Recruiting Draft Watch 2021

[eDPS]

eDPS's 2021 Draft Rankings

Lore's 2021 Provisional Draft Order
Any issues with it please tag Lore in this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2021-provisional-draft-order.1251001/

 

[faible]

It's also possible that Dodoro doesn't have players he knows we can't get like JHF etc on his actual board. So maybe Rildey was the 8th best player he thought would be available to us. Ie for our first pick he has 6 blokes on the board we have a chance of getting etc, so technically Ridley is 8th available for us but not 8th best?

A lot of it also comes down to needs at the time too. If the 10th best player in the draft is a running half back, and we already have good running half backs, that player wouldn't be 10th on our draft board.

I'm sure Dodoro applies some mayo too, but each club would have a different list once you get past the 'too good to pass' players.

 

[Zach Package]

So you don’t see a trend? every player we get were very high on our draft board and miraculously slipped straight to us.

No, he doesn’t say that about everyone. He might say we rate them highly but will rarely comment with any specificity.

 

[BrunoV]

Assuming Dodoro is a reliable witness.

I've generally found him to be reliable.

If we had him at 9 we ain’t waiting at 30 to pull a trade to grab him.

It's not that difficult for the clubs to work out how deep a player they are into will fall / where he will be taken by the time of the draft. They know where the challenges will come from.

While I don't know the extent of the pre-draft dealings we had with Jones, we do know Jones was a fan and that Dodoro inherited a bias toward recruiting supporters from Sheedy. It's a pretty safe bet to say that we spent a lot of time with him.

By asking Jones who he was talking to, you can pretty quickly narrow down which clubs are a threat. If it happened that no club with a top 10 pick showed much interest the likelihood of him being taken in that range become extremely small (clubs do not draft players they don't spend time with and know inside out, as a general rule). So trading into that range for Jones would not be a consideration. You then need to look at the next range and cycle of all clubs through to your first pick.

Obviously you can't say anything for certain but even with a pick in the 30s you could realistically get intel which would identify only 1 or 2 clubs or picks which are a real threat for his signature with enough confidence to say, for example, to guarantee his recruitment we wouldn't need more than pick 30 (which was an upgrade of our 35 with North). The days break after the first round will really crystallise this.

If you look at the start of the second round for 2019 only Brisbane, Port, Adelaide, Sydney, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Melbourne and North had picks from 22 to 34. That's 8 clubs for 14 picks. The presence of McGuinness excludes Hawthorn in many ways particularly with the glut of picks North had in the second round (it's probably easy enough to deduce they would require Hawthorn to use that second round pick). I don't know the depth that we'd go into discussing players with North but the reality we jumped them and they took Comben suggests he was their man which we may already have known (because we might have been looking at Comben or Bryan with pick 38). I can't see why North would have let us jump them if they wanted Jones (as they would have know of our interest). It then becomes 6 teams and by this stage of the draft individual recruiter preference really kicks in. It is conceivable to me that by the end of the first round only Brisbane and/or Melbourne with a pick before our 35 showed interest in Jones and it did not seem to be a well kept secret that Brisbane traded 22 in for Robertson who was the surprise slider from the second round.

