Recruiting Draft Watch 2020

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[Yoda_]

calder have quite a few talls including Luca alessio.
westerns best tall injured his knee while eastern and Murray no one outstanding.
northern apparently have a couple of good talls but I haven’t seen them.

Curious to see how we would go by >insert money ball name here< for two/three years. Few people seem to be suggesting that the 21 draft is going to be a midfielders draft. Interesting to see how our boys stack up when draft time (2021) comes around (Davey twins, Allesio, etc.)

 

[eth-dog]

Curious to see how we would go by >insert money ball name here< for two/three years. Few people seem to be suggesting that the 21 draft is going to be a midfielders draft. Interesting to see how our boys stack up when draft time (2021) comes around (Davey twins, Allesio, etc.)

Aren't they the 2022 draft?

 

[TheGrizz]

Yep, is also his coach at Strathmore

Sheesh, 2 davey twins and an Alessio makes for a nostalgic draft crop (and a club marketers dream)

 

[Yoda_]

Aren't they the 2022 draft?

actually, may very well be right on that one.


edit. Correct. 22 draft

 

[Zach Package]

It was a bit narrow minded on my behalf. We need more capable guys going through the middle. We simply rely on to few. The more you look at Darcy Parish for example he is kinda the anti Essendon sort of player where he can only play midfield good enough and no where else. A LOT of our guys are ample enough in other roles but not good enough as midfielders but we need that step up from c grade rotational mids to at least B's.

The sooner we can strip the list back and get rid of the dead wood the better. I am looking at Devon Smith, Brayden Ham, Tom Cutler, Matt Guelfi, Martin Gleeson, Dyl Clarke, Jacob Townsend.


Would any of these guys play in there preferred role at a top 8 club? I seriously doubt that. Obviously not all mids but you strip back these guys and fit in players that could actually rotate and have an influence as mids and we would be in a much better position.

It’s a ground ball game and Parish is a ground ball machine, I don’t see an issue with him.

I’ll give you Guelfi although I think he could be developed into something. Cutler and Townsend are crap but just doing what they are told. Gleeson does a job and Ham and Clarke are late picks and still babies in relative terms, to think that we could recruit Ham and then go ‘well, we have enough run now’ and rest on our laurels is laughable, likewise Clarke and ‘big bodied inside midfielders’.

Smith is an interesting one, forward or back he’s always pretty constructive and certainly in my best 22, he’s come to a club that sticks their nose up at the thought of applying any physical heat to anyone and really carried that can on his own for a time, in that regard I have a lot of time for him.

 

[Yoda_]

It’s a ground ball game and Parish is a ground ball machine, I don’t see an issue with him.

I’ll give you Guelfi although I think he could be developed into something. Cutler and Townsend are crap but just doing what they are told. Gleeson does a job and Ham and Clarke are late picks and still babies in relative terms, to think that we could recruit Ham and then go ‘well, we have enough run now’ and rest on our laurels is laughable, likewise Clarke and ‘big bodied inside midfielders’.

Smith is an interesting one, forward or back he’s always pretty constructive and certainly in my best 22, he’s come to a club that sticks their nose up at the thought of applying any physical heat to anyone and really carried that can on his own for a time, in that regard I have a lot of time for him.

All well and good to justify them but realistically and thoeretically we can only carry one, MAYBE two at a stretch. We really need to be upgrading 4 - 6/8 in our best 22. Obviously we can do that with how many were on the sidelines this year but I don't see why some of these guys should play.

 

[foj1]

what job does Gleeson do?
clarke and ham have done enough to persevere with.
I like Townsend‘s toughness especially when we project to be young next year.
we are in the unenviable position that our leaders all lack physical intimidation- heppell, Hurley, merrett, Sheila, McGrath.
i like the idea of trying to keep Townsend and Ambrose.
Richie vandenberg did a great job looking after hawthorns young pups before they became men.
we need to have a few strong bodies.

It’s a ground ball game and Parish is a ground ball machine, I don’t see an issue with him.

I’ll give you Guelfi although I think he could be developed into something. Cutler and Townsend are crap but just doing what they are told. Gleeson does a job and Ham and Clarke are late picks and still babies in relative terms, to think that we could recruit Ham and then go ‘well, we have enough run now’ and rest on our laurels is laughable, likewise Clarke and ‘big bodied inside midfielders’.

