Does anyone know how the list management/draft process works?

[well left]

I'd posted this in the Malthouse thread and got no response so I have decided to create a new thread to see if anyone can answer it for me!

I'd love to know how the exact system works in relation to list management and drafting. I would assume MM and his staff, in conjunction with Hine & Walsh, would undertake list management decisions and identify where the deficiencies are. They would then decide on who is to be delisted, traded and what current AFL players are to be targeted. Hine would be able to provide input on AFL players playing in lower leagues as his network would see players such as Thomson (and Wood last year) week in week out.

When it comes to the draft, I would assume Hine would be given some parameters on what we need and he and his staff would go away and try to identify what will happen in the draft and what players would be available at each pick. Videos of these players would then be shown to the coaching staff for their input. MM should have a say but the final decision at draft time would lie with Hine.

Would that be correct?

 

[Optimax]

A senior coach can and does over ride things, clarkson with dew last year is an example.

Your are right its the footy department that decides delisting and trade material etc, but once again the senior coach has the final word.

The drafting occurs as you were given, a criteria is set out and hine is left to do his job basically, but in a close race between two players once again the senior coach says i prefer him or whatever

 

[well left]

So from here on in through to the draft, I would assume that there would be several meetings between Hine, Walsh and MM where possible draft scenarios are played out and tapes shown on various players so that MM has a chance to have his say.

It'd be really interesting to see how it all played out and would make a good documentary I reckon. I know there was some list management stuff done in the Year of the Dog with Wallace but actually seeing the whole process instead of just the draft itself would be pretty interesting.

 

[Optimax]

They make a list of the order of player they want to draft (and yes they add on the geniune no 1 like this year naitanui rich and such will appear on our list)

They then cross each player off and read out the next player on our list whether that be a forward defender what ever, Hien explained this in a collingwood mag article last year or this year what ever.

When we took reid we actually wanted joel selwood but he was taken the pick before, and the list then seemed tobring us three KPPs instead of mids, i think its the best system as you are always drafting the best avilable and more often than not it'll spread into a kpp and then a mid etc.

Would love to see it played out in a doco doubt it would ever happen though well not from the clubs POV anyway

 

[DarkStorm]

HOW THE GEELONG LIST WAS BUILT

1995
Darren Milburn – AFL Draft (No.48)

1997
Matthew Scarlett – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.45)

1998
Tom Harley – Exchange period (traded by Port Adelaide)
David Wojcinski – AFL Draft (No.24)

1999
Cameron Mooney – Exchange period (traded by North Melbourne)
Joel Corey – AFL Draft (No.8)
Paul Chapman – AFL Draft (No.31)
Cameron Ling – AFL Draft (No.38)
Corey Enright – AFL Draft (No.47)

2000
Josh Hunt – AFL Draft (No.44)
Max Rooke – AFL Rookie Draft (No.41) – promoted to senior list 2002

2001
Gary Ablett – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.40)
Jimmy Bartel – AFL Draft (No.8)
James Kelly – AFL Draft (No.17)
Steve Johnson – AFL Draft (No.24)
David Johnson – AFL Draft (No.81)

2002
Andrew Mackie – AFL Draft (No.7)
Shannon Byrnes – AFL Rookie Draft (No.40) – promoted to senior list 2004

2003
Mark Blake – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.38)
Kane Tenace – AFL Draft (No.7)

2004
Brad Ottens – Exchange period (traded by Richmond)
Nathan Ablett – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.48)
Brent Prismall – AFL Draft (No.32)
Matthew Egan – AFL Draft (No.62)

2005
Travis Varcoe – AFL Draft (No.15)
Trent West – AFL Draft (No.31)
Ryan Gamble – AFL Draft (No.47)
Mathew Stokes – AFL Draft (No.61)

2006
Tom Hawkins – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.41)
Joel Selwood – AFL Draft (No.7)
Nathan Djerrkura – AFL Draft (No.25)
Simon Hogan – AFL Draft (No.57)
Liam Bedford – AFL Rookie Draft (No.23)
Jason Davenport – AFL Rookie Draft (No.38) – promoted to senior list 2007
* Tom Lonergan – AFL Rookie Draft (No.50) – promoted to senior list 2007

2007
Adam Donohue – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.60)
Harry Taylor – AFL Draft (No.17)
Dawson Simpson – AFL Draft (No.34)
Scott Simpson – AFL Draft (No.44)
Dan McKenna – AFL Draft (No.50)
Brodie Moles – AFL Rookie Draft (No.16)
Jeremy Laidler – AFL Rookie Draft (No.32)
Chris Kangars – AFL Rookie Draft (No.46)
Shane Mumford – AFL Rookie Draft (No.57)

 

[Optimax]

I said it on EBW aswell that just proves tanking is necessary to reach the top.

