Recruiting Draft Watch 2020

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[Mootsy]

Who are our quality inside mids again??

 

[Keystone agony]

How so ? Sure there where some that did not make it but Ryder , Hurley , Hooker , Carlisle , Bellchambers where all very good. The reason it did not work out so well is hardly going to happen again. I would be tipping that if 5 out of this years KP players and Jones / Bryan end up being of similar quality we will be doing well in 4 years.

Very good? Or just good. I know the way id go and i think results speak enough for themselves

Having said that your probably right were probably going to be a fair side in 2023/24

In 2023 wont surprise me if Hurley, Heppell, Ambrose are still there for that year

 

[Old Campaigner]

Who are our quality inside mids again??

Caldwell maybe?

I don't think anyone who wanted KPPs last night is saying that we are well stocked with inside mids.

It's an issue of fixing the many holes in the list over a period of several years. We had a number of good KPPs available at our picks last night and we know next year is going to be very thin on the ground for them.

There weren't many mids of the type we need at our picks last night, and there's going to be plenty next year. It just makes sense from that alone to go hard at talls now and deal with the midfield and rebounding defenders next year.

 

[ant555]

Very good? Or just good. I know the way id go and i think results speak enough for themselves

Having said that your probably right were probably going to be a fair side in 2023/24

In 2023 wont surprise me if Hurley, Heppell, Ambrose are still there for that year

Very good. I will stick by that. For whatever reason all have had issues that has seen their form fall away but they all had A grade form in their prime. Who knows what would have been if the events of 2012 where different.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Very good? Or just good. I know the way id go and i think results speak enough for themselves

Having said that your probably right were probably going to be a fair side in 2023/24

In 2023 wont surprise me if Hurley, Heppell, Ambrose are still there for that year

Well I mean Ryder, Hooker and Hurley were All Australians at some point in their careers iirc so that's a fair indication.

Ambrose looks like he's on his last legs tbh, wouldn't be surprised if next year is his last.

 

[ant555]

Who are our quality inside mids again??

They are in next years draft.
They have finally realized the window is shut and they are lookin forward. No need for quick fixes now.

 

[faible]

Hurley and Ambrose have plenty of time left in them if we need

Both will be a surprise to be playing in 2023. So that’s two years to replace our tall defensive stocks.

Cox is also just as easily a CHF, or a Winger.

Brand (FB) + Reid (CHB) replaces Hooker and Hurley

Eyre (CHF) + Jones (3rd tall) gives us targets up front, plus Wright is only 24 if he makes it.

Cox is our Blicavs, could play basically anywhere.

We also added Perkins who would have played as a midfielder this year, and was pretty much the best rated midfielder available. Bruhn may be better, but hasn’t played a game in 2 years. Perkins is bigger, with no injury history as well, and a strong forward half impact.

We also added Caldwell, who was a first round midfielder who’s had limited opportunities.

We also know the 2021 draft is likely to be good for midfielders at the top end, and will run deep given all the undrafted guys this year will get actual game exposure.

All up Cox and Reid were clearly best available with our selections, the midfielders were very speculative, with Perkins the highest rated of the bunch.

Importantly; every single player we’ve drafted has an AFL standard tank, and is good overhead, both of which we desperately need.

 

[BombersDave]

Personally loved what we did and exactly what I wanted leading into it. There were no big bodied inside mids where our picks were that justified not going tall. When you look at the next 2 years and how strong next year's mids look plus trying to get an Oliver/Dunkley type and the Davey twins coming through, they should be hitting the senior team at the same time the talls are starting to come good so could be a great core of 15 players all playing together for a long period even if a couple of the talls don't come along.

 

[Old Campaigner]

They are in next years draft.
They have finally realized the window is shut and they are lookin forward. No need for quick fixes now.

Hopefully a few of the fans come to the realisation that the window is shut too.

A bunch of midfielders last night might have made us look a little better next year but ultimately leave our list in a terrible position beyond that.

 

[Dons4Life]

I was against taking 2 talls with our first 3 picks but the more I look at it, and also with the was the draft is shaping in 2021 the more I like the approach we took.
Dunkley may still be a possibility, and the draft seems loaded with midfielders. Maybe we have a FA we are looking at?
Anyways we need to be looking long term and not at 2021/22 as the goal.

 

[ant555]

I do realise that as i said we had the dominos in place. Hurley and Ambrose have plenty of time left in them if we need.

