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Nick Daicos like players win flags though, not well Harry Sheezels. You know that and I know that
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Does it take too long for clubs to rebuild their lists?
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You don't genuinely think Nick Daicos instead of Sheezel at North makes any kind of difference surely
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Imagine in the NBA if Boston Celtics had the same situation that Brisbane Lions had. 3 out of 4 years they get access to pick 1 for a few late 1sts and 2nd rounders. Theyd have a team of
White
Brown
Flagg
Tatum
Wembanyama
And then have 50 mill free in salary cap space to boot
White
Brown
Flagg
Tatum
Wembanyama
And then have 50 mill free in salary cap space to boot
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1000%.
I mean you just mentioned Finn Callaghan would be a game changer two seconds ago but Nick Daicos wouldnt?
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our board has already spent pick 2 so id say you're correct
the draft is compromised and the AFL won't do anything. with all the pick swaps, matching bids, FA compensation, academy rules, I genuinely don't understand it anymore.
I'm almost in favour of eradicating it completely past the 2nd-3rd round and just letting clubs sign leftover list spots as SSPs
I said the players around them aren't that much better or worse to make a difference and that Finn would still be there JHF isn't
You have had Harley Reid now for almost 2 years and just got flogged at home by 50 points to Richmond a team most thought wouldn't win a game at the start of the year,
1 player doesn't make that much of a difference if you miss all your picks from 15-40 to build a team
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Harley Reid isnt 1/10th of the footballer Nick Daicos is
Geelong at the weekend had 13/23 players who they drafted from pick 20 onwards and yet are magically a flag favourite:
Guthrie 33r/Blicavs 54r/Mullin Cat B/O'Connor Cat B/Miers 57/Stewart 40/Mannagh 36/Holmes 20/Humphries 63/
Dempsey 15r/Atkins 11r/Neale 33/Close 14r
Outside of maybe Mullin name me which of these 13 wouldn't be an instant B22 player for both North and West Coast?
Guthrie 33r/Blicavs 54r/Mullin Cat B/O'Connor Cat B/Miers 57/Stewart 40/Mannagh 36/Holmes 20/Humphries 63/
Dempsey 15r/Atkins 11r/Neale 33/Close 14r
Outside of maybe Mullin name me which of these 13 wouldn't be an instant B22 player for both North and West Coast?
So, presumably, you had 10 players selected between picks 1-19. West Coast had 3 of them on the weekend (Duggan, Reid and Ginbey). The other 23 were picks 20 onwards.
There's no doubt that the bulk of your side and capability will need to be built on players drafter from round 2 onwards, but you typically still need a good core of high end talent.
Actually no rest were pretty much all through Trade/FA:
Stengle/Cameron/Smith/Stanley/Danger/Martin only O'Sullivan and De Konining were taken by them before 20 and they were 11 and 19 respectively,
The issue the eagles have is they have been fairy poor in all parts of the draft in recent years 2019-2022 which will be harder to recover from
You're being a bit disingenuous because a host of them were picks between 1-19...
How so outside of Cameron and Smith, Dangerfield is 35, Jack MArtin and Tyson Stengle were both DFAs and Rhys Stanley has been a genuine plodder for a decade
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The 2019-2024 drafts have been poor in general. The young talent is just not up to it really. Its a big issue with the compromised draft situation. We are past the point of missing out on Luke Hodge and getting Chris Judd. We are now at the missing out on Nick Daicos to get Mac Andrew style of drafting (Gold Coast bid on Daicos who was matched so they got Mac Andrew)
Eagles are not the only team who tried to rebuild from the 2019-2024 drafts. Eagles/North/St Kilda/Essendon all have and have all failed. The top end talent just isnt available anymore so the difference between pick 4 and pick 20 just isnt all that much, if anything at all.
