List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[stallon]

Ashcroft struggles to kick more than 40ms but he doesn’t waste a kick

That doesnt mean he has an elite kick

 

[stallon]

stallon I tend to agree with most of your posts but Sharp’s hands are phenomenal. He has the strength to stand up in tackles in congestion, has the time and IQ to pick the right target and the skill to execute it. He has shown this time and time again at every level he’s played at.

His kicking is fine. He won’t be hitting NWM bullets but he’ll kick to advantage and won’t bite off more than he can chew. Smart footballer.

You are correct that Dev and Sharp would likely be competing for the same spot, but Sharp’s ceiling is infinitely higher.

I didnt say that Dev was better or even as good(at least in 2-3 years time anyway), only that they play the same role. Very similar traits/attributes

Agree Sharps disposal is fine, I was responding to someone saying his kicking is elite, which it isnt. Impact per disposal isnt something Sharp is known for, otherwise he would be ranked higher imo.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

That doesnt mean he has an elite kick

Are “elite” and “effective “ on the same dance floor?

 

[eaglevision]

I didnt say that Dev was better or even as good(at least in 2-3 years time anyway), only that they play the same role. Very similar traits/attributes

Agree Sharps disposal is fine, I was responding to someone saying his kicking is elite, which it isnt. Impact per disposal isnt something Sharp is known for, otherwise he would be ranked higher imo.

I know you didn’t, I agree they play a similar role but the way Sharp can play that role could be Josh Dunkley instead of Dev.

The part you bolded said disposal, not kicking which would obviously include disposal by hand. Sharp is an average/good kick, I agree it is not elite.

 

[Bender_]

This thread sux ay.

 

[archiemoses]

Is anyone concerned that CDT is 6ft7?

 

[ArdentEagle]

Is anyone concerned that CDT is 6ft7?

 

[HoneyBadger35]

This thread sux ay.

I’m the smartest one in the room.

No I am.

No I am.

Best part is, we won’t know until five or six years at least, at which point the same argument has happened for six new draft classes and those are what really matter stop living in the past.

It’s a beautiful system.

 

[Mattman93]

Also this post of interest on the Richmond board (unsure if this has been covered):

The Richmond List Management & Recruiting team went away over the long weekend to finalise their order.
As things stand, Richmond will sit and wait. Not interested in getting involved in any pick trades.
They believe the Bombers + Dees will fight over WCE pick 2. Unlikely to come off but they will give it a shake. Belief is Dees want Robey, Bombers want CDT.
Richmond will sit and wait and take whoever is left out of CDT + Robey and then take X Taylor with the next selection.
If WCE take pick 2 to the draft (which is a possibility, the eagles will then decide between CDT and Sharp.)
If CDT/ Robey/ X Taylor are available at our pick, I’m not sure who we select.
All I know is that after the weekend, we’ve got 3 clear names at the top.

I can’t believe we are overlooking Grlj given our current list dynamic- let’s hope there is a plan to bring some speed in over the next 12 months.

Stands in direct tension with what eaglevision posted, so, of course, who knows. But were these Richmond's intentions, god downgrading 2 for 5+6 would a must (personally I'd take Cumming and Grlj).

 

[Keys]

“If” the recruiters do there job. then no matter what the outcome staying with our current picks ,trading picks etc. we are going to come away with good talent. the extra rookie spots add more depth, which will help out things at wafl level.putting more pressure on senior lvl. hopefully turning to better performances across both levels.

There’s only a few outcomes that I think will genuinely piss me off:

• Missing one of Banfield or Evans because our lack of a sixth list spot meant we couldn’t match a bid
• Selecting Duff-Tytler AND Schubert- one or the other is fine but not both
• Sharp lasting to our 3rd pick and we select someone else
• Mildly annoyed if we draft Phillipou because of my tendency to irrationally dislike people who imo cross the confidence v arrogance line (a line which can also shift for no good reason depending on my mood)

Almost any other plausible outcome I’m fine with.

We’ll have Duurma plus some combination of two from the following:
• Duff-Tytler
• Robey
• Sharp
• Cumming
• Grlj
• Farrow
• X Taylor
• O Taylor
• Lindsay
• Schubert
• Dovaston

+ Match a bid for Williams or take a pick at, or just inside 30

+ Banfield and Evans

+ Best available with the first pick of the RD

+ Another mature aged midfielder

+ Walley or another mature ager

 

[eaglevision]

Also this post of interest on the Richmond board (unsure if this has been covered):



Stands in direct tension with what eaglevision posted, so, of course, who knows. But were these Richmond's intentions, god downgrading 2 for 5+6 would a must (personally I'd take Cumming and Grlj).