Its no wonder the best players in the comp are the front half players inwouldve liked 2 darts at that instead of the one

We drafted a bunch of Begley, Mutch, D.Clarke a couple years ago and have never been replaced. Add to that the loss of Saad, Mckenna, Fantasia and Heppell is as close done as Ambrose and Zacka is definitely as close as Hooker

I also question how much influence talls in the back half have on games

I also think Stringer is an extremelly viable 2nd tall and Francis 2nd tall back whilst Ridkey and Redman dont lack in size compared to Grimes/Vlastuin types they just need to get stronger which is where there 4 years behind those guys in age

Just my call i have a differing opinion to most now it seems however the majority agreed beforehand

Would seem to me you are looking for the quick bounce back.
So if we passed on what was in the KP pool this year with the picks we have who in the next two pools look similar ?
What strikes me about Cox and Reid is there have not been many of their size with the skill set and athletic ability they possess.
I was looking at 1 KP and two mid before the draft as being good but the more I look at it Cox and Read where just too good to pass on.
As far as what influence tall players have in the back half. If they have the same tools as Ridley and move and kick just as well but are 5 cm taller I would say massive. On top of that a few 200cm players to aim at when we kick the footy in would be nice even if they are defenders.
Anything can happen and even if only 2 of the KP kids pan out we will still have won.

 

[Keystone agony]

Well I mean Ryder, Hooker and Hurley were All Australians at some point in their careers iirc so that's a fair indication.

Ambrose looks like he's on his last legs tbh, wouldn't be surprised if next year is his last.

I have confidence in Ambrose to have 3 more years

Hes looked after his body as well as any and is already back with the group training, saw his name mentioned somewhere. Foot injurys obviously can not bode well and anither injury plagued year wont have Rutten champing at the bit to keep him after not seeing him for 2 years

 

[Old Campaigner]

I have confidence in Ambrose to have 3 more years

Hes looked after his body as well as any and is already back with the group training, saw his name mentioned somewhere. Foot injurys obviously can not bode well and anither injury plagued year wont have Rutten champing at the bit to keep him after not seeing him for 2 years

I'm not convinced. He missed a lot of games in 2017 and 2018, did well in 2019 and missed all of 2020.

The year he played a lot of games is looking like the outlier.

 

[Keystone agony]

Would seem to me you are looking for the quick bounce back.
So if we passed on what was in the KP pool this year with the picks we have who in the next two pools look similar ?
What strikes me about Cox and Reid is there have not been many of their size with the skill set and athletic ability they possess.
I was looking at 1 KP and two mid before the draft as being good but the more I look at it Cox and Read where just too good to pass on.
As far as what influence tall players have in the back half. If they have the same tools as Ridley and move and kick just as well but are 5 cm taller I would say massive. On top of that a few 200cm players to aim at when we kick the footy in would be nice even if they are defenders.
Anything can happen and even if only 2 of the KP kids pan out we will still have won.

Not at all

Just think weapons are those that can hit the scoreboard

Defense is less of actual personel and more so team defense

I also think you can find defenders later and develop

Henderson, Harry T played all year at what age?
The lions had Payne step in what did they give up for him?

Grimes, Harry T, Gardiner played as the 2nd talls you dont actually need to be that big. Kolodjashnij also did great roles hes no bigger than a Francis. Luke Ryan also dominated as a 2nd tall. Even Ridley is as big as Grimes

Hurley 2/3 years
Ambross 2/3 years
Francis
BZT
Reid/Cox
McBride
C.Brand
Eyre
Hooker
Bryan
H.Jones

Wright
Stewart
Stringer
H.Jones
Bryan
Eyre
Laverde
Cox/Reid

The after draft seems to have changed alot of minds. Maybe bias?

 

[Old Campaigner]

Maybe Ambrose does get on top of his injuries and get in a couple more years of footy, but with an injury history like that I think it would be extremely negligent to be basing drafting decisions with very long term consequences on the assumption he'll suddenly become healthy.

With next years draft being light on for KPPs it makes it even more important to start the succession planning now while the right players are available.

 

[Keystone agony]

Maybe Ambrose does get on top of his injuries and get in a couple more years of footy, but with an injury history like that I think it would be extremely negligent to be basing drafting decisions with very long term consequences on the assumption he'll suddenly become healthy.

With next years draft being light on for KPPs it makes it even more important to start the succession planning now while the right players are available.

I must admit i thought he played alot more in 2017/18

But my basis isnt on him at all, its on the above

 

[raskolnikov]

I don't really follow the drafting very closely so could somebody please tell me how the Bulldogs ended up with pick one?

 

[Old Campaigner]

Not at all

Just think weapons are thkse that can hit the scoreboard

Defense is less of actual personel and more so team defense

I also think you can find defenders later and develop

Henderson, Harry T played all year at what age?
The lions had Payne step in what did they give up for him?

Grimes, Harry T, Gardiner played as the 2nd talls you dont actually need to be that big. Kolodjashnij also did great roles hes no bigger than a Francis. Luke Ryan also dominated as a 2nd tall. Even Ridley is as big as Grimes

Hurley 2/3 years
Ambross 2/3 years
Francis
BZT
Reid/Cox
McBride
C.Brand
Eyre
Hooker
Bryan
H.Jones

Wright
Stewart
Stringer
H.Jones
Bryan
Eyre
Laverde
Cox/Reid

I think you've come to a conclusion and are cherry picking facts that support it.

Yes some KPDs have played well into their 30s. How many do that though? Not many. It's not something you can just assume a player will be able to do, especially when one of them is Ambrose and has missed more games than not over the last 4 years. If he does that's great, it gives Reid and Brand an extra year to develop primarily in the VFL with the occasional senior game as injury or form allows.