you didn't have first rounders or 2nd rounders for 2019 and 2020
You had a terrible draft in 2021 which wasn't a bad draft you just took the wrong players
2022 wasn't a great draft but still had enough around your picks to be good and you went the safe WA lads route
2023 you literally picked a KPF over Logan Morris the pick before Brisbane but could argue your 2nd pick shouldn't have been in the 30s like it ended up (Majority of them were F/A compo and Academy picks nothing to do with F/S)
2024 again was a super draft you had pick 3 and traded it for Owies who is shit and pick 15
Your list management has been dreadful and you are shit now because of it,
F/S has not put you where you are holding onto Nic Nat/JJK/Gaff ect and poor drafting has been your issue
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I dont actually believe Eagles is a good example of the rebuild issue. North/St Kilda/Essendon are in this conversation too
People keep saying North stuffed up this and that but they really havnt. They just had no senior players and the draft picks are just shit because the drafts are shit
If you want to do North im all ears
North have stuffed up massivly
They traded pick 8 in 2019 for pick 13 in 2020 Caleb Serong or Tom Powell ouch Charlie Comben the only one left from picks 31/34/35
2020 they had 5 picks 3 Phillips/13 Powell/36 Lazzaro/42 Spicer /56 Ford by the end of the year Powell will be the only one on the list
2021 JHF pick burns as does Goater at 22 and Bergman at 38 Curtis at 35 is very good though
2022 Sheezel great pick Wardlaw unlucky George bust (Could've had Sheezel and Cadman if they didn't add pick 1 in)
2023 Zane Duursma is currently the only bust in the top 10 next closest would be Read a developing tall, Dawson and Hardeman are showing signs which should help them
2024 FOS at pick 2 looks fine massive over pay for Whitlock which has already backfired as it will end up being a top 3 pick at worst outside of that they have nothing else that has played a game
Please tell me how that is them not stuffing up?
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No drafts aren't shit you need to hit on them to build your foundation then you trade in players around that case in point Adelaide,
Thilthorpe/Rachele/Curtin/Soligo/Michalanney/Worrell/Laird/Milera/Fogarty/Butts/Berry via the drafts
Keays/Keane/Hinge via DFA or SSP
Rankine/Dawson/ANB/Peatling via trade as top ups
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It took Adelaide 8 years to rebuild... Isnt that too long?
For 7 years the best finishing spot they had was 11th. They won a spoon and had 4 bottom 4 finishes.
If that is your definition of success then thats a tad sad no?
Adelaide ****ed there’s for the first 4 with guys like Chayce Jones Fischer McAsey ect
If you get it right it is a quick turn around see Hawthorn for that
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So we are down to 1 example only in the last 10+ years of football and your best example is a team that took 5 years to then finish 7th? I also think its a bit tough for other teams to bank on the mistakes of others that Hawks cleaned up on when it comes to Ginivan, Gunston, Barrass, Chol, Meek too. I mean Hawthorn have hit every metric and in 5 years they went to 7th. What does that say about what the others need to achieve?
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I’d rather have Sheezel than Ashcroft.
Darcy is a freak, but he’s played 40 games. He’s obviously going to be one of the best players for a decade, but I’m not sure what he would have done to improve North’s performance across the last few years, considering they’ve had Larkey who is a 2+ goal a game forward and an All Australian that whole time.
F/S and academy picks are an issue, but it’s not why North are struggling.
2019, Hawks won 11 games, Crows and North won 9.
2020, Hawks won 5 games, Crows and North won 3.
The Crows sacked Pyke in 2019, the same time as North sacked Scott. The Hawks had the disadvantage of waiting until 2021 to get rid of Clarko.
North were the only club of the three to receive priority picks.
You’d have to look at what those three clubs are doing differently before blaming the system if you ask me.
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It hasn’t taken us 8 years to rebuild. This is Nicks sixth year in charge. 2017 we made the GF, 2018 we missed finals, but kept Pyke, he tried to bounce back but it didn’t work.
Pyke was sacked, Eddie Betts, Sam Jacobs, Hugh Greenwood, Alex Keath, Josh Jenkins and Cam Ellis-Yolmen left. Andy Otten and Richard Douglas retired. That’s when our rebuild started.
For arguments sake, let’s use 50 games as the mark when players are about ready to start making consistent impact. That means that the players from the 2021 draft which is the 3rd draft of our rebuild will have only just hit that mark heading into the sixth season of our rebuild. If you’re doing a draft based rebuild which is generally the best way to go, it would be unreasonably to expect a team to be ready to go before then. We’ve been able to speed up our rebuild a little bit with the inclusions of Dawson, Rankine, Cumming, Peatling and ANB, but the core has still come from the draft: Worrell (2019), Thilthorpe, Berry (2020), Rachele, Soligo (2021), Michalanney (2022) and Curtin (2023). It really would be unreasonable to expect a rebuild to go much quicker than that.
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