DT 2011 Forwards Thread

[Dunn - Well Done]

in regards to whether or not a supporter picks someone in their best 22 is still irrelevent i.m.o they could be biased against that player that they leave out

Im looking at it from a whole perspective (eg: not just one supporters thoughts the whole BF team poster thoughts). I never look at anything from one perspective in regards to DT, thought that went without saying.

for example i think buchanan is an absolute dud whether the brisbane match comitee agrees doesnt matter

i never suggested that hawthorn would pick smith purely because he was their first pick i suggested that the fact he is 22 and has something they lack makes his j/s i.m.o very good

Age still wont come into it, otherwise the oldest players for every side would play every week. Look at Callinan for example. He aint best 22 coz of age it comes down to performance and what he offers the team that someone left out cant.

and in regards to the players you mentioned rioli is more of a small forward with occasional bursts through the midfield,bateman is getting on and young is hardly durable

Rioli continues to get increased midfield time, with the new sub rule he will be required heaps throughout the middle.

Bateman sure he is 29 but still moving very well. Age doesnt always mean a player will die away especially at 29. Look at Richardson, B.Johnson, Boomer Harvey, Brad Green as recent old players to have almost career best years at 29+.

and the fact that smith is pretty much a winger also makes his j/s better

Thats a good point and you make a few good ones, but i just think right now he needs to show a fair bit to get selected. Id be playing Young, Lewis, Ellis, Bateman ahead of him at this current time.

Im not ruling him out by any stretch of imagination but make sure you look at the quality of the hawthorn side and than think to yourself "is he best 20" is he going to play every week or 80% of the first 10 rounds in such a strong side?". These are the questions im asking myself and ATM the answer is NO for both of them. This isnt even looking at the fact the forwards have 3-4 lock in rookie forwards other than him, so he may just not cut the mustard.

 

[DB10]

gamble will be very popular now i.m.o

was all over the ground getting cheap marks and kicks last night admitedly not a ton of it but still its better than him being a stay at home forward

I doubt he'll be getting all that many touches in the real stuff ... if anything, seems a good candidate for the substitute?'

also I hope Ross Lyon persists with Gilbert in the forward line. if he gets as few touches as that his price is bound to plummet by the time he moves him back into defence.

 

[weagles_fan]

Jarrad Grant? Your thoughts?

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I doubt he'll be getting all that many touches in the real stuff ... if anything, seems a good candidate for the substitute?'

also I hope Ross Lyon persists with Gilbert in the forward line. if he gets as few touches as that his price is bound to plummet by the time he moves him back into defence.

Your thinking is on the same page as me

Ive already penciled Gilbert in as an upgrade target down back. Stikilda will make him cheap by playing him forward than realise he is far better used down back, when they struggle to create link up and run. Just hope stkilda stick to this plan for the first 4-5 rounds of the year at least.

Thats also why i dont think starting to many back premiums. Lake and Gilbert both top 7 backs for sure when used properly and fit. So starting 5 premium backs IMO is too many and should be the max if anything. Starting 6 is too much and starting seems just right and very balanced. Whilst i see quite a bit of value in the midpricers of the backs meaning 3 premium backs could be a pretty good idea aswell.

 

[DB10]

that's exactly how I'm seeing things ... I've got four premium backs, a midpricer and two sub-200k players (I'm sure you can guess those ) but Gilbert is absolutely primed to be an upgrade target as he was last year.

how do you see Veszpremi? for now I have Knights in my forward line, but he is giving me the jitters with his niggles and lack of gametime early on. I have considered going to Veszpremi early on, I think he is more than capable of getting 70s in a Johnson-free Dogs forward line.

 

[Jobe3votes]

Crameri might be a good bench player, He may even start most games. Rumour has it, he will be elevated to the senior list after Andrew Welsh is put on the long term injury list soon.

 

[Big A]

I doubt he'll be getting all that many touches in the real stuff ... if anything, seems a good candidate for the substitute?'

also I hope Ross Lyon persists with Gilbert in the forward line. if he gets as few touches as that his price is bound to plummet by the time he moves him back into defence.

Been scouring the pages but don't post much, but that's pure gold. Makes me think outside the square, and forward. Have only thought forward with a somewhat ceiling thus far, such as say Presti or Smith or some random rook/injured player may get games later down the track, but the Gilbert example has opened my mind no end.

DWD, you are the poster here with the most value. Keep up the good work!

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Been scouring the pages but don't post much, but that's pure gold. Makes me think outside the square, and forward. Have only thought forward with a somewhat ceiling thus far, such as say Presti or Smith or some random rook/injured player may get games later down the track, but the Gilbert example has opened my mind no end.

DWD, you are the poster here with the most value. Keep up the good work!

Thankyou, appreciate and all the others im receiving

 

[Big A]

Thankyou, appreciate and all the others im receiving

Ok, getting the brass band out while we're at it?

 

[Blues_FC]

Thankyou, appreciate and all the others im receiving

Yeah, you do okay for someone educated at a "special" school.

 

[Blues_FC]

Thankyou, appreciate and all the others im receiving

Yeah, you do okay for someone educated at a "special" school.