Smith is an interesting one, forward or back he’s always pretty constructive and certainly in my best 22, he’s come to a club that sticks their nose up at the thought of applying any physical heat to anyone and really carried that can on his own for a time, in that regard I have a lot of time for him.

 

[Zach Package]

what job does Gleeson do?

He does the same thing dozens of defenders of all sizes have done for the last decade, live and die by what happens further up the field.

 

[Keystone agony]

Just watched the WA state Game

Shannon Neale: (2020 draft)
Was extremely impressive, 202cm, 86kg great athlete. In my opinion he needs to be considered a top 20 pick. He's a ruck forward. Will take time. Moves extremely well and his ball use and decision making is elite for size. Also ran a 51.5 last year 400m for his size

Denver Grainger Barass: Was superb, saw alot of pill his way in a 10 goal losing side. His kicking, marking and decision making is elite.

Logan McDonald: Fairly unsighted, supply wasn't there. Barely noticed. Was in the 10 goal losing side.

Tyler Brockman: Wouldn't mind the 180cm, 80kg Half forward with a late/rookie pick.Great goal sense and decision maker going inside 50. We could do alot worse late. There is something about him. The query is his AFL role? Genuine half forwards aren't around much anymore. Tackling and defensive work not enough to question on for me just yet.

Jamison Ugle: An option as a later pick aswell. The Ugles are big family people he might be kept within the WA border. Very talented in my opinion better than Joel Western and a good size at 182cm recruiters will be thinking he could be similar to Brad Hill. Unsure on his tank for a wing?. His speed agility, kicking and decision making elite.



Matthew Johnson (2021 AFL draft).
In telling you this is the only kid we need to focus on for 2021. He's a 190cm big bodied midfielder who can kick goals and will fill out very nicely already 80kg. He looks to be a top 5-10 pick. WA clubs will be scrambling for him. He's dual sided and super in the contested and uncontested side of his game. Was in the best side so maybe wait for things to be going the other way a little more.

I didn't know numbers of players till after the game.

**Nathan O'Driscoll and Zane Trew fairly unsighted. Maybe I remember a bit of 17 Zane Trew. Also I only watched the last half.

 

[eDPS]

Just watched the WA state Game

Shannon Neale: (2020 draft)
Was extremely impressive, 202cm, 86kg great athlete. In my opinion he needs to be considered a top 20 pick. He's a ruck forward. Will take time. Moves extremely well and his ball use and decision making is elite for size.

Denver Grainger Barass: Was superb, saw alot of pill his way in a 10 goal losing side. His kicking, marking and decision making is elite.

Logan McDonald: Fairly unsighted, supply wasn't there. Barely noticed. Was in the 10 goal losing side.

Tyler Brockman: Wouldn't mind the 180cm, 72kg Half forward with a late/rookie pick. He looks heavier than 72kg. Great goal sense and decision maker going inside 50. We could do alot worse late. There is something about him. The query is his AFL role? Genuine half forwards aren't around much anymore. Tackling and defensive work not enough to question on for me just yet.

Jamison Ugle: An option as a later pick aswell. The Ugles are big family people he might be kept within the WA border. Very talented in my opinion better than Joel Western and a good size at 182cm recruiters will be thinking he could be similar to Brad Hill. Unsure on his tank for a wing?. His speed agility, kicking and decision making elite.



Matthew Johnson (2021 AFL draft).
In telling you this is the only kid we need to focus on for 2021. He's a 190cm big bodied midfielder who can kick goals and will fill out very nicely already 80kg. He looks to be a top 5-10 pick. WA clubs will be scrambling for him. He's dual sided and super in the contested and uncontested side of his game. Was in the best side so maybe wait for things to be going the other way a little more.

I didn't know numbers of players till after the game.

**Nathan O'Driscoll and Zane Trew fairly unsighted. Maybe I remember a bit of 17 Zane Trew. Also I only watched the last half.

McDonald had 16 touches and 2 goals, hardly unsighted

 

[Keystone agony]

McDonald had 16 touches and 2 goals, hardly unsighted

What did he do in the last half?

16 touches and 2 goals against guys that playing are around the 50-60 best players in the state. Wasn't a great game by any means.

As I said fairly unsighted last half.

I didn't go geez who's number 29 for yellow

Edit: The goal I did see was from 55m set shot which never looked in doubt. I must admit I didn't see to much of his 16 disposals

 

[eDPS]

What did he do in the last half?

16 touches and 2 goals against guys that playing are around the 40-50 best players in the state. Wasn't a great game by any means.