22	Deven Robertson	Brisbane Lions	Perth	WAFL	Traded from Port Adelaide; received from Carlton at the draft; received from Gold Coast at the draft
23	Dylan Williams	Port Adelaide	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League	Traded from Brisbane Lions; received from Gold Coast in 2018
24	Harry Schoenberg	Adelaide	Woodville-West Torrens	SANFL	Traded from Fremantle; received from Melbourne
25	Jackson Mead	Port Adelaide	Woodville-West Torrens	SANFL	Father–son selection (son of Darren Mead), matched bid by Sydney
26	Will Gould	Sydney	Glenelg	SANFL	Traded from Adelaide at the draft; received from Carlton (via Greater Western Sydney) in 2018
27	Jeremy Sharp	Gold Coast	East Fremantle	WAFL	Traded from Geelong at the draft; received from West Coast; received from Sydney in 2018
28	Josh Worrell	Adelaide	Sandringham Dragons	NAB League	Traded from Sydney at the draft; received from St Kilda in 2018
29	Finn Maginness	Hawthorn	Sandringham Dragons	NAB League	Father–son selection (son of Scott Maginness), matched bid by North Melbourne
30	Harrison Jones	Essendon	Calder Cannons	NAB League	Traded from North Melbourne at the draft; received from Melbourne; received from Fremantle
31	Charlie Comben	North Melbourne	Gippsland Power	NAB League
32	Trent Rivers+	Melbourne	East Fremantle	WAFL	Traded from Fremantle; received from Adelaide
33	Brock Smith	Brisbane Lions	Gippsland Power	NAB League	Traded from Port Adelaide
34	Jack Mahony	North Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	NAB League	Traded from Hawthorn
35	Flynn Perez	North Melbourne	Bendigo Pioneers	NAB League	Traded from Essendon at the draft
36	Elijah Taylor	Sydney	Perth	WAFL	Traded from St Kilda; received from Western Bulldogs
37	Keidean Coleman	Brisbane Lions	Brisbane Lions	NEAFL	Academy selection, matched bid by Essendon
38	Nick Bryan	Essendon	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League	Traded from West Coast

It's a helluva lot cleaner as a matter of hindsight, and would be pretty stressful on the night, but I am quite sure this is how it works.

 

[Keystone agony]

Draper and Sonsie are absolutely 2nd tier prospects to use your system

The reason i dont have Sonsie in that group is more so not needing a 180cm mid

If were grabbing a mid i hope its someone who offers something different to what we already have. Hes also not a clear in the 2nd tier like a Gibcus who we dont need either but seems a clear top 15 prospect and wouldnt get past GWS 15 youd think

Im not sure i can have Draper next to any of those tier 2 names

Its obviousily the way i see so it can be considered futile. No doubt who we pick at 48 was on the list at 17 no matter who it is

 

[Lore]

Do we have a source for Dodoro saying pick 9 for Jones?

I found the club article quoting Dodoro as saying we thought he'd go in the first round;

"Quite simply, we rated Harry as a first-round draft selection and when he got there overnight and missed out in the first round, we decided that we wanted to target him and get him to our club." Dodoro said on Thursday.

Pick 30: Harrison Jones

Exciting young forward Harrison Jones is now a Bomber after being swept up with Essendon’s first selection of the NAB AFL Draft.

www.essendonfc.com.au

idk if it was a different interview where he specifically said pick 9?

I've generally found him to be reliable.



It's not that difficult for the clubs to work out how deep a player they are into will fall / where he will be taken by the time of the draft. They know where the challenges will come from.

While I don't know the extent of the pre-draft dealings we had with Jones, we do know Jones was a fan and that Dodoro inherited a bias toward recruiting supporters from Sheedy. It's a pretty safe bet to say that we spent a lot of time with him.

By asking Jones who he was talking to, you can pretty quickly narrow down which clubs are a threat. If it happened that no club with a top 10 pick showed much interest the likelihood of him being taken in that range become extremely small (clubs do not draft players they don't spend time with and know inside out, as a general rule). So trading into that range for Jones would not be a consideration. You then need to look at the next range and cycle of all clubs through to your first pick.

Obviously you can't say anything for certain but even with a pick in the 30s you could realistically get intel which would identify only 1 or 2 clubs or picks which are a real threat for his signature with enough confidence to say, for example, to guarantee his recruitment we wouldn't need more than pick 30 (which was an upgrade of our 35 with North). The days break after the first round will really crystallise this.