You might also want to google a little something called "NPD" or narcissistic personality disorder for us.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Mate your a hack at best. Please stop speaking.

 

[Blues_FC]

Mate your a hack at best. Please stop speaking.

Maybe if you do one of your magical little dance routines, I'll just disappear?

 

[Lakey91]

DWD, you are the poster here with the most value. Keep up the good work!

Isn't that lovely...

 

[MT_report]

that's exactly how I'm seeing things ... I've got four premium backs, a midpricer and two sub-200k players (I'm sure you can guess those ) but Gilbert is absolutely primed to be an upgrade target as he was last year.

how do you see Veszpremi? for now I have Knights in my forward line, but he is giving me the jitters with his niggles and lack of gametime early on. I have considered going to Veszpremi early on, I think he is more than capable of getting 70s in a Johnson-free Dogs forward line.

I've had Knights in my team for like the last 2 weeks. Finally smartened up and gone another path.

 

[DB10]

yeah, I'm really wavering from Knights. he has massive upside - easily capable of having big games with his goal kicking ability as an outside mid/HFF'er - but the injury risk and lack of pre-season game time is really throwing him out of my side. Crows are obviously nursing him through and taking no chances with him.

interested to hear thoughts on Veszpremi though.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

yeah, I'm really wavering from Knights. he has massive upside - easily capable of having big games with his goal kicking ability as an outside mid/HFF'er - but the injury risk and lack of pre-season game time is really throwing him out of my side. Crows are obviously nursing him through and taking no chances with him.

interested to hear thoughts on Veszpremi though.

The question that you need to ask yourself is this

If Neil Craig comes out and says Knights is 100% fit and ready to go and is named in the starting 18 for round 1 at 220k will you be able to leave him out??

likely occurrence i reckon

 

[Activ8]

The question that you need to ask yourself is this

If Neil Craig comes out and says Knights is 100% fit and ready to go and is named in the starting 18 for round 1 at 220k will you be able to leave him out??

likely occurrence i reckon

I think Knights is a risk that could pay off. Something to take into consideration is that Adelaide have a bye in rd 2 which could help keep him on the park but it could also delay the inevitable upgrade.

 

[Blues_FC]

I think Knights is a risk that could pay off. Something to take into consideration is that Adelaide have a bye in rd 2 which could help keep him on the park but it could also delay the inevitable upgrade.

At this stage (given Knights' round 2 bye) I will be leaving him out of my initial side. If last year is anything to go by, one of the most popular FWD picks will go down with a long term injury (read: Riewoldt) early in the season. If Knights is doing well at that stage, and seems injury free, then I would consider trading an injured (or underperforming) FWD for him.

I was definitely on the Knights train until he had a soft tissue injury in the preseason. That was the slap in the face that I needed to remind me that he's severely discounted FOR A REASON!

 

[Peachyyyy]

At this stage (given Knights' round 2 bye) I will be leaving him out of my initial side. If last year is anything to go by, one of the most popular FWD picks will go down with a long term injury (read: Riewoldt) early in the season. If Knights is doing well at that stage, and seems injury free, then I would consider trading an injured (or underperforming) FWD for him.

I was definitely on the Knights train until he had a soft tissue injury in the preseason. That was the slap in the face that I needed to remind me that he's severely discounted FOR A REASON!

100% agree......players coming back from injury who suffer soft tissue injuries in the pre season don't look good for the long season ahead!

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Potentially his 1st game could be round 3 than. I hadnt looked at his byes. Similar case to Petrie maybe, even than he has doubts over his scoring is still priced at around 55, so he needs to hit 75+ to be any good selection and with his poor preseason and avg side IMO, i cant see him doing that well. Also crows game style last year didnt lend itself to there forwards to well (Porpz, Tippett, Walker, Burton).

Risk outways the reward for me.

 

[DB10]

on the flipside he'll probably drop in price quite a fair bit, and is a decent downgrade option as the season wears on and he gets his fitness up.

 

[RichieRich]

how do you guys think Daniel Motlop will go this year?

 

[AJP123]

Hi everyone,

I'm having trouble picking a mid-high priced forward. At the moment I've got Franklin, Didak, Pavlich, N Riewoldt, Krakouer, Prestia, Matera, Richardson and Smith, with Mzungu as a DPP link in the mids. I'm thinking maybe Sylvia (inconsistent?) or Higgins (injury-prone). I was tempted by Knights and Gamble, but the former seems far too niggly for my liking, and the latter is overrated. Chappy's niggles are making him unattractive, too, and Callinan got injured today

Any thoughts?

 

[Ess_don]

Either Zaharakis or Duncan. Both should be good midpricers who has a chance of turning into a keeper or at least a decent enough 7th fwd..

But I cant decide which, as both will be given midfield time.
Duncan has the advantage of having a better team around him to boost his scores, but in saying that his JS is much lower than Zaha who is a definite lock in our best 18 every week..

Personally, gone with Zaha atm (prob biased) but the extra $$ Duncan brings in and his impressive NAB cup score (indicating a higher ceiling as opposed to Zaha who hasnt really posted a massive score yet) is tempting me.

And we havent had a look at Fyfe yet.. watch him rip it up this weekend and giving us a bigger headache!