Rumour GFC 2016 Player Trading, Drafting, FA, Rumours, and Wish lists.

[year of the cat]

Is say Gandhi and Hitler but we are on the same wavelength

Was going to bring Karl Marx in for a gig in front of Mao but Mao had more support...

 

[Biggy_Boy]

There's only 2 possible reasons for trading Motlop.

1/ he wants more cash. And if that's the case he can see out his contract and we'll get a damn good pick for RFA.
2/ we don't have salary cap room. If that's the case, we can't fit Deledio.

And I don't want him anyway.
We don't even need him.

If they're trying to create cap room, they could trade Motlop for a first-rounder from somewhere, and then use their second rounder to try to pick up a player to fill a need who will come cheaper than Deledio. In fact, a second-rounder is the absolute most I would expect a club to trade for Deledio.

 

[Leeds17]

Not sure where the people who are saying he wouldn't add anything to the team are coming from, Deledio would be the best ball user at the club if he was to join and would add genuine class, that being said I don't see how a trade would be possible.

If there a club out there who's lacking an inside midfielder? Really want GHS to find a club that appreciates him and has the team to compliment his strengths.

 

[TheJimmyCartel]

Trading Motlop for Deledio would be Fremantle-esque. I know the club loves getting bent over at the trade table, but that would take it to new levels.

I know this is somewhat of a pre-conceived notion but do you really think that's been the case in recent times?

I can't think of many recent trades apart from McIntosh and Clarke that haven't worked in our favour? Plus the Clarke/Varcoe trade also probably paid a part in freeing up cap space for last years trade coup, so there were other advantages apart from Clarke's unfortunate performance. Not many were disappointed to see TV go anyway...

Bundy has barely got on the park and been average at best in Brisbane - and we pretty much had a gun to our heads with that trade and Stanley has been improving and now a crucial part or structure with a much higher ceiling. You wouldn't take 2 Bundy's for Stanley now...and we'd get a first rounder for Stanley now I would bet also. That has been a big win for us. Bundy would barely get a late second round, probably third - if that with his back history.

Every one of last years trades have paid massive dividends - we picked up the likely Brownlow medalist for a first + second rnd pick and a player that couldn't play a game for the Crows. You'd take that every day - after Adelaide did the unexpected and were going to force a trade by matching anyway.

Hendo - Pick 16-20 - Win. Been outstanding, probably unlucky not to make the AA group of 40.
Smith - two late 3rd rounders - Massive Win - has been a solid ruckman all year, best 22 now.
Selwood - Nothing - Win
Caddy - probably about fair late first rounder, still upside.

I'm actually struggling to see anywhere we got 'bent over', in fact we seem to have come out on top on nearly every trade bar Hmac and Clarke and as I said, Varcoe going had other cap advantages which probably enabled us to grab Smith/Scooter. I think we've traded exceptionally well, we've picked up elite talent and filled our structural voids with players that are paying us back in spades - so unless you're expecting to have a 100% strike rate and pay unders for everybody, I think this 'bent over' perception is BS, if you want to look at recent history.

 

[Turbocat]

Re Deludio <> Motlop if true...
I wonder if the club is thinking that if they were both FA's next year and did this move neither club would get comp. If they anticipate losing Motlop as a FA and replacing him as a FA , we will not get anything for Motlop. So basically a year earlier and Geelong may get a player that is happy to come here , and perhaps let go one who they feel will move in 12 months time. Add they are really focused on the next two years they may feel it gives them better coverage for the next two years rather than just one with SM.

The other thing is I wonder if the club is looking at players like Enright and Boomer , and to certain degree SJ and Hodge etc.. and are thinking that if a player is professional in attitude they can get more than 1 or 2 from 30 year old player. Perhaps its a rebalancing of the age profile they are shooting for. We have read on this forum about us being linked to Ablett. If 30 is the new 28 then why not look at Daniel Wells ..he is a FA..especially if we trade Motlop.. would be a dollar only bring in.