They had some luck with father son picks but otherwise it was smart drafting and thats it really. We sem to following a similar line smart tdrafting trade for important needs and otherwise keep playing to win.

 

[well left]

They make a list of the order of player they want to draft (and yes they add on the geniune no 1 like this year naitanui rich and such will appear on our list)

They then cross each player off and read out the next player on our list whether that be a forward defender what ever, Hien explained this in a collingwood mag article last year or this year what ever.

When we took reid we actually wanted joel selwood but he was taken the pick before, and the list then seemed tobring us three KPPs instead of mids, i think its the best system as you are always drafting the best avilable and more often than not it'll spread into a kpp and then a mid etc.

Would love to see it played out in a doco doubt it would ever happen though well not from the clubs POV anyway

Thanks Optimax. I knew about the list and think I may have seen Hine's article but was just interested on how they got up to that point.

Cheers for your help.

 

[M-Train]

They make a list of the order of player they want to draft (and yes they add on the geniune no 1 like this year naitanui rich and such will appear on our list)

They then cross each player off and read out the next player on our list whether that be a forward defender what ever, Hien explained this in a collingwood mag article last year or this year what ever.

When we took reid we actually wanted joel selwood but he was taken the pick before, and the list then seemed tobring us three KPPs instead of mids, i think its the best system as you are always drafting the best avilable and more often than not it'll spread into a kpp and then a mid etc.

Would love to see it played out in a doco doubt it would ever happen though well not from the clubs POV anyway

How do you know this?
Are you an insider?

 

[Optimax]

How do you know this?
Are you an insider?

Hine wrote an article about that draft in either this years or last year Black and white magzine. I am not an insider well not with the drafting.

But the process for teh last two years drafts Hine explained in that article, like the fact that he interviews every prospect even if they are likely to go well before our pick.

But yeah we definetly had hopes for selwood at pick 8 instead of reid but it just didnt fall our way

 

[Bigness]

HOW THE GEELONG LIST WAS BUILT

1995
Darren Milburn – AFL Draft (No.48)

1997
Matthew Scarlett – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.45)

1998
Tom Harley – Exchange period (traded by Port Adelaide)
David Wojcinski – AFL Draft (No.24)

1999
Cameron Mooney – Exchange period (traded by North Melbourne)
Joel Corey – AFL Draft (No.8)
Paul Chapman – AFL Draft (No.31)
Cameron Ling – AFL Draft (No.38)
Corey Enright – AFL Draft (No.47)

2000
Josh Hunt – AFL Draft (No.44)
Max Rooke – AFL Rookie Draft (No.41) – promoted to senior list 2002

2001
Gary Ablett – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.40)
Jimmy Bartel – AFL Draft (No.8)
James Kelly – AFL Draft (No.17)
Steve Johnson – AFL Draft (No.24)
David Johnson – AFL Draft (No.81)

2002
Andrew Mackie – AFL Draft (No.7)
Shannon Byrnes – AFL Rookie Draft (No.40) – promoted to senior list 2004

2003
Mark Blake – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.38)
Kane Tenace – AFL Draft (No.7)

2004
Brad Ottens – Exchange period (traded by Richmond)
Nathan Ablett – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.48)
Brent Prismall – AFL Draft (No.32)
Matthew Egan – AFL Draft (No.62)

2005
Travis Varcoe – AFL Draft (No.15)
Trent West – AFL Draft (No.31)
Ryan Gamble – AFL Draft (No.47)
Mathew Stokes – AFL Draft (No.61)

2006
Tom Hawkins – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.41)
Joel Selwood – AFL Draft (No.7)
Nathan Djerrkura – AFL Draft (No.25)
Simon Hogan – AFL Draft (No.57)
Liam Bedford – AFL Rookie Draft (No.23)
Jason Davenport – AFL Rookie Draft (No.38) – promoted to senior list 2007
* Tom Lonergan – AFL Rookie Draft (No.50) – promoted to senior list 2007

2007
Adam Donohue – Father/Son selection, AFL Draft (No.60)
Harry Taylor – AFL Draft (No.17)
Dawson Simpson – AFL Draft (No.34)
Scott Simpson – AFL Draft (No.44)
Dan McKenna – AFL Draft (No.50)
Brodie Moles – AFL Rookie Draft (No.16)
Jeremy Laidler – AFL Rookie Draft (No.32)
Chris Kangars – AFL Rookie Draft (No.46)
Shane Mumford – AFL Rookie Draft (No.57)

Bloody hell.....they hardly missed with a pick during that 1999 to 2004 period did they? 1999 was outstanding for them. Rarely would 4 picks in those positions yield such quality