First round pick for Bock?

[WALL-e]

I want to see this so called formula.

 

[Vader]

I can actually see the AFC taking this one to court, given the complete lack of transparency regarding the formula. It's a complete lack of procedural fairness.

Nobody is expecting Band 1 compensation, but Band 2 has to be the absolute minimum accepted.

 

[jo172]

I can actually see the AFC taking this one to court, given the complete lack of transparency regarding the formula. It's a complete lack of procedural fairness.

I would be.

Much greater AFL applecarts to be knocked over if we ever wanted to go down that road.

 

[LOZWILDA]

I would have expected a band 2 rating for one of the best defenders going around. The AFL are clueless!

 

[splat868]

For what its worth,

A few days after Rucci first said the crows would get around pick 26, Demitriou himself came out and said that he thought that this speculation was unfounded, and that the compensation would be nothing like pick 26.

I dont have a quote for this, though sorry.

 

[Chief_Beamish]

For what its worth,

A few days after Rucci first said the crows would get around pick 26, Demitriou himself came out and said that he thought that this speculation was unfounded, and that the compensation would be nothing like pick 26.

I dont have a quote for this, though sorry.

Dimwitrio was on 5AA in response to Stephen Trigg and Rucci's claims we'd get pick 26 when he stated it was his expectation that the Crows would receive a first round pick (ie band 2 compensation) not a pick at the end of the first round.

I'm sure Rowey and Cornsey can go back through the archives and replay the little snippet.

FWIW I'm extremely glad that we're appealing this dispicable decision. Not sure what good it will do but we've got to take a stand on this. I'm sure that there are other neutral administrators in the AFL that also agree Bock should undoubtably be a Band 2 selection!!!

I can't understand why the AFL would release all the compensation picks at the same time??? Our only hope is that Bock ends up being one of their best free agent signings and the AFL review their decision once they see they won't be handing out a stack of first round picks........

 

[King Elvis]

I can actually see the AFC taking this one to court, given the complete lack of transparency regarding the formula. It's a complete lack of procedural fairness.

Nobody is expecting Band 1 compensation, but Band 2 has to be the absolute minimum accepted.

Honestly, even Band 1 isn't completely unrealistic.

Look at the recent trades, it's the only way you can evaluate value;

Burgoyne
Jolly
Gibson
McLean

Burgoyne is arguably the best comparison on that list; a gun who has had some injury issues, but, when fit, is a very, very good player.

Plus, Burgoyne wouldn't be on $750k per annum!

Band 2 should be the absolute minimum, I'd argue we're still getting ripped off, but at least it we wouldn't be being totally r*ped.

Bock comparable to Gibson in value?

Pfft.

 

[Vader]

I have no problems with them releasing the compensation on the same day as GC announcing their signatures. It's a set formula, so it shouldn't be dependent on which players go and saying "they've already signed 3 band 2 players so this one has to be band 3".

Why make the clubs wait any longer than they need to? I'm sure Adelaide were eager to find out what compensation they were going to receive. I'm equally sure that the local dentist is going to be doing great business, fixing all those teeth which broke when their jaws hit the floor when the compo deal was announced.

 

[big78sam]

I have no problems with them releasing the compensation on the same day as GC announcing their signatures. It's a set formula, so it shouldn't be dependent on which players go and saying "they've already signed 3 band 2 players so this one has to be band 3".

Why make the clubs wait any longer than they need to? I'm sure Adelaide were eager to find out what compensation they were going to receive. I'm equally sure that the local dentist is going to be doing great business, fixing all those teeth which broke when their jaws hit the floor when the compo deal was announced.

I do. The club best and fairest and AA announcement haven't happened yet. If he had won (which he won't but richitelli might) this should affect the compensation

 

[courageous_tom]

I do. The club best and fairest and AA announcement haven't happened yet. If he had won (which he won't but richitelli might) this should affect the compensation

That's a good point. So for the sake of this formula, have they assumed Bock won't poll any votes at all this year? or that he won't be part of the top 10?

Fair assumptions either way, but surely they'd have to wait for it to be official before announcing his 'band'

 

[big78sam]

How's your maths? 16+2=18, thus the earliest the pick could be, would be pick 19 and thats if no one else uses theirs. I'd suggest, if our appeal is unsuccessful, that we'll use it straight away, not too much difference between pick 19 and pick 26, might drop a player or two on Rendell's list at most, but we get the benefit of an extra couple of years development.