The fact is we supporters probably all over rate players but some Rich guys have taken that attitude to new volume , imo I mean last year we could all feel for the Crows losing a 25 year old Danger. I like to see some of these supporters reactions if FA was available and there was no comp... to believe Deludio is worth multiple gun players at his age... at the most he is worth what they would get for FA comp plus a bit more. The bit more probably depends on how hot you are for him...and to my mind Motlop is more than just a bit more.

 

[Turbocat]

Was going to bring Karl Marx in for a gig in front of Mao but Mao had more support...

Perhaps Karl and Groucho..

 

[year of the cat]

Perhaps Karl and Groucho..

Now there's a conversation I'd love to witness

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Anyone know anything about a kid playing in the under 18's by the name of Pat Kerr?

Any good?

 

[you pick one]

Anyone know anything about a kid playing in the under 18's by the name of Pat Kerr?

Any good?

Probable go first round.

 

[Chappycats]

There's only 2 possible reasons for trading Motlop.

1/ he wants more cash. And if that's the case he can see out his contract and we'll get a damn good pick for RFA.
2/ we don't have salary cap room. If that's the case, we can't fit Deledio.

And I don't want him anyway.
We don't even need him.

This needs to be posted again because it 100% spot on!

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Probable go first round.

That good eh?

 

[Footy Smarts]

Deledio is 4 years younger than SJ. One guy is well past his best although still capable of producing great moments while the other guy was AA in his last full season. I'd also think we wouldn't be offering him a big wage. He's had his massive pay day at Richmond so if he wants to come it'll be for success not money. I'd imagine he'd be offered less than what Motlop is on.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Deledio is 4 years younger than SJ. One guy is well past his best although still capable of producing great moments while the other guy was AA in his last full season. I'd also think we wouldn't be offering him a big wage. He's had his massive pay day at Richmond so if he wants to come it'll be for success not money. I'd imagine he'd be offered less than what Motlop is on.

SJ also hasn't been riddled with injuries.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

SJ also hasn't been riddled with injuries.

*cough*

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Bundy has barely got on the park and been average at best in Brisbane - and we pretty much had a gun to our heads with that trade and Stanley has been improving and now a crucial part or structure with a much higher ceiling. You wouldn't take 2 Bundy's for Stanley now...and we'd get a first rounder for Stanley now I would bet also. That has been a big win for us. Bundy would barely get a late second round, probably third - if that with his back history.

You're right. Stanley has improved immensely at Geelong and Christensen has regressed and been injured at Brisbane. Those weren't known factors at the time of those trades being made, though. At the time, Christensen was a young inside midfielder who was already one of Geelong's best contributors and Stanley had consistently struggled to have an impact in a poor St. Kilda side. At the time, Christensen was worth more than 21 and Stanley less. If the club were to trade Stanley now, they probably wouldn't get much more than pick 21 despite his significant improvement, which just shows how much the club overpaid.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You're right. Stanley has improved immensely at Geelong and has regressed and been injured at Brisbane. Those weren't known factors at the time of those trades being made, though. At the time, Christensen was a young inside midfielder who was already one of Geelong's best contributors and Stanley had consistently struggled to have an impact in a poor St. Kilda side. At the time, Christensen was worth more than 21 and Stanley less. If the club were to trade Stanley now, they probably wouldn't get much more than pick 21 despite his significant improvement, which just shows how much the club overpaid.

Lol. Your obsession with our trading patterns.
We're a club that trades fairly and honestly, for those with the attitude that we should be 'winning' trades that of course skews the perception towards overpaying.
Who cares what we paid in the end though, Stanley was a player identified as being a player of need, in a position of need. We went and got him.
Teams that haggle over the trade price right until deadline sometimes don't get those deals done. We don't **** about and invariably often end up with the player we sought to get.
I'd certainly rather be in the group that gets its trades done, for all the lauding that Dodoro gets for being a hard bargainer at the trade table Essendon haven't won a final since 2004.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

There's only 2 possible reasons for trading Motlop.

