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Someone who works at the club told me that when Bruce came off in the first or second quarter it was because he needed to poop.
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Airline food will do that to youNot sure if anyone cares but...
Someone who works at the club told me that when Bruce came off in the first or second quarter it was because he needed to poop.
And yet he still missed free throwsPractice, routine, muscle memory and repetition.
Any sport that requires accuracy, from golf to tennis to nfl kickers to basketball shooters, will tell you the same thing.
Steph Curry:
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Kobe Bryant:
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Imagine a sports scientist telling Bryant he wasn't allowed to shoot that much...
In the modern era, there has been a concern from sport scientists that "too much" set shot practising can cause injuries, hence why many players are stopped from going down the "thousands of set shots" path of improving their kicking.
Historically however, many players have proven that you can go down that path, and have a relative injury free career.
There are many involved at the top levels of the game today who disagree with the current recommendations.
I just don't get this belittling, dismissive outlook towards some ideas, just because they're posted on an internet forum - why discuss anything on here, when the experts supposedly have it all covered and shouldn't be questioned?
There's are quite a few posters, whether it be drafting, trades, selection, sports science, sport management that have some valuable info to offer on here.
And these people don't understand the world in a statistical way and/or do not have training in physical performance and sports science.
There's two points to this:
This is just an assertion that can be proven. I would argue there's very few players in the current professionalised AFL that have demonstrated an ability to significantly improve their goalkicking. Good goalkickers remain such through their career, as do bad ones. The ones who do improve is simply random (ie among hundreds of AFL players, of course 1 or 2 will appear to have improved. But say you flipped 100 coins twice, then repeated that 300 times. Out of that 300, there will be a couple in which you flipped 40 heads the first time, then 60 heads the second times).
I also believe that the construction of the AFL made goalkicking accuracy more important in the past, which is why you say "historically" but that doesn't necessarily apply to today.
For example, in 1987, a full 3.8% of St Kilda's total kicks as a team were Lockett's scoring shots. As such, the importance of Lockett's accuracy was a significant impact on St Kilda. On the other hand, Naughton's kicks for goal are only 2.1% of our total kicks as a team, making the importance of accuracy less important than what goes on in a game overall.
Just by that raw metric, the importance of Naughton's goalkicking this season is only 55% as important of the importance of Lockett's that year.
I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly.It's foolish to think that it's through that work that the difference in variation of 50% and 70% was just that. There's simply no evidence for it.
It's more likely that it added a couple of percent.
How do we know?
Because the literal difference between the best and worst current AFL players in the AFL don't vary anywhere near between 50% and 70%
I was around to see the twilight of EJ's career, and my Dad reckons that bloke could play anywhere, and star.Agree ,but hard to compare as Kelvin was often double and triple teamed due to playing in a sh*t team.
And Kelvin used to kick them from a long way out.Naughton is more like a Paul Roos type.Just Gold ..Can play any position and dominate that's why he is better.
Sorry but I believe every word of this is nonsense and you are also arguing points no one ever made to reinforce YOUR opinion.
Tory Dickson was an average footy player that was rated better DUE TO HIS GOAL KICKING accuracy.
We have bemoaned in here for the last few years how poor our kicking for goal is. There is no logical argument that says kicking 10-10 isnt far better than 5-15.
My brain hurts after reading that :-(Did anyone else notice that a bombers supporter made a post in our match day thread saying "we look cooked," or something similar? I'm not sure what to make of that. One possibility is that someone on our board has a second account with which they pose as a Bomber's supporter and troll their board and they accidentally posted from the wrong account. If that's the case it's a bit sad but also pretty funny. The alternative though is much more troubling. What if there's a Bomber's supporter with a second account with which they are posing as one of us and trolling our board? Could there be a mole on here - a deep undercover Bomber's fan? I've found myself regarding all of you with a deep suspicion, looking for cracks in the facade.
You're reading way too much into it if you think I'm trying to subtly undermine Cordy. (It's hard to know from your wording whether you were referring to me or to others).
FWIW I have no particular preference for either player. Like most of us here I'm just trying to work out what's the best solution we can come up with. At the moment it's a watching brief, especially since last night was the first chance we got to see all three talls (Keath, Cordy, Gardner) playing in the same defensive unit. Sounds like we might persist with that for a few weeks at least.
I also happen to think more people come gunning for Gardner than Cordy but that's just my perception. I haven't bothered keeping a tally. Clearly both are whipping boys at times.