I think we'd need to look at draft depth as well. If the club knew that the 2013 (for example, I have no idea) was a great year and the talent went really deep they'll probably wait.

Is the 2 years development really that important anyway? the player will also be 2 years older and will retire around 2 years earlier. it just means the window of his best will be 2 years later. You still get the same number of good years on average.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

For what its worth,

A few days after Rucci first said the crows would get around pick 26, Demitriou himself came out and said that he thought that this speculation was unfounded, and that the compensation would be nothing like pick 26.

I dont have a quote for this, though sorry.

I'm pretty sure Vlad said we don't get a compensation pick, which then makes you wonder how much they know about their own formula!!!

 

[hawker39]

This whole draft compensation shows ho difficult it is to ever get a trade done. Adelaide (the selling club) says mid 1st round or mid 1st round plus a 2nd round or a player. The buying club (The AFL) says end of 1st round. From this point let the complaining begin on from the Adelaide side as the AFL can't be involved in a slanging match.

This is not a true trading situation but an assessment of worth. No team is giving up a draft choice here.

Bock as a player is worth much more to Adelaide when trading with another club but if a players draft pick is evaluated in isolation then Bock at the end of the 1st round seems reasonable. There is a difference although I may not have explained it well. The banding process is a good way to go. Band 1 for an Ablett or Pavlich type Band 2 for a player like James Frawley(no he is not leaving) but a KPP defender drafted in the 1st round and less then 23 years of age - so at least 150 games to play and Band 3 for a player like Bock KPP not an early draft choice with less than 80 games left to play.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

I can actually see the AFC taking this one to court, given the complete lack of transparency regarding the formula. It's a complete lack of procedural fairness.

Nobody is expecting Band 1 compensation, but Band 2 has to be the absolute minimum accepted.

As a member I'd be demanding they take this to court. Sick and tired of the vic-sentric bias bullshit that is continually thrown our way.

Bloody mob of potato heads!!!

 

[Ticktak]

As a member I'd be demanding they take this to court. Sick and tired of the vic-sentric bias bullshit that is continually thrown our way.

Bloody mob of potato heads!!!

Totally agree. What do ya reckon Eddie McGuire would do if Bock was a Collingwood player??

 

[crows4always]

What a fkg joke in poor taste!!

We will never get a fair deal in anything while that Dimwit and his B Grade "post it note" lawyer run this show for the benefit of the Victorians.

Mark my words, you watch some hack from one of the big 4 Victorian clubs unjustly attract a higher rating than Bock and a first round pick.

The best draft pick we can get for an AA and B&F is pick 19 if we wait 2 years and nobody finishing lower than us uses theirs?? Or pick 26 to 30 if we use it this year??

I genuinely hate that fat bastard and his snivelling off-sider!!

If Bock was up for open trade he would have attracted a quality first round draft pick around 10 to 12 at worst which could be used at once.

Adelaide had no choice but to appeal, although I expect nothing from those authors of the grandfather son rule for non-Victorian clubs.

If we get stuck with being dudded after the appeal, then as others have suggested, use the damn pick now and get 2 years development into the draft selection.

Not happy. Not happy.

What a mob of w***ers the heirarchy of the AFL is they would do anything to get at our club.The AFL has been going downhill since Demetriou took over from Wayne Jackson that did a really top job. You are spot on Macca I am with you all the way.I have feared for our great game at the top level for many years.

 

[King Elvis]

This whole draft compensation shows ho difficult it is to ever get a trade done. Adelaide (the selling club) says mid 1st round or mid 1st round plus a 2nd round or a player. The buying club (The AFL) says end of 1st round. From this point let the complaining begin on from the Adelaide side as the AFL can't be involved in a slanging match.

This is not a true trading situation but an assessment of worth. No team is giving up a draft choice here.

Bock as a player is worth much more to Adelaide when trading with another club but if a players draft pick is evaluated in isolation then Bock at the end of the 1st round seems reasonable. There is a difference although I may not have explained it well. The banding process is a good way to go. Band 1 for an Ablett or Pavlich type Band 2 for a player like James Frawley(no he is not leaving) but a KPP defender drafted in the 1st round and less then 23 years of age - so at least 150 games to play and Band 3 for a player like Bock KPP not an early draft choice with less than 80 games left to play.