Yes some shorter players can effectively take on KPFs. I don't think you can conclude from that that Ridley and Francis can do the same. Everything I have seen suggests that while Francis is a solid unit he's not great at the physical contests. Maybe that's an element to his game that can be developed over time. Maybe it's not. For mine it's something to try and if it works out then great, but don't bet the farm on it coming off - which is what we would be doing if we didn't draft our next generation of KPDs last night.

 

[Megabattimus]

I don't really follow the drafting very closely so could somebody please tell me how the Bulldogs ended up with pick one?

JUH was their NGA kid and thanks to their trade period, they had enough points to match a bid for him.

 

[ant555]

Not at all

Just think weapons are those that can hit the scoreboard

Defense is less of actual personel and more so team defense

I also think you can find defenders later and develop

Henderson, Harry T played all year at what age?
The lions had Payne step in what did they give up for him?

Grimes, Harry T, Gardiner played as the 2nd talls you dont actually need to be that big. Kolodjashnij also did great roles hes no bigger than a Francis. Luke Ryan also dominated as a 2nd tall. Even Ridley is as big as Grimes

Hurley 2/3 years
Ambross 2/3 years
Francis
BZT
Reid/Cox
McBride
C.Brand
Eyre
Hooker
Bryan
H.Jones

Wright
Stewart
Stringer
H.Jones
Bryan
Eyre
Laverde
Cox/Reid

The after draft seems to have changed alot of minds. Maybe bias?

All of this is if you just pigeon hole this years crop as defenders. Cox has some proven forward form. Reid has some proven ruck form.
Secondly Cox and Reid are not your average KP players. You mention players like Kolodjashnij. Both Reid and Cox are as mobile and use the ball as well. The only difference is they are tall. If both these boys make it they will not be the run of the mill KP players. In defense both will have the scope to play on smaller players like Fletcher did.
It will also give us some potential marking power which we lack up the ground. They will not all be lining up in defense. In fact the plan with Cox is to play him up the ground.
I am not saying there is no risk. These guys have to get in the system and develop the raw skills , avoid injury and have the mental abilities to make it. The after draft has change minds because people can just see the raw potential of these guys. They can see if we get them right they are not your ordinary 200cm players.
As far as age goes. Hurley may well play for a few more years. Ambrose never plays a full year. Hooker will retire.
Then you have BZT who is still very much 50/50. In three years we will need these blokes.
If we draft the smaller players next year then we set up our list for a rebound in 4 years.

Let’s face it, there is a chance that 50% of the players you listed will not be there in 3 years. BTZ and Francis are not locks. Hurley and Ambrose will be gone. Then you have 7 or so that have not played. If even 4 of them make it we will have done well.

I think they have looked at the big picture well. Looks like they have a 3 year draft plan and have taken KP players this year as they look to be the best in the next 2 drafts.

I will Finish by saying by saying if Reid makes it you are looking at a 200cm Jordan Ridley

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Jordan Ridley

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

4.5

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

244.8

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

6.7

5star

T

1.7

3star

MG

265.4

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

MG

208.2

4star

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[naraku]

I'm fine with our pick's. Top 3 look exciting the other 2 should be solid players.

But out of curiosity based on Dodo's interview, I did wonder what he would of done if Hollands was on the board?
If GCS took say Bruhn, would Dodo still have picked Archie? Reid?
I'm pretty certain Cox and Hollands would of been picked up, just curious who the third might of been in that instance.

 

[ant555]

I'm fine with our pick's. Top 3 look exciting the other 2 should be solid players.

But out of curiosity based on Dodo's interview, I did wonder what he would of done if Hollands was on the board?
If GCS took say Bruhn, would Dodo still have picked Archie? Reid?
I'm pretty certain Cox and Hollands would of been picked up, just curious who the third might of been in that instance.

I agree. I think they picked Reid as he was best available at that point and could not pass on him. I am sure if Holland’s was there they would have taken him.

 

[ant555]

I just think it is a good strategy even if it does look like we are slightly loaded with tall options right now. With next year looking to be a strong midfield draft we can afford to go that way next year. It only becomes an issue if we go tall again.
I have been waiting a long time for us to have some resemblance of a multi draft strategy.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I just think it is a good strategy even if it does look like we are slightly loaded with tall options right now. With next year looking to be a strong midfield draft we can afford to go that way next year. It only becomes an issue if we go tall again.
I have been waiting a long time for us to have some resemblance of a multi draft strategy.

I think losing all those players in one year forced our list management to realise the window had slammed shut and all the trading and drafting for instant impact wasn’t going to open it.

 

[TheFrenchCut]

I know I am critical of the number of talls we've taken and now have, but one thing worth keeping in mind is the zone trial that's going on next year in the new VFL comp.

If it's successful, the AFL will look to incorporate it or a version of it in 2022 which would (theoretically) significantly improve the talls' impact on the game.