As I said fairly unsighted last half.

I didn't go geez who's number 29 for yellow

He kicked his 2 goals in the 3rd quarter

 

[Keystone agony]

He kicked his 2 goals in the 3rd quarter

Saw him kick one. Mustve just missed the other

 

[Harlequin Dream]

He does the same thing dozens of defenders of all sizes have done for the last decade, live and die by what happens further up the field.

Can't remember Ridley or Ambrose being embarrassed in the same way as Gleeson has been.

Defenders aren't in a vacuum but the quality of defender still matters.

 

[eth-dog]

Can't remember Ridley or Ambrose being embarrassed in the same way as Gleeson has been.

Defenders aren't in a vacuum but the quality of defender still matters.

He's a whipping boy for sure. If he was beaten as often as people have said this year you'd think he'd conceded 5 goals every game

 

[Zach Package]

Can't remember Ridley or Ambrose being embarrassed in the same way as Gleeson has been.

Defenders aren't in a vacuum but the quality of defender still matters.

They don’t, but the reality is that he’s steady and probably one of the last selected, not everyone can be a gun.

This board wastes far too much oxygen on complaining about him given he’s about our 50th biggest problem.

 

[Keystone agony]

They don’t, but the reality is that he’s steady and probably one of the last selected, not everyone can be a gun.

This board wastes far too much oxygen on complaining about him given he’s about our 50th biggest problem.

Off topic a little but I feel Gleeson's required now without Saad and McKenna

 

[foj1]

he is mediocre one on one with no physical presence whatsoever. Free agent with no bites at this stage. Do you wonder why?

He does the same thing dozens of defenders of all sizes have done for the last decade, live and die by what happens further up the field.

 

[foj1]

They don’t, but the reality is that he’s steady and probably one of the last selected, not everyone can be a gun.

This board wastes far too much oxygen on complaining about him given he’s about our 50th biggest problem.

gleeson is symptomatic of the medicrity of efc
he is not good enough, provides little competitiveness. Move him on. He is a list clogger. try a kid, try a mature age sanfl player. Try something that might be better.

 

[Keystone agony]

gleeson is symptomatic of the medicrity of efc
he is not good enough, provides little competitiveness. Move him on. He is a list clogger. try a kid, try a mature age sanfl player. Try something that might be better.

Are you delisting this year foj1

 

[Yoda_]

Are you delisting this year foj1

you would think so with Foj1 's history on the topic. It's not incorrect though, the points he brings up.

 

[foj1]

you would think so with Foj1 's history on the topic. It's not incorrect though, the points he brings up.

I think you have to delist.
the only argument you could mount to keep him is he is a ripping fellow and extremely well liked among the group.
but the way he plays gives no solidity and he isn’t the sort of player who can protect immature bodies because he is still an immature body at 26.
he is a free agent who nobody wants. That breaks it down to its essence.
‘they may keep to stop a bit of haemorrhaging but I thinkif he stops kids from getting a game we don’t improve at all.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I think you have to delist.
the only argument you could mount to keep him is he is a ripping fellow and extremely well liked among the group.
but the way he plays gives no solidity and he isn’t the sort of player who can protect immature bodies because he is still an immature body at 26.
he is a free agent who nobody wants. That breaks it down to its essence.
‘they may keep to stop a bit of haemorrhaging but I thinkif he stops kids from getting a game we don’t improve at all.

I'd love to see him rolled up to a wing or half forward. Started his career in the vfl doing that, but we never attempted it at AFL level.

 

[Scottie65]

Our first round pick and Adam saad for Patrick cripps... fair trade and he’s available for the right coin... they can at least try

 

[Yoda_]

I think you have to delist.
the only argument you could mount to keep him is he is a ripping fellow and extremely well liked among the group.
but the way he plays gives no solidity and he isn’t the sort of player who can protect immature bodies because he is still an immature body at 26.
he is a free agent who nobody wants. That breaks it down to its essence.
‘they may keep to stop a bit of haemorrhaging but I thinkif he stops kids from getting a game we don’t improve at all.

The only think I can think of for keeping him is the exodus of back half players we have already encounterd. Losing Saad and McKenna, question makrs on Redman (post groin OP) and the future of Francis if he stays or goes. At least Gleeson could be seen as an insurance policy.

I am with you, the sooner we can upgrade he (and a few of his mates) in the AFL side, the sooner we could see a change in fortunes and a rise up the ladder.