Yea, bullshit mate, and a Hawks fan should no better.

Look at what you gave up for Burgoyne; Bock would do more to improve your side than he did. Guarantee you that if Bock was on the table because he wanted a change, and not because of the GC, you'd offer us a similar trade to that which netted you Burgoyne.

Look at what you gave up for Gibson, Bock is so many times better than him it isn't funny.

We're getting ****ed.

 

[courageous_tom]

With Rischitelli also getting a third band pick, i think the AFL's position is a little more justifiable with regards to Bock.

As long as everyone is getting screwed equally over the next three years, then its all fair.

 

[WALL-e]

How the **** did Kark get band 4?

 

[Dirty Bird]

I beleive it should be
Bock - tier 2
Risky - tier 3
Krak - flip of a coin, probably tier 5, maybe pushing for 4

 

[splat868]

I'd like to know who does qualify as a band 2 selection?

If we have an all australian and club champion who is band 3, and still has 3-4 years of good football left, Who at our club qualifies higher?

Tippet?
Douglas?
thompson?

They are all valuable players, but how would the AFL rate them

And if Rischetelli has been confirmed as a band 3 with the chance of winning best and fairest at brisbane what the eff is band 2?

There are 30 odd players that the AFL identified as band 1, how many are band 2?

I think anyone that is established in the best 22 for each team should come close to band 2.

So, does the AFL think we have any band 2, or does Demitriou just think the entire Crows team are a bunch of scrubs?

 

[NT.Thunder]

Really has me bemused on how the F@#K the lions manage to get a pick before Crows in compensation for the Bock/Ricka deals????

So you lose an AA KPP and Brisbane lose a bloke who is APPARENTLY going to win the B&F this year against quality team mates..Cough...Cough....and they'll have a pick prior if both are used this year. LMAO @ Justice

 

[dplggr47]

I'd like to know who does qualify as a band 2 selection?

If we have an all australian and club champion who is band 3, and still has 3-4 years of good football left, Who at our club qualifies higher?

Tippet?
Douglas?
thompson?

They are all valuable players, but how would the AFL rate them

And if Rischetelli has been confirmed as a band 3 with the chance of winning best and fairest at brisbane what the eff is band 2?

There are 30 odd players that the AFL identified as band 1, how many are band 2?

I think anyone that is established in the best 22 for each team should come close to band 2.

So, does the AFL think we have any band 2, or does Demitriou just think the entire Crows team are a bunch of scrubs?

at the Crows, probably Johncock, Tippett, Thompson and Vince would be worth band 2 IMO. Doughty is established in our starting 22, but i would think he would be worth the lowest of bands. Douglas and Knights would probably be band 3. Walker and Danger would probably be worth band 4 (equivalent of Krakouer). the whole compensation system screws every other team losing uncontracted players. GC should've just been made to trade their extra picks they were given for uncontracted players.

 

[splat868]

While I agree with you on those players, And I think there should be more Crows players in band 2, particularly on promise.

Pessimistically, I don't think the AFL would- they want achievements, and when they have them in Bock they find another reason to downgrade him.

Their arguments for those players would be

Vince has had one really good season.
Douglas has had one really good seaon.
Johncock is similar in age to Bock and doesnt have the same level of honours.
Tippet is young, shows promise but still has his down sides(goalkicking)-and is yet to set the competition alight.
Thompson has been a solid player for some time, and is still in his prime,but isnt a superstar- but is possibly the most likely band 2.

If you compare these players to Bock and Rischetelli, who are probably on par with achievements, would the AFL honestly assign these others to band 2?

I think the AFL expect band 2 to be absoulte stars, but surely if there are 30 band 1s, you would guess at 60??? band 2s. so that would average around 5 band one or two players per club I would think. which would still leave around 600 players in bands 3, 4 and 5.

So based on what the AFL has advised re compensation so far, which teams have all the band 1 and 2 players if we wopuld struggle to get any?

I think the only team that will be adequately compensated will be Geelong for Gabblett, or a few similar Victorian teams.

Everyone else that doesn't lose one of the top 20 players in the comp will get XXXXXed over.

 

[swansfan51]

Everyone else that doesn't lose one of the top 20 players in the comp will get XXXXXed over.

You really think Port got screwed over?