List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Elite Crow]

Mmm .....someone was .....been my signature for 6 weeks

Got in before both Curnow and Oliver became popular ......none of this Johnny come lately stuff

Cringeworthy

 

[Pdub]

Cameron McCarthy MK2

More like Ian Perrie MK 2 with that kicking action. I hope we don't take a forward who can't kick straight set shots.

 

[dylan123]

It didn't stop other players finding their way into the best 21, because they were good enough to demand a spot. Lyons & Grigg weren't (Kerridge wasn't even good enough to make the 22). Contrast them with Matt Crouch & Riley Knight - these kids were good enough to be selected in the best 21. Good kids find a way, mediocre kids get stuck in no-man's land.

Knight is a little different given he played a different role, had real pace etc. But yes, it does apply for Crouch v Lyons and Grigg.

Substitute players were not something new that the AFL introduced recently. They've actually existed for over 50 years.

• The first sub rule was introduced in 1930, with the introduction of a 19th man. Once replaced, players were unable to return to the field.
• In 1946 they introduced a second substitute, the 20th man. Once again, replaced players were unable to return to the field.
• In 1978 the interchange system was introduced - the first time that players were able to leave the field and return.
• The sub-rule as we know it now was introduced in 2011.

So, since the game's rules were first codified in 1858...

• 72 years without any interchange or substitution (1858-1929)
• 48 years with substitution but no interchange (1930-1977)
• 33 years with interchange but no substitution (1978-2010)
• 5 years with interchange and substitution (2011-2015)

The sub rule, much reviled as it is, is more traditional than the interchange.

Given we went 33 years without it, it was a big change up given how much the game has changed since it was last active. I really wouldn't be comparing much of what happened in the game back in 1930 to the modern game, irrelevant for the most part imo.

In any case, it hasn't held players back. Those who were good enough found their way into the side. Those who weren't either got stuck on the fringes or ended up back in the state leagues. Either way, they weren't a great loss to the game because they simply lacked the talent.

Of course it's held players back, they've played less game time than they would have otherwise meaning they've had less chance to prove they've been worthy of a position in the side.

Would be terrible for a players confidence playing as the sub, multiple times as well when you come in and out of the side.

 

[Vader]

Of course it's held players back, they've played less game time than they would have otherwise meaning they've had less chance to prove they've been worthy of a position in the side.

Would be terrible for a players confidence playing as the sub, multiple times as well when you come in and out of the side.

This is the key bit.. Good players found their way into the starting team, just as they have since time immemorial. It was only the mediocre players who found themselves on the fringes who found themselves constantly being selected as the sub. It didn't hurt their development - they just weren't/aren't good enough in the first place to push beyond the fringes and into the starting team.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Cheers mate.

Too bad about Francis not testing but it's good to hear that Milera did well in the repeat sprinting as he's currently the player I would like the most for our club.

Me too , he's exactly what we lack and will definitely be able to play in midfield with development

 

[Jeffcrowe]

There's continuing whispers on us connected with tall KPP

I like Himmelberg but that's too early, I'd go ben mckay in front of him at 13

 

[Jeffcrowe]

All i'd expect to get "some" games .......highly doubt Collins and Cole though .....tough role for undersized KPD's ....unless your Lever

Francis you'd say could play 8 games ......have to remember AFL is a HUGE jump for the boys and an AFL season is brutal on the unconditioned bodies of young players

Mckay and Oliver would be a great result, just not as sexy because they ain't South Aussies

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I just don't see Curnow anyway close to the level of Francis. Reminds me of Hodge.

Your question was, who was equal in flexibility remember?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Which players can we expect to play games next year? Hopper, Mills, Kennedy, Parish, Collins, Cole, Francis? Who else?

