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Tim Watson on SEN this morning, spoke of Jobe feeling confident and relaxed, in that the boys had taken nothing illegal and will be cleared. Also again reinforced that the "waiver" was a consent form, stating that the supplements were ASADA and WADA approved.
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Let's hope all the guys are able to focus through this....
Again, even if the 'all clear' comes back... why the hell were we even sailing this close to the wind?!!!
So frustrated that its going to take at least 6 months to get this unravelled.. lets hope the boys push through it and still put the performance out on the park..
Again, even if the 'all clear' comes back... why the hell were we even sailing this close to the wind?!!!
So frustrated that its going to take at least 6 months to get this unravelled.. lets hope the boys push through it and still put the performance out on the park..
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Unfortunately its the way of the future. Sports science will only get bigger as teams look for every last ounce of growth.
Anyone know if they've already started DNA testing for recruiting?
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I know the term waiver is being thrown around a lot and should actually read consent form, but has anybody other than sleepy kyle actually called it a waiver?
Is this something that journos have been using just because he mentioned it? I'm inclined to think that he would have had to ask someone what waiver meant and was told to use the term by someone (looking at you, CARLTON)
Is this something that journos have been using just because he mentioned it? I'm inclined to think that he would have had to ask someone what waiver meant and was told to use the term by someone (looking at you, CARLTON)
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I bet rat Damien Barrett made sure little Kyle called it a waiver.
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Kyle: We had to sign a form before we took any injections
Barrett: You mean, a waiver
Kyle: Yeah, something like that.
Can easily see it going down like that.
Barrett: You mean, a waiver
Kyle: Yeah, something like that.
Can easily see it going down like that.
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Lol anyone see the ads during the cricket?
"DEAN ROBINSON BREAKS HIS SILENCE OVER THE BOMBERS SCANDAL" *cue vision with Ch9 Exlusive plastered over the screen". Report starts. The Weapon: "No Comment".
Good one Channel 9, brilliant investigative journalism.
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That seems to be it.
Somebody tipped me off a few weeks back that a certain someone else (not Dank) was being investigated by Vic Police for distribution.
I didn't know what to think at the time, but it would make sense that the club was alerted of Dank's alleged investigation and freaked out (understandably).
I genuinely think that's the case, and really, really hope it is.
There is generally a complete misunderstanding about the motivation of illicit drugs policy. It operates for a very different reason to that of an anti-doping program.
A sporting body is completely entitled to monitor players for the use of performance enhancing drugs to ensure that the integrity of the sport remains intact. This is not integrity in the petty sense of the "drugs are bad" type arguments or even that the drugs are illegal (although it is probably significant to point out that illegality of performance enhancing drugs is also tied up with potential danger to users). Integrity in this sense is about ensuring the purity of the competition between the athletes so that a result rewards natural skill and ability combined with hard work and knowledge...it prevents cheating.
The illicit drugs policy, assuming that everyone continues to be satisfied that illicit drugs are not performance enhancing, can really only operate on two levels. The first is for the welfare of the players (this is at the individual level and also at a cultural level) and the second is if a sporting body such as the AFL wants to take responsibility for confronting a social issue (which probably gets tied up with protecting the image of the sport).
It is not like a situation where a professional on a mine site or flying or even operating in the military must pass a drug test. The reason these professionals have to pass drug tests is because the safety of their compatriots is jeopardized if their thinking or performance is impeded. It isn't about the illegality of the drugs, we know this because these men and women also get tested for the presence of alcohol in their blood and will be prevented from working if they are using prescribed and legitimate drugs which would impair their ability to operate machinery (for example).
Though the AFL might want to drive social change it doesn't have the right to subject the players to additional scrutiny for decisions they make in their guise as private citizens which have no impact on the safety of their teammates and/or the integrity of the competition. The bow between AFL player drug use and danger to teammates is so long that it cannot be distinguished from the use of drugs by Joe Average. This is why the AFLPA's input was sought.
The outcome is that the illicit drugs policy balances the welfare of the players (i.e. counselling/rehab) with the desire of the AFL to confront the issue of drugs in society which is why, ultimately, if you continue to use you will get punished but not abandoned by the system.
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This would explain the new information that lead to the request for investigation.
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So who is giving us the cliffs to the upcoming Federal Police press conference?
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wide ranging investigation into illegal drugs in sport. Will look at Essendon and all other clubs, and all other codes.Lance Uppercut is usually all over this stuff.
Essentially, if we are in trouble we're ****ed, but if there's any other club or player in the land who has skeletons, they are also ****ed. In other words, all the joy on the Main Board might soon turn to ashes
Sorry to double up and ask this again... but unless ASADA know exactly who was given what, how can they ban anyone? Even if they conclude it was likely some players were injected illegal substances, they can't ban a whole bunch of players if all the players come out and say that they only had vitamin injections. It's not like they can get a positive result from a drug test at this stage.
This is why I think the players will be ok. The club could possibly be in trouble, but not the players. I wouldn't be surprised if the AFL did everything they could to support this outcome as well (by assisting in creating some doubt). There's no way they would want two thirds of a team to be banned for any period of time.
This is why I think the players will be ok. The club could possibly be in trouble, but not the players. I wouldn't be surprised if the AFL did everything they could to support this outcome as well (by assisting in creating some doubt). There's no way they would want two thirds of a team to be banned for any period of time.
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I wouldn't wish this uncertainty (especially from seemingly nowhere) on any club supporters.
The f-wits on this site, as annoying and spiteful as they are, even them, I wouldn't wish this on.
I feel as though I've been a lot more upbeat than most on this issue, and even still, it's pretty horrible not knowing whether your club will be allowed to field its own team for a few years.
The f-wits on this site, as annoying and spiteful as they are, even them, I wouldn't wish this on.
I feel as though I've been a lot more upbeat than most on this issue, and even still, it's pretty horrible not knowing whether your club will be allowed to field its own team for a few years.
no chance we won't Kong. The "waivers" exonerate the players. They will play. Just means the club would be in some serious financial shit potentially. Worst case scenario.
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Absolutely brilliant interview on SEN at the moment.
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I assume the signed consent forms would be used to determine who took what.
Otherwise, can the club confirm?
"Ahhh, yeah, Kyle Reimers. He was the big one. Couldn't get enough of that HGH. D-bol, too. Loved that shit.
And, ahh... Adam McPhee. I mean, yeah he was gone from the club, but he used to pop in for it a fair bit. Used to bring Andrew Welsh* in, too.
So yeah, you better suspsen those three blokes."
* Welshy's a club man, he'd take the wrap for the club.
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I for one hope that we will be playing you as normal on Anzac day.
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Cliffs?
no doubt in the world you will be
good hey. UtG could sure take a leaf out of his senior colleagues books!!!!!
- barrister talking about the situation.
- "waivers" probably enough to exonerate the players
- UtG is a bad lawyer
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