1) there's a statistical basis to sampling and regressing to the mean. You can't selectively choose Bruce's kicking this season and ignore his last year, because he still is the same player.
2) Bruce has kicked multiple goals from the goalsquare (more than Naughton, think about the North game)
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Per shot charting the league average for his 12 shots was to kick 8 goals, given about 6 of the shots were less than 20m out.
In small sample sizes, some players take a much higher proportion of shots from the goalsquare, and others from outside 50. For example, Jason Johannisen has kicked 52.56 goals in his career. But being a running half-back flanker, for most of his career, a large portion of his shots have come from running shots at goal 40+m out. He could very well be around league average accuracy for the locations he's taken his shot.I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly.
The first attachment is across many decades, but there are multiple players above 70% and multiple below 40%.
Even in any recent seasons, there are many players well below 45%, and others above 75%.
And if the average goal kicking accuracy is 50%, it generally means that there will be quite a significant variance to both sides of that.
And I know Naughton is more likely than any other player in the league to take that mark in the first place.I know who I'd rather have with the ball in his hands.
Just about everyone who saw him play at his best would agree. Would even shade Wayne Carey, I think, but I'd take Carey for sustained performance over a longer period.Blasphemy, Kelvin is the greatest ive ever seen, a freak pre-knees
I wouldn't put Williams in that group at moment has not looked quite the same since coming back from injury, has a few more gears, preinjury he was elite, since coming back he has been ok, there is improvement to come from him.
Funny thing to me is that the other whipping boy of the backline, Cordy, DID play in a Premiership team, even kicked the first goal in our GF.Totally agree, dogs aren't winning finals or flags with him and Roarke in the side, no chance. Whilst Roarke wasn't the "worst" player yesterday, I think you'll be hard pressed to find any others who played the full game that did less than. Deer in headlights when he does get the ball.
Not sold on Hannan, but shows more than those two. Can Hannan play back? Couldnt be worse than Gards.
Does the main point not hold true? That accuracy can vary significantly?50 scoring shots is not statistically relevant.
I'm loathe to bring it up but is anyone else worried about Daniel's lack of physicality?
He was shrugged so easily by all and sundry last night as well as pushed out of contests with barely a second thought.
If he's going to be attending centre bounces this can't be happening as it will just create a revolving door.
I'm loathe to bring it up but is anyone else worried about Daniel's lack of physicality?
He was shrugged so easily by all and sundry last night as well as pushed out of contests with barely a second thought.
If he's going to be attending centre bounces this can't be happening as it will just create a revolving door.
I’m not thrilled with him in the guts just because of his sheer size but we may have to put up with it for now. The more interesting thing is Baz being completely cut from the centre bounce rotation and moved back to the wing.I'm loathe to bring it up but is anyone else worried about Daniel's lack of physicality?
He was shrugged so easily by all and sundry last night as well as pushed out of contests with barely a second thought.
If he's going to be attending centre bounces this can't be happening as it will just create a revolving door.
There's significantly more variation in the location that players take their shot from over a small sample than you would think.Does the main point not hold true? That accuracy can vary significantly?
And if one key forward kicks 17.33, and another 38.12 in the same season, I think it would be pretty relevant to the team involved.
Agreed that it’s mental, and probably fatigue and totally agree that we can’t compare stats of goal kickers in the past to now due to the amount of extra work they do. But these two factors are more reason why it’s so important to have a solid routine and a mountain of work behind you in training to look back on. No ones saying It’s gonna be the difference between Naughty going back and kicking 9.0 from all over the park but when he finds himself 30m out directly in front he’s going to be a lot more comfortable and reliable when he knows he’s been putting in the work and nails this same kick 9 in 10 times at training during the week. Right now you can see it in his face he has no confidence when he’s lining up for those kicks.A big part of goal kicking is mental and it’s difficult to recreate that in practice. It’s for the same reason top golfers still miss putts
Maybe the answer is not thousands of shots but working with someone who helps your mental game
To me it seemed that after a couple of errors/poor kicks, his confidence deserted him, and he made more use of handballs, and then with less precision. I was watching with my stepson [also on this board ], and (I think!) he agreed.I'm loathe to bring it up but is anyone else worried about Daniel's lack of physicality?
He was shrugged so easily by all and sundry last night as well as pushed out of contests with barely a second thought.
If he's going to be attending centre bounces this can't be happening as it will just create a revolving door.