If you look at the start of the second round for 2019 only Brisbane, Port, Adelaide, Sydney, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Melbourne and North had picks from 22 to 34. That's 8 clubs for 14 picks. The presence of McGuinness excludes Hawthorn in many ways particularly with the glut of picks North had in the second round (it's probably easy enough to deduce they would require Hawthorn to use that second round pick). I don't know the depth that we'd go into discussing players with North but the reality we jumped them and they took Comben suggests he was their man which we may already have known (because we might have been looking at Comben or Bryan with pick 38). I can't see why North would have let us jump them if they wanted Jones (as they would have know of our interest). It then becomes 6 teams and by this stage of the draft individual recruiter preference really kicks in. It is conceivable to me that by the end of the first round only Brisbane and/or Melbourne with a pick before our 35 showed interest in Jones and it did not seem to be a well kept secret that Brisbane traded 22 in for Robertson who was the surprise slider from the second round.

22	Deven Robertson	Brisbane Lions	Perth	WAFL	Traded from Port Adelaide; received from Carlton at the draft; received from Gold Coast at the draft
23	Dylan Williams	Port Adelaide	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League	Traded from Brisbane Lions; received from Gold Coast in 2018
24	Harry Schoenberg	Adelaide	Woodville-West Torrens	SANFL	Traded from Fremantle; received from Melbourne
25	Jackson Mead	Port Adelaide	Woodville-West Torrens	SANFL	Father–son selection (son of Darren Mead), matched bid by Sydney
26	Will Gould	Sydney	Glenelg	SANFL	Traded from Adelaide at the draft; received from Carlton (via Greater Western Sydney) in 2018
27	Jeremy Sharp	Gold Coast	East Fremantle	WAFL	Traded from Geelong at the draft; received from West Coast; received from Sydney in 2018
28	Josh Worrell	Adelaide	Sandringham Dragons	NAB League	Traded from Sydney at the draft; received from St Kilda in 2018
29	Finn Maginness	Hawthorn	Sandringham Dragons	NAB League	Father–son selection (son of Scott Maginness), matched bid by North Melbourne
30	Harrison Jones	Essendon	Calder Cannons	NAB League	Traded from North Melbourne at the draft; received from Melbourne; received from Fremantle
31	Charlie Comben	North Melbourne	Gippsland Power	NAB League
32	Trent Rivers+	Melbourne	East Fremantle	WAFL	Traded from Fremantle; received from Adelaide
33	Brock Smith	Brisbane Lions	Gippsland Power	NAB League	Traded from Port Adelaide
34	Jack Mahony	North Melbourne	Sandringham Dragons	NAB League	Traded from Hawthorn
35	Flynn Perez	North Melbourne	Bendigo Pioneers	NAB League	Traded from Essendon at the draft
36	Elijah Taylor	Sydney	Perth	WAFL	Traded from St Kilda; received from Western Bulldogs
37	Keidean Coleman	Brisbane Lions	Brisbane Lions	NEAFL	Academy selection, matched bid by Essendon
38	Nick Bryan	Essendon	Oakleigh Chargers	NAB League	Traded from West Coast

It's a helluva lot cleaner as a matter of hindsight, and would be pretty stressful on the night, but I am quite sure this is how it works.

I kind of did something similar except I was looking at Twomey's gossip from back in the day.

Draft watchers (including Twomey, Knightmare, Pie 4 Life and eDPS) had him going around pick 19/20 to either Geelong or Port Adelaide, mostly the latter.

Twomey's power rankings had Jones at 26 at the end of October (absolute rankings, not linked to any particular club), and his phantom draft at the end of November had Jones going to Port at pick 20 as I mentioned, but also linked him to Geelong (pick 19), Richmond (pick 21) and Adelaide (pick 24) if available at those picks based on whatever info he gets.

In the end, Geelong took Sam De Koning, Richmond took Thomson Dow, Port traded pick 20 to Carlton for Sam Philp, then Adelaide took Harry Schoenberg. Port had another pick at 23 that they used on Dylan Williams, then matched a bid on F/S prospect Jackson Mead with pick 25. Since we didn't have picks in the top 30 we weren't included in Twomey's phantom, so he wouldn't have had a reason to mention us or any news he had about us there

So of all the clubs that we know to be interested in him, most went for medium forwards or mids instead, and Geelong took De Koning (202cm swingman). Evidently didn't consider Jones to be a best fit for them and took either smaller or taller players, so he slid. But he was reasonably in consideration at pick 19 (the original pick 16 before bid matching).

