.