Hopefully this post is closer to the truth than the one I re-posted. 2,13 for 5,6 walk away with Duursma, Sharp, Cumming and a 12 month boner.

 

[txbyhull]

I’m with Keys on the not-Pou train. Already don’t like the kid and if we select him over any of the other guys I like, I WILL be extremely critical of the kid

 

[Keys]

Also this post of interest on the Richmond board (unsure if this has been covered):



Stands in direct tension with what eaglevision posted, so, of course, who knows. But were these Richmond's intentions, god downgrading 2 for 5+6 would a must (personally I'd take Cumming and Grlj).

Hypothetical:

Melbourne decide they really really want Robey and come to us with picks 7 and 8

CDT, Robey, X Taylor definitely off the board after Richmond’s picks per that post

Probably Sharp and Cumming after Essendon’s, unless they go Schubert (unlikely but possible)

We still trade for Carlton’s pick 9 so we now have 3 picks in a row to choose from Schubert, Grlj, Farrow and Dovaston with a small possibility one of Sharp or Cumming might be there.

Still have list space for at least one of Williams, Evans or Banfield with the hope the latter two don’t get bid on

Probably a step too far down in quality from pick 2 but an extra top 10 open pool pick is handy

Consider also that if we bid on the three northern academy kids first, that trade becomes pick 5 for 10,11 which doesn’t sound nearly as bad

 

[txbyhull]

Hypothetical:

Melbourne decide they really really want Robey and come to us with picks 7 and 8

CDT, Robey, X Taylor definitely off the board after Richmond’s picks per that post

Probably Sharp and Cumming after Essendon’s, unless they go Schubert (unlikely but possible)

We still trade for Carlton’s pick 9 so we now have 3 picks in a row to choose from Schubert, Grlj, Farrow and Dovaston with a small possibility one of Sharp or Cumming might be there.

Still have list space for at least one of Williams, Evans or Banfield with the hope the latter two don’t get bid on

Probably a step too far down in quality from pick 2 but an extra top 10 open pool pick is handy

Consider also that if we bid on the three northern academy kids first, that trade becomes pick 5 for 10,11 which doesn’t sound nearly as bad

I’d take 3 of Grlj, Sharp, Cumming, Dovaston, Farrow, Schubert, OT at that turn rather than CDT and whoever’s available at 13

 

[Barrybran]

Hypothetical:

Melbourne decide they really really want Robey and come to us with picks 7 and 8

CDT, Robey, X Taylor definitely off the board after Richmond’s picks per that post

Probably Sharp and Cumming after Essendon’s, unless they go Schubert (unlikely but possible)

We still trade for Carlton’s pick 9 so we now have 3 picks in a row to choose from Schubert, Grlj, Farrow and Dovaston with a small possibility one of Sharp or Cumming might be there.

Still have list space for at least one of Williams, Evans or Banfield with the hope the latter two don’t get bid on

Probably a step too far down in quality from pick 2 but an extra top 10 open pool pick is handy

Consider also that if we bid on the three northern academy kids first, that trade becomes pick 5 for 10,11 which doesn’t sound nearly as bad

How do turn 7, 8, 9 into one of Sharp/Cumming?

 

[txbyhull]

How do turn 7, 8, 9 into one of Sharp/Cumming?

By Essendon not taking them?

 

[Patron]

Hypothetical:

Melbourne decide they really really want Robey and come to us with picks 7 and 8

CDT, Robey, X Taylor definitely off the board after Richmond’s picks per that post

Probably Sharp and Cumming after Essendon’s, unless they go Schubert (unlikely but possible)

We still trade for Carlton’s pick 9 so we now have 3 picks in a row to choose from Schubert, Grlj, Farrow and Dovaston with a small possibility one of Sharp or Cumming might be there.

Still have list space for at least one of Williams, Evans or Banfield with the hope the latter two don’t get bid on

Probably a step too far down in quality from pick 2 but an extra top 10 open pool pick is handy

Consider also that if we bid on the three northern academy kids first, that trade becomes pick 5 for 10,11 which doesn’t sound nearly as bad

It situations like this that really makes you wonder why we didn't keep that 6th spot open.
There really is no flexibility to trade during the draft without sacrificing academies unless a club wants to trade an F1, which apparently few do.