Don't know if Dodoro and friends rated him significantly higher than the media experts & draft watcher people did, but it's not hard to believe they would have rated a KPF (need given Daniher request and other retirements etc), versatile agile endurance athlete (want) and childhood club supporter () pretty highly. If we had him around 15 or so that would be believable enough.

Besides all that, our original first round pick was pick 11 (the 'future first' we traded for Shiel in 2018) would be a factor. He might not even be lying, as 11 became 14 after GC's priority pick and a couple of bids being matched, and Port (who ended up with it) used it on Miles Bergman.

14 wouldn't be a massive stretch for a player tipped to go at 19 who filled a need, especially if no one better suited was available.

1. Gold Coast (priority pick)
2. Gold Coast
3. Melbourne
4. GWS
5. Sydney
6. Adelaide
7. Fremantle
8. Fremantle
9. Fremantle (bid match)
10. GWS (bid match)
11. Gold Coast - Carlton's original pick that Sydney were going to get for Papley and give to Essendon for Daniher
12. Melbourne
13. Hawthorn
14. Port Adelaide <- Essendon's original pick 11
15. Western Bulldogs
16. Geelong
17. Carlton
18. Port Adelaide
19. Geelong <- Twomey linked Jones
20. Port Adelaide <- Twomey, eDPS, others drafted Jones to Port in their phantoms
21. Richmond <- Twomey linked Jones
    
    <---end of first round--->
    
    
22. Brisbane (GC's end of first round priority pick)
23. Port Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
24. Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
25. Port Adelaide - bid match
26. Sydney
27. Gold Coast
28. Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
29. Hawthorn (bid match)
30. Essendon <- drafted Jones
31. North Melbourne
32. Melbourne
33. Brisbane Lions
34. North Melbourne
35. North Melbourne

 

[eth-dog]

Do we have a source for Dodoro saying pick 9 for Jones?

I found the club article quoting Dodoro as saying we thought he'd go in the first round;

Pick 30: Harrison Jones

Exciting young forward Harrison Jones is now a Bomber after being swept up with Essendon’s first selection of the NAB AFL Draft.

www.essendonfc.com.au

idk if it was a different interview where he specifically said pick 9?


I kind of did something similar except I was looking at Twomey's gossip from back in the day.

Draft watchers (including Twomey, Knightmare, Pie 4 Life and eDPS) had him going around pick 19/20 to either Geelong or Port Adelaide, mostly the latter.

Twomey's power rankings had Jones at 26 at the end of October (absolute rankings, not linked to any particular club), and his phantom draft at the end of November had Jones going to Port at pick 20 as I mentioned, but also linked him to Geelong (pick 19), Richmond (pick 21) and Adelaide (pick 24) if available at those picks based on whatever info he gets.

In the end, Geelong took Sam De Koning, Richmond took Thomson Dow, Port traded pick 20 to Carlton for Sam Philp, then Adelaide took Harry Schoenberg. Port had another pick at 23 that they used on Dylan Williams, then matched a bid on F/S prospect Jackson Mead with pick 25. Since we didn't have picks in the top 30 we weren't included in Twomey's phantom, so he wouldn't have had a reason to mention us or any news he had about us there

So of all the clubs that we know to be interested in him, most went for medium forwards or mids instead, and Geelong took De Koning (202cm swingman). Evidently didn't consider Jones to be a best fit for them and took either smaller or taller players, so he slid. But he was reasonably in consideration at pick 19 (the original pick 16 before bid matching).

Don't know if Dodoro and friends rated him significantly higher than the media experts & draft watcher people did, but it's not hard to believe they would have rated a KPF (need given Daniher request and other retirements etc), versatile agile endurance athlete (want) and childhood club supporter () pretty highly. If we had him around 15 or so that would be believable enough.

Besides all that, our original first round pick was pick 11 (the 'future first' we traded for Shiel in 2018) would be a factor. He might not even be lying, as 11 became 14 after GC's priority pick and a couple of bids being matched, and Port (who ended up with it) used it on Miles Bergman.

