Do you pray?

[Frodo]

i'm interested in this question. I pray at least once a day but I'm guessing that the majority don't.

 

[Mobbs]

After my own fashion, yes.

 

[Mooster7]

As Patton said, "Yes I do. Every God-damned day."

God and I are tight. We talk all the time. I don't "ask" for anything other than for other people. He comes through in magnificent form - for other people.

Nothing for me though. We just laugh together at the problems I'm forced to swim in daily. Then I kick those problems in the ass, and say "I'm done with that. What else you got? Bring it." Then we laugh some more.

Peace,

 

[evade28]

nope, not ever.

 

[otaku]

do you guys who pray have a history of talking to imaginary friends??

seems sad that grown people have to justify their existance to an imaginary being.

 

[Portia]

nah. why would I?

 

[Asgardian]

mmmmmmmm, I mention religious stuff a bit

"Oh god no"
"By christ that's funny"

etc, etc..............................

I talk with Thor, Odin, Balder, Vili, Ve and others quite often, ... , but no, I don't pray to anyone's god, I have no need, and in my youth, my needs were never heeded.

 

[mouldy_bread]

Originally posted by otaku
do you guys who pray have a history of talking to imaginary friends??

seems sad that grown people have to justify their existance to an imaginary being.

If that's what gets them through the day and it doesnt affect anyone else, then good luck to them.

And which imaginary being would this be? Just because God or a God does not exist for you, doesn't mean he doesn't exist for someone else.


It ****es me off when non-religious people belt into Christians and such, and act like their OPINION is FACT.

No one really knows for sure, whether there is or isn't some greater being out there, but as long as people don't try to push their religion on to me, I couldnt really give a flying **** about what other people believe.

Ahh, sorry.

I pray at least once a day

Is that why the Eagles are doing so well this year?

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by mouldy_bread
Just because God or a God does not exist for you, doesn't mean he doesn't exist for someone else.

either it exsts or it doesnt.

It ****es me off when non-religious people belt into Christians and such, and act like their OPINION is FACT.

just because i question someones beliefs doesnt mean that i am saying i am right. I stated my opinion on the subject.

No one really knows for sure, whether there is or isn't some greater being out there

There is NO proof there is a supreme being. If you wanna delude yourself, it is your choice.

(yes, your next answer will be " prove there isnt." WMD anyone?)

as long as people don't try to push their religion on to me, I couldnt really give a flying **** about what other people believe

I am not stuffing my beliefs down your throat. We are on a forum that invites OPINIONS. You dont like it, ignore it

And if you dont give a ****, why do you get upset when someone questions someone elses beliefs?

 

[mouldy_bread]

Yup

The last two paragraphs weren't in reply to you, just airing my opinion about religion in general.

 

[Generalissimo]

Originally posted by otaku
do you guys who pray have a history of talking to imaginary friends??

seems sad that grown people have to justify their existance to an imaginary being.

As far as I am concerned, God exists. No conclusive scientific proof exists either way, but the more maths and science I study the less credible I find the idea that the Universe is just some cosmic accident. Everywhere I look I see indications of design.

 

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by otaku
either it exsts or it doesnt.

Fair enough. And you don't know whether a God or gods exist or don't any more than a religious person (you believe there is no God, you do not know).

Originally posted by otaku
just because i question someones beliefs doesnt mean that i am saying i am right. I stated my opinion on the subject.

You should be more careful how you put things then. I refer you to your next line:

Originally posted by otaku
There is NO proof there is a supreme being. If you wanna delude yourself, it is your choice. (yes, your next answer will be " prove there isnt." WMD anyone?)

That pretty much implies that anyone who believes in a God is deluded, and wrong. That can easily be read as you saying "God does not exist, if you believe you are wrong.

I also refer you to a statement by you in a previous post:

Originally posted by otaku
do you guys who pray have a history of talking to imaginary friends??

seems sad that grown people have to justify their existance to an imaginary being.

Again, quite clearly a statement that God does not exist. The second linen on its own would be OK within your belief structures, however coupled with the first you are quite clearly targeting believers, and stating that you are right.

Originally posted by otaku
And if you dont give a ****, why do you get upset when someone questions someone elses beliefs?