You really nailed it with your post before about things to melt over. Realistically I don't think melbourne offer 7,8 and we probably wouldn't be that keen on it unless it was 7 and their F1.

 

[WCE777]

Hopefully this post is closer to the truth than the one I re-posted. 2,13 for 5,6 walk away with Duursma, Sharp, Cumming and a 12 month boner.

Dream draft and fill the most pressing needs.
Even though most think WC won't trade 2 & 13 for 5 & 6 if the 100% chance Sharp and Cumming get past RICH it makes so much sense.
Even if its slightly unders from a WC point of view we should be asking for a 3rd round pick to be fair, F3rd would be what I would be asking for.

The intrigiuing part is if the interest in L Pickett is real and strong enough that they want him as much as T Williams.
Both similar draft orders 30-35?
If bid comes before 37 then we will need 34 & 41 to match and get back around pick 50 back.
If it doesn't great, we can match.
If we have no interest in Pickett then Curtin around pick 50 would be a decent play.

Don't think Banfield gets a bid, otherwise WC intel would have them heading into the draft with a differnt level of spots available eg, Cripps to rookie draft.

 

[Patron]

How do turn 7, 8, 9 into one of Sharp/Cumming?

I wouldn't worry about 7 for that. There's four inside mids in that range or below Robey, Grilj, Sharp, Cumming.

Duursma goes pick 1. Locked away.

So at 7 you have a choice of:

• one of those 4 mids; or
• one of CDT, X Taylor have slid - which you then just take and laugh at getting them that late.

 

[WCE777]

It situations like this that really makes you wonder why we didn't keep that 6th spot open.
There really is no flexibility to trade during the draft without sacrificing academies unless a club wants to trade an F1, which apparently few do.

You really nailed it with your post before about things to melt over. Realistically I don't think melbourne offer 7,8 and we probably wouldn't be that keen on it unless it was 7 and their F1.

I think the reason is WC either don't rate 1 of the NGA's or the intel is that Banfield and Evans won't attract bids.
Seems they are more than happy to go with 5 players in the ND and not putting Cripps on the rookie list which would have been easy if there was a slight chance Banfield or Evans atract a bid.

 

[archiemoses]

 

[archiemoses]

Given all the strong and polarising opinions on players in this draft cohert, maybe it warrants a 2025 draft predictions thread where posters can go in there and post 1) wce draft predictions and 2) bold claims on one more players.

We can then re-assess and point fingers post draft night and long into the future.

 

[paran]

Throwing names of players who bare no resemblance to Sharp on and more importantly off the field. Beau is good on the spread and runs all day but he's size and pace combo hurts his rating. If he was from WA and not in the GC academy, he'd probably have missed the AFL academy and be lower on the draft boards.

Bit of a nothing post. I'd love it if Sharp hard more side step or tackle breaking ability to go with what he has - that would easily make his home pick 1/2. I pointed out a lot of pure inside mids that haven't panned out for one reason or another as the point. No guarantees. Traits matter as well as production.


Beau doesn't look slow in footage, where does that call come from? Averaging 30+ possessions at TAC level would typically.get anyone academy call ups.

 

[THE_GUN]

Dream draft and fill the most pressing needs.
Even though most think WC won't trade 2 & 13 for 5 & 6 if the 100% chance Sharp and Cumming get past RICH it makes so much sense.
Even if its slightly unders from a WC point of view we should be asking for a 3rd round pick to be fair, F3rd would be what I would be asking for.

In a deeper draft you would be correct but i think in this draft if i was Essendon i would rather keep 5 & 6 than trade up for 2 & 13

2 reasons first is i dont think there is a standout pick #2 that is clearly ahead of pick #3 or even pick#5
2nd reason is 13 falls outside the range of the tier 2 players

 

[dinnaz]

We dont need a specialist inside bull.

The game changers tend to be the more attacking mids, like Harley and Hewett types.

See North Melbourne. Doesn't work like this because the whole midfield are one way runners. They went after Hugh Greenwood for a reason. You can carry a specialist inside player if they are good enough.

Doesnt matter how many we've taken at the top end.

Itll be Harley + Duursma, Hewewtt is likely, and McCarthy should top up this high end ability section

McCarthy is an outside player & I wouldn't waste him in an on-ball rotation. Likely plays wing from now on though.