14 wouldn't be a massive stretch for a player tipped to go at 19 who filled a need, especially if no one better suited was available.

1. Gold Coast (priority pick)
2. Gold Coast
3. Melbourne
4. GWS
5. Sydney
6. Adelaide
7. Fremantle
8. Fremantle
9. Fremantle (bid match)
10. GWS (bid match)
11. Carlton
12. Melbourne
13. Hawthorne
14. Port Adelaide <- Essendon's original pick 11
15. Western Bulldogs
16. Geelong
17. Gold Coast
18. Port Adelaide
19. Geelong <- Twomey linked Jones
20. Port Adelaide <- Twomey, eDPS, others drafted Jones to Port in their phantoms
21. Richmond <- Twomey linked Jones
    
    <---end of first round--->
    
    
22. Brisbane (GC's end of first round priority pick)
23. Port Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
24. Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
25. Port Adelaide - bid match
26. Sydney
27. Gold Coast
28. Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
29. Hawthorne
30. Essendon <- drafted Jones
31. North Melbourne
32. Melbourne
33. Brisbane Lions
34. North Melbourne
35. North Melbourne

Hawkes were a bid match too

 

[doug85]

Do we have a source for Dodoro saying pick 9 for Jones?

I found the club article quoting Dodoro as saying we thought he'd go in the first round;

Pick 30: Harrison Jones

Exciting young forward Harrison Jones is now a Bomber after being swept up with Essendon’s first selection of the NAB AFL Draft.

www.essendonfc.com.au

idk if it was a different interview where he specifically said pick 9?


I kind of did something similar except I was looking at Twomey's gossip from back in the day.

Draft watchers (including Twomey, Knightmare, Pie 4 Life and eDPS) had him going around pick 19/20 to either Geelong or Port Adelaide, mostly the latter.

Twomey's power rankings had Jones at 26 at the end of October (absolute rankings, not linked to any particular club), and his phantom draft at the end of November had Jones going to Port at pick 20 as I mentioned, but also linked him to Geelong (pick 19), Richmond (pick 21) and Adelaide (pick 24) if available at those picks based on whatever info he gets.

In the end, Geelong took Sam De Koning, Richmond took Thomson Dow, Port traded pick 20 to Carlton for Sam Philp, then Adelaide took Harry Schoenberg. Port had another pick at 23 that they used on Dylan Williams, then matched a bid on F/S prospect Jackson Mead with pick 25. Since we didn't have picks in the top 30 we weren't included in Twomey's phantom, so he wouldn't have had a reason to mention us or any news he had about us there

So of all the clubs that we know to be interested in him, most went for medium forwards or mids instead, and Geelong took De Koning (202cm swingman). Evidently didn't consider Jones to be a best fit for them and took either smaller or taller players, so he slid. But he was reasonably in consideration at pick 19 (the original pick 16 before bid matching).

Don't know if Dodoro and friends rated him significantly higher than the media experts & draft watcher people did, but it's not hard to believe they would have rated a KPF (need given Daniher request and other retirements etc), versatile agile endurance athlete (want) and childhood club supporter () pretty highly. If we had him around 15 or so that would be believable enough.

Besides all that, our original first round pick was pick 11 (the 'future first' we traded for Shiel in 2018) would be a factor. He might not even be lying, as 11 became 14 after GC's priority pick and a couple of bids being matched, and Port (who ended up with it) used it on Miles Bergman.

14 wouldn't be a massive stretch for a player tipped to go at 19 who filled a need, especially if no one better suited was available.