You're not questioning, you're insulting people's beliefs. You can say "I believe you're all deluded as I don't think a God exists," however you're saying "You're all deluded as God does not exist."

Get the difference?

FWIW I'd probably say I lean toward belief rather than atheism, but I wouldn't say I pray

 

[RogerC]

Occasionally. If we're 5 points up going into time on kicking into the breeze, I've been known to raise the odd invocation.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by mouldy_bread

It ****es me off when non-religious people belt into Christians and such, and act like their OPINION is FACT.

No one really knows for sure, whether there is or isn't some greater being out there, but as long as people don't try to push their religion on to me, I couldnt really give a flying **** about what other people believe.

Ahh, sorry.

And it ****s me when christians/catholics come to my front door and try to make me see the 'light' of their bull****.

 

[Mobbs]

Originally posted by otaku
do you guys who pray have a history of talking to imaginary friends??

Yes, I do have. What's it to yer, Montgomery?

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Mr Q
Fair enough. And you don't know whether a God or gods exist or don't any more than a religious person (you believe there is no God, you do not know).

As i stated, there is no proof god exists, at all. Therefore, i have stated that god does not exist, and this fits perfectly with the facts..

That pretty much implies that anyone who believes in a God is deluded, and wrong. That can easily be read as you saying "God does not exist, if you believe you are wrong.

if you belief in something that has no proof of existance, does that not imply you are deluded?

Again, quite clearly a statement that God does not exist. The second linen on its own would be OK within your belief structures, however coupled with the first you are quite clearly targeting believers, and stating that you are right.

see above. I am right

You're not questioning, you're insulting people's beliefs. You can say "I believe you're all deluded as I don't think a God exists," however you're saying "You're all deluded as God does not exist."

Get the difference?

prove to me that god exists, and i will apologise wholeheartedly and without reservation. Until that time, i will taunt people, who in my estimation, are deluded.

FWIW I'd probably say I lean toward belief rather than atheism, but I wouldn't say I pray

well, what can i say??

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Generalissimo
As far as I am concerned, God exists. No conclusive scientific proof exists either way, but the more maths and science I study the less credible I find the idea that the Universe is just some cosmic accident. Everywhere I look I see indications of design.

If you have studied science and math, you should realise that the more you look for patterns, the more you will see them, even when no patterns exist.

This is definately where people develop their sense of there being a supreme being. It is their puny little minds needing to make sense of something that is too large for their imaginations.

Just because you dont know why something happens, there is no need to go making up stories about some all powerful being who can do anything.

If you dont understand something, have the courage to say "i dont know why". Dont revert to the whole "god is the reason" bollocks.

Now why should you pray to this mass halucination. It does no good, and is, in genreal, a waste of time.

 

[Generalissimo]

Originally posted by otaku
As i stated, there is no proof god exists, at all. Therefore, i have stated that god does not exist, and this fits perfectly with the facts..

There is no proof that God does not exist. Therefore I can say that God exists, and this fits perfectly with the facts. Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

if you belief in something that has no proof of existance, does that not imply you are deluded?

No. I also believe that the Riemann hypothesis is true, but there is no proof of that as yet. I would not say that makes me deluded.

 

[Generalissimo]

Originally posted by otaku
If you have studied science and math, you should realise that the more you look for patterns, the more you will see them, even when no patterns exist.

That's nonsense. I just look at the larger picture, see how perfectly everything works.

Just because you dont know why something happens, there is no need to go making up stories about some all powerful being who can do anything.

If you dont understand something, have the courage to say "i dont know why". Dont revert to the whole "god is the reason" bollocks.

I think that is uncalled for. When did I ever say that? I'm perfectly aware that I am ignorant of many things and that if I want to know something I will try to find it out on my own. I don't just wave my hands and say "God works in mysterious ways".
So far your entire argument has rested on an absence of data, and replying to things you wish I'd said. Don't put words in my mouth, don't insult my intelligence and above all do not sneer at my faith.

 

[skilts]

Don't pray at all.

Being an inveterate root rat, I prey every day.

To say there is no evidence either way on this question is to lose sight of the issue. It's not up to the non-believers to prove anything, they aren't making any claims. If you want to assert there is a god it's up to you to prove it. Nobody else is obligated to prove the obverse. It never ceases to amaze me that people think their beliefs are of some consequence. Worse, they think their beliefs should be 'respected' by others. Why? Come back to me when you're sure.