Dunkley , keays, white, hibberd

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Yep ..can certainly see why you said that

Re players holding the ball in one hand .....some to me looks like arrogance/showoff .....yet others like Himmelberg it looks more like self confidence .....each to view differently on that matter

Would certainly welcome any bid there

He's more a tom lynch role or even hendo off half back

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I like Himmelberg but that's too early, I'd go ben mckay in front of him at 13

Probably from a height perspective i agree ......depends on whether the club sees Ben McKay as purely a KPD or a KPF of the future

I've said b4 we won't take a KPD with either #9 or #13

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Probably from a height perspective i agree ......depends on whether the club sees Ben McKay as purely a KPD or a KPF of the future

I've said b4 we won't take a KPD with either #9 or #13

Height and style , good agility and ground ball and not great in the air

B McKay - yep he could be a forward , needs development but high potential

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Mckay and Oliver would be a great result, just not as sexy because they ain't South Aussies

Yep, any of those combinations are a great result ......depends on whether the club goes tall or mid at #9???

How would Mckay & Burton sit with you ? .......or Francis and Burton?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Height and style , good agility and ground ball and not great in the air

B McKay - yep he could be a forward , needs development but high potential

Given McKay dropped out this year to play with mates .....does that scream "go Home" ???

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Given McKay dropped out this year to play with mates .....does that scream "go Home" ???

Nup , screams lack of confidence and not sure of himself

Actually a plus that he considered himself not good enough but then developed enough in 1 season to be a standout

 

[tinman]

I just googled that for you, and apparently he's a town in Austria

Would be happy with an Austrian town at 13, but not at 9. At 9 I'd prefer somewhere warmer.

 

[premiershipvigil]

Your question was, who was equal in flexibility remember?

Sure I do.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Would you class Francis as 3rd tall material?

Any growth possibly left in him???

Severely doubt that any 18 year old would have any more than a few mm's left to grow height wise.

 

[Bicks]

Here is a summary of Draft Ratings of a few of the scribes ... I've included in what I could find without too much searching, but happy to add any other lists (or fix some I have in here) if anyone posts them. Also happy to change the criteria or the sort based on different variables that anyone thinks works better.

It's just sorted by a simple weighted average, so it isn't a very deep analysis

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<EDIT> added in some rudimentary weighting.
Sando / Buck / Anderson < Champ Data < Skippos / Nightmare

Any chance you can add in Paige Cardona's Mock draft Edition 3 to your spread sheet?
She's recognised as a good judge of young talent and has been doing her mock drafts for quite a few years.

http://footyprophet.com/paiges-afl-phantom-draft-edition-three/

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Nup , screams lack of confidence and not sure of himself

Actually a plus that he considered himself not good enough but then developed enough in 1 season to be a standout

This board has tagged players "go home" for much less ......apparently Harry has the outgoing personality and Ben is more reserved

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Any chance you can add in Paige Cardona's Mock draft Edition 3 to your spread sheet?
She's recognised as a good judge of young talent and has been doing her mock drafts for quite a few years.

http://footyprophet.com/paiges-afl-phantom-draft-edition-three/

Bicks she's been a very good Phantom Drafter as you say for a few years ......she's had quite a few "diversions" this year & not sure she's as in tune with this draft as previous years

 

[NTRabbit]

If we can draft Himmelberg, it could be the first step towards us also securing Jesse Hogan and Jay Schulz next year

 

[hey shorty]

If we can draft Himmelberg, it could be the first step towards us also securing Jesse Hogan and Jay Schulz next year

Have Brendan Goddard as captain.

 

[Bicks]

Bicks she's been a very good Phantom Drafter as you say for a few years ......she's had quite a few "diversions" this year & not sure she's as in tune with this draft as previous years

Looks to be a very credible summary of each players talent and about in line with most mainstream mock drafts I've seen, I rate her highly as do the young TAC players she has interviewed etc.

 

[Crow Envy]

I think we will draft best available and not needs, sure we need quality inside mids but if they aren't available at our pick we must go for best talent.

Going to be an interesting draft, this could go a number of ways