1. Gold Coast (priority pick)
2. Gold Coast
3. Melbourne
4. GWS
5. Sydney
6. Adelaide
7. Fremantle
8. Fremantle
9. Fremantle (bid match)
10. GWS (bid match)
11. Carlton
12. Melbourne
13. Hawthorn
14. Port Adelaide <- Essendon's original pick 11
15. Western Bulldogs
16. Geelong
17. Gold Coast
18. Port Adelaide
19. Geelong <- Twomey linked Jones
20. Port Adelaide <- Twomey, eDPS, others drafted Jones to Port in their phantoms
21. Richmond <- Twomey linked Jones
    
    <---end of first round--->
    
    
22. Brisbane (GC's end of first round priority pick)
23. Port Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
24. Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
25. Port Adelaide - bid match
26. Sydney
27. Gold Coast
28. Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
29. Hawthorn
30. Essendon <- drafted Jones
31. North Melbourne
32. Melbourne
33. Brisbane Lions
34. North Melbourne
35. North Melbourne

I recall Dodo talking about taking Jones at 9 in the context of knocking back the swans offer for Joe in 2019. I.e. we lost nothing by not trading out Joe because we would have been happy to take Jones with 9 and we got him anyway. I believe this was said as part of the series of interviews he did with the club in 2020.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

I believe this was said as part of the series of interviews he did with the club in 2020.

Which featured enough self-aggrandising bullshit for me to not consider Dodoro a reliable witness.

 

[Lore]

I recall Dodo talking about taking Jones at 9 in the context of knocking back the swans offer for Joe in 2019. I.e. we lost nothing by not trading out Joe because we would have been happy to take Jones with 9 and we got him anyway. I believe this was said as part of the series of interviews he did with the club in 2020.

Ah right, the Carlton pick that they were going to get for Tom Papley, and which was used to bid on some f/s or academy players and then became pick 11, which Carlton traded to Gold Coast, who eventually drafted Sam Flanders?

 

[JayJ20]

A lot of it also comes down to needs at the time too. If the 10th best player in the draft is a running half back, and we already have good running half backs, that player wouldn't be 10th on our draft board.

I'm sure Dodoro applies some mayo too, but each club would have a different list once you get past the 'too good to pass' players.

Yep this. After the failed Daniher trade request, it's not surprising to see that Dodoro had Jones in the top 10.

 

[Lore]

Updated eth-dog and doug85;

1. Gold Coast (priority pick)
2. Gold Coast
3. Melbourne
4. GWS
5. Sydney
6. Adelaide
7. Fremantle
8. Fremantle
9. Fremantle (bid match)
10. GWS (bid match)
11. Gold Coast - Carlton's original pick that Sydney were going to get for Papley and give to Essendon for Daniher
12. Melbourne
13. Hawthorn
14. Port Adelaide <- Essendon's original pick 11
15. Western Bulldogs
16. Geelong
17. Carlton
18. Port Adelaide
19. Geelong <- Twomey linked Jones
20. Port Adelaide <- Twomey, eDPS, others drafted Jones to Port in their phantoms
21. Richmond <- Twomey linked Jones
    
    <---end of first round--->
    
    
22. Brisbane (GC's end of first round priority pick)
23. Port Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
24. Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
25. Port Adelaide - bid match
26. Sydney
27. Gold Coast
28. Adelaide <- Twomey linked to Jones
29. Hawthorn
30. Essendon <- drafted Jones
31. North Melbourne
32. Melbourne
33. Brisbane Lions
34. North Melbourne
35. North Melbourne

 

[doug85]

Ah right, the Carlton pick that they were going to get for Tom Papley, and which was used to bid on some f/s or academy players and then became pick 11, which Carlton traded to Gold Coast, who eventually drafted Sam Flanders?

Yes! Although I didn’t realise that pick did so much travel.

 

[Lore]

Yes! Although I didn’t realise that pick did so much travel.

Neither did I until I just looked it up haha. I knew that they were going to get a pick from Carlton for Papley (pick 9) but I hadn't put it together with that ridiculous bid bid trade thing that Carlton ended up doing in the draft that year.

 

[andleanback]

Yep this. After the failed Daniher trade request, it's not surprising to see that Dodoro had Jones in the top 10.

Yeah that was the folly, saying we would’ve taken jones with the Sydney pick anyway. If I recall Jones called dodoro after the first night of the draft and asked him to please take him the next day, and 8 picks happened before they made a move. I’d say it’s likely they rated jones around the 20-26 range and when he was still on the board after that they traded up guessing one of the clubs 30-34 would’ve taken him, likely Brisbane at 33 or someone else trading up.

