News EFC asks AFL and ASADA for probe into own training regime

[Red Black and Blue]

Cliffs?

Missed the opening, but the jist is some lawyer going over the Asada/AFL rules regarding the scenario. Basically said that ignorance is an legitimate excuse if it can be proven. Best part was he was chuckling every time KB went off on a bs rant.

 

[Nifft]

I assume the signed consent forms would be used to determine who took what.

So it comes down to how specific the consent forms are then? If they specifically mention "you WILL be injected with X" and X is illegal then the players could be in trouble. Hopefully the forms were instead more along the lines of "you MAY be injected with X, Y or Z over the course of the year...".

 

[Lance Uppercut]

So it comes down to how specific the consent forms are then? If they specifically mention "you WILL be injected with X" and X is illegal then the players could be in trouble. Hopefully the forms were instead more along the lines of "you MAY be injected with X, Y or Z over the course of the year...".

the consent forms were requested by the players to guarantee what they were taking was legal. Hence, they can't really be blamed

 

[Only Forwards]

no chance we won't Kong. The "waivers" exonerate the players. They will play. Just means the club would be in some serious financial shit potentially. Worst case scenario.

Lance how do the "waivers" exonerate players if the substances injected were banned?

Skinny on my understanding (limited and built out of the current kurfuffle) players found to have been part of a program where by substances that are not approved have been administered would face a potential 2 year ban.

The club itself would not face such a sanction it would be the players. That is where I get to filtering through the myriads of shite spewing fourth at the moment.

As a side note I am just interested and not here to take shots at you lot.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Lance how do the "waivers" exonerate players if the substances injected were banned?

Skinny on my understanding (limited and built out of the current kurfuffle) players found to have been part of a program where by substances that are not approved have been administered would face a potential 2 year ban.

The club itself would not face such a sanction it would be the players. That is where I get to filtering through the myriads of shite spewing fourth at the moment.

As a side note I am just interested and not here to take shots at you lot.

because the players could have taken no more possible steps to ensure they were clean.

This is the opinion of a barrister, not me.

 

[Only Forwards]

because the players could have taken no more possible steps to ensure they were clean.

This is the opinion of a barrister, not me.

cheers

 

[BrunoV]

because the players could have taken no more possible steps to ensure they were clean.

This is the opinion of a barrister, not me.

There can be no other sensible conclusion. For all of the bluster in parts of the WADA code is it really a better position for individuals with no expertise to be making determinations of what is legal and what isn't.

 

[dnbassador]

Say it all blows over and we are innocent what happens if we win every game this year hahaha

 

[Ben the Gooner]

VicPol presser on SEN at 11.30.

Only caught the tail end of the Fed presser, nothing specific to Essendon that I heard.

 

[stugots]

'One club is currently under investigation' - explains the looks on Hird & co's faces the other day & unfortunately now there's little doubt which club that is

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Demetriou very unconvincing in saying that the ACC's investigation wasn't the trigger for us to come forward.

 

[Kong]

Can somebody post updates?

What exactly is happening?

Trying to keep up on the main board is impossible.

 

[Jobe3votes]

Watch the cretins link this to our club. Rest easy, these are indeed separate investigations.

 

[Kong]

Can somebody post updates?

What exactly is happening?

Trying to keep up on the main board is impossible.

Cliffs, anyone?

 

[lysp]

I'm not worried until an actual fact of what has happened comes out.

So far the club has found a discrepancy somewhere and have come forward to the afl, asada and the public saying there *may* be an issue and would like it investigated.

Since then the media (especially radio) has come up with 1001 theories and vague links, where the truth is they are all just assumptions and they need to publish something. The whole thing is becoming bad because the media just make up assumptions as to what it might be and keep needing to one up themselves.

All there stories have 1 thing in common - they don't know any facts and are just making shit up.

Needles - must be this
Form - must be that
Drugs - must be organised crime

So i think we all just need to wait for afl/asada to complete their investigation and for them or the club to come out with the results of the investigation. Until then all it is is just rumour.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Presser starting now.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Match fixing only in racing in Victoria.

 

[BrunoV]

I do like some of the wording in this article: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/prob...rugs-in-sport-crime-links-20130207-2dzw1.html

"cheating with the help of criminals".

I'm not aware of a way that you could supply illegal drugs to athletes and not be a criminal.

 

[Childish Gambino]

Cliffs, anyone?

http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/s...ganised-crime-and-drugs-in-sports-feb2013.pdf

 

[Kong]

http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/s...ganised-crime-and-drugs-in-sports-feb2013.pdf

Yeah tried that, tl;dr for me.

 

[Debating Society]

Rest easy, these are indeed separate investigations.

I reckon the investigation involved Dank (not primarily the club). Feds informed Essendon of this fact within the past week. Previous investigations within the club to make sure everything was above board which turned up clean, are now in doubt. This new information they received which put this into doubt made them raise the white flag as they don't have access to the data, so have called in the big boys to fine tooth comb it all.

This sounds like the reasonable explanation for all this.

 

[Childish Gambino]

Yeah tried that, tl;dr for me.

Page 17 could be the main concern for Essendon at the moment.

 

[Doss]

Listening to SEN news- "Hird linked to criminal figure"- apparently referring to him working with Charter (or whatever his name is) on his diet in 2003.

Good stuff SEN.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Its speculation even the report is hearsay.

While the level of suspected use of peptides varies between sporting codes, officials
from one club have been identified as administering, via injections and intravenous drips,
a variety of substances, possibly including peptides. Moreover, the substances were
administered at levels which were possibly in breach of WADA anti-doping rules.

Basically the same that we've heard the last couple of days. It doesn't look good, but not the end of the line.

 

[Debating Society]

Page 17 could be the main concern for Essendon at the moment.

It looks damning indeed, but you can take the following from it

Moreover, the substances were administered at levels which were possibly in breach of WADA anti-doping rules.