This topic/thread proves what I've always thought: There is no second sentence in the conversation which begins with, "I was talking to god at the bottom of my garden this afternoon."

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Generalissimo
There is no proof that God does not exist. Therefore I can say that God exists, and this fits perfectly with the facts. Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Why do you believe in this?

You have absolutely no proof, only someone else telling you that this being exists, and you still feel that everyone else has to respect this.

Why?

Until you prove god is real, i have every right to question you.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Generalissimo

I think that is uncalled for. When did I ever say that?

As soon as you said "I believe god exists"

I'm perfectly aware that I am ignorant of many things and that if I want to know something I will try to find it out on my own. I don't just wave my hands and say "God works in mysterious ways".
So far your entire argument has rested on an absence of data, and replying to things you wish I'd said. Don't put words in my mouth, don't insult my intelligence and above all do not sneer at my faith.

How do you think religion developed in the first place?

It was an attempt to answer questions that people had no idea about. This idea that religion actually has any basis in fact is obviously false. "how was the world made? ""i dunno,god must have made it".

And you say you believe in this? and i have no right to question your intelligence?

and if your faith is blind faith, i have every right to sneer.

Prove to me what you say is correct, and i will apologise.

 

[mouldy_bread]

Originally posted by M29
And it ****s me when christians/catholics come to my front door and try to make me see the 'light' of their bull****.

That annoys me too.. Jehova's (sp?) are the worst, no matter how many times you tell them you aren't interested, they still keep coming back for little "visits".

 

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by otaku
As i stated, there is no proof god exists, at all. Therefore, i have stated that god does not exist, and this fits perfectly with the facts..

There are no verifiable "facts" one way or another that point to either the existance or non-existance of a God.

Its along the lines of belief that alien life may exist. No proof that it does, none that it doesn't. For you to state that the "facts" prove your case is a fallacy (you're the one dragging scientific fact into this), as you do not have any facts one way or another.

Originally posted by otaku
if you belief in something that has no proof of existance, does that not imply you are deluded?

Not really. All science (other than maths) is reliant on theory. For instance, we cannot definitively prove the theory of evolution. There is strong evidence, I'll grant, but absolutely no way of providing proof (unless we develop a time machine). So if I believe in evolution (something with no proof of existance), by your logic I am deluded. OK, creation science here I come!

In reality we can't even prove a lot of what we call scientific Laws, as we prove things by experimentation, ie we do something 1000 times, and the results come out the same each time. By that we have reasonable evidence that that's how it will work in each case. But since we never did experiment 1001, we can't be 100% certain that that (or case 232,684,124,233 for that matter) would not have produced a result contrary to our theory.

This is like your "facts" that God does not exist. You have tested all the cases in your environment, and have found no evidence of God. However you cannot test for all situations and all circumstances in the universe, so you cannot be 100% certain of the non-existance of God. So in reality you cannot say "there is no proof God exists at all".

Originally posted by otaku
prove to me that god exists, and i will apologise wholeheartedly and without reservation. Until that time, i will taunt people, who in my estimation, are deluded.

In my opinion, you are the deluded one to not allow in any way even the possibility of a God. Effectively you're a fundamentalist in another way. Your facts are nothing more than a lack of complete evidence (which of course you can never get). I could equally validly taunt you for not believing, however there is no proof that in belief I am right or wrong, so it is wrong for me to do so. The difference between you and me is that I actually allow the possiblity that I am wrong. You have closed your mind without proof.


On another point:

Originally posted by M29
And it ****s me when christians/catholics come to my front door and try to make me see the 'light' of their bull****.

1) Catholics are Christians

2) You are unlikely to get Catholics at your front door. That is usually reserved for unusual sects like the Jehovahs. They annoy me as a sometime Catholic just as much as they annoy you.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Mr Q
1) Catholics are Christians

Meh, they're all the same to me.

2) You are unlikely to get Catholics at your front door. That is usually reserved for unusual sects like the Jehovahs. They annoy me as a sometime Catholic just as much as they annoy you.

I get more christians than them jehovas. Their local church, thankfully closed down.