 

[eth-dog]

Updated eth-dog and doug85;

Hawthorne still was a bid match for Maginness

 

[Zach Package]

Love the detail but I kinda regret bringing this up

 

[Lore]

Hawthorne still was a bid match for Maginness

Could've sworn I fixed that before I tagged you.

 

[Ants]

Yes I think Dodoro would tell us he was pick 9 on their draft board to make it sound better than telling us he traded up for a bloke he had 23rd on his board.

You’re unlikely to spend two second round picks to get a guy you rate #23.

I highly doubt we went to multiple clubs in the 20s and they all said no. Even where we were at the end of 2019, we were expected to build on a finals performance. So if late in the first round Jones is still available and we had him at 9, you’d try to do a f1 for pick 15-20 and plenty of clubs in that range were happy to trade in the futures market. Half the picks in the 20s were live traded on draft night so clubs were willing to trade.

You might want to recheck the actual deals. Port finished outside the eight, and gave up their F1 and #29 for pick 18. Brisbane gave up a F2 to move up one spot. Gold Coast gave up 2020 #11 for #27.

So it’s doubtful we could have got in earlier without paying way more.

He said we would have been happy to use pick 10 on Anthony Long in the 2009 draft. He was obviously lying then so there’s a precedent. I happen to believe him re Jones but I understand the scepticism.

I rate Dodoro as a list manager. I don’t believe what he says.

 

[Ants]

The reason i dont have Sonsie in that group is more so not needing a 180cm mid

If were grabbing a mid i hope its someone who offers something different to what we already have. Hes also not a clear in the 2nd tier like a Gibcus who we dont need either but seems a clear top 15 prospect and wouldnt get past GWS 15 youd think

Im not sure i can have Draper next to any of those tier 2 names

Its obviousily the way i see so it can be considered futile. No doubt who we pick at 48 was on the list at 17 no matter who it is

Sonsie is my preference of the likely available players as he brings top disposal, is a contested mid, goal kicker, and has one of the highest upsides. I think he’s absolutely what we need.

 

[andleanback]

You’re unlikely to spend two second round picks to get a guy you rate #23.

You might want to recheck the actual deals. Port finished outside the eight, and gave up their F1 and #29 for pick 18. Brisbane gave up a F2 to move up one spot. Gold Coast gave up 2020 #11 for #27.

So it’s doubtful we could have got in earlier without paying way more.

I rate Dodoro as a list manager. I don’t believe what he says.

I wouldn’t worry about the Gold Coast deal equation, they hand over picks for peanuts. They really wanted sharp so they gave a pick they were always going to trade. No other club does that deal.

 

[boncer34]

You’re unlikely to spend two second round picks to get a guy you rate #23.

I mean I thought it was obvious I was simply making a point, not that I was saying he was 23rd on our board.

 

[FlyingV]

How sick would it be if each club published their internal player rankings after the draft.

 

[Lore]

How sick would it be if each club published their internal player rankings after the draft.

Pigs might fly.

Would like to see player salary information published though. Or at least something a bit more detailed than the completely aggregated data that the AFL currently releases, like clubs’ TPP positions.

 

[Milanista28]

How sick would it be if each club published their internal player rankings after the draft.

Would be so awesome to see these lists.

 

[Keystone agony]

You’re unlikely to spend two second round picks to get a guy you rate #23.

You might want to recheck the actual deals. Port finished outside the eight, and gave up their F1 and #29 for pick 18. Brisbane gave up a F2 to move up one spot. Gold Coast gave up 2020 #11 for #27.

So it’s doubtful we could have got in earlier without paying way more.

I rate Dodoro as a list manager. I don’t believe what he says.

You say your unlikely to give up 2x2nd rounders for a guy rated at 23

But then state Brisbane did the exact same thing for Dev Robertson (They Probably rated him a bit higher than 23)

But you show with those examples you have to give up a fair bit of the future to get someone you really like