1/ he wants more cash. And if that's the case he can see out his contract and we'll get a damn good pick for RFA.
2/ we don't have salary cap room. If that's the case, we can't fit Deledio.

And I don't want him anyway.
We don't even need him.

The only other reason would be if you knew motlop was going and knew you were getting another FA and didnt want to dilute the compo. With danger/scooter we would have known that due to their family links to the club and thatwas a factor with trading varcoe. But with a normal free agent you arent going to know with any certainty 12mths ahead that you are getting them so i dont think thats a factor here.

I highly doubt we trade motlop this year.

 

[TheJimmyCartel]

You're right. Stanley has improved immensely at Geelong and Christensen has regressed and been injured at Brisbane. Those weren't known factors at the time of those trades being made, though. At the time, Christensen was a young inside midfielder who was already one of Geelong's best contributors and Stanley had consistently struggled to have an impact in a poor St. Kilda side. At the time, Christensen was worth more than 21 and Stanley less. If the club were to trade Stanley now, they probably wouldn't get much more than pick 21 despite his significant improvement, which just shows how much the club overpaid.

Perhaps, I don't think we got screwed for Bundy, I mean he definitely wasn't worth a top 10 pick, so he was maybe worth a few picks better, pretty marginal really. Plus, was OOC and gave us one club to deal with, Brisbane didn't have much else to offer and there were obviously off-field issues that we still don't really know the extent of - he had to go and we had very little leverage. I think the club would've had a fair idea of his injury issues also, he's had the back issues persistently while at Geelong, those issue aren't likely just going away, especially when they show signs at that young of an age.

Agree Stanley wasn't worth p21 at the time but he filled a position we desperately needed, appeared to have solid upside and was probably the best available for us - I think it was a pretty astute trade, they knew it was probably overs at the time looking at it as an isolated trade but he was still contracted but we got what we needed and part of the puzzle was getting a good ruckman on the list, that had to happen and the upside looked very favourable, which they made a good assessment of IMO.

Would you have preferred we took that p21 to the draft and didn't have him on the list or that we went after a need that was critical to us and paid a bit extra to fill it with a talented big man that was still contracted?

 

[Turbocat]

Anyone know anything about a kid playing in the under 18's by the name of Pat Kerr?

Any good?

Medium forward.. liked him at the champs... his kicking is a little bit on or off but kicked well in the games I saw. Has in play game as well as mark and kick. This year id have said one of the best target forwards available.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re Deludio <> Motlop if true...
I wonder if the club is thinking that if they were both FA's next year and did this move neither club would get comp. If they anticipate losing Motlop as a FA and replacing him as a FA , we will not get anything for Motlop. So basically a year earlier and Geelong may get a player that is happy to come here , and perhaps let go one who they feel will move in 12 months time. Add they are really focused on the next two years they may feel it gives them better coverage for the next two years rather than just one with SM.

The other thing is I wonder if the club is looking at players like Enright and Boomer , and to certain degree SJ and Hodge etc.. and are thinking that if a player is professional in attitude they can get more than 1 or 2 from 30 year old player. Perhaps its a rebalancing of the age profile they are shooting for. We have read on this forum about us being linked to Ablett. If 30 is the new 28 then why not look at Daniel Wells ..he is a FA..especially if we trade Motlop.. would be a dollar only bring in.

The fact is we supporters probably all over rate players but some Rich guys have taken that attitude to new volume , imo I mean last year we could all feel for the Crows losing a 25 year old Danger. I like to see some of these supporters reactions if FA was available and there was no comp... to believe Deludio is worth multiple gun players at his age... at the most he is worth what they would get for FA comp plus a bit more. The bit more probably depends on how hot you are for him...and to my mind Motlop is more than just a bit more.

Your point re free agency compo could be possible i dont know. But even in that scenario why wouldnt we trade motlop to a club that offers us more than richmond (ie a high first rounder) and then trade a later pick for deledio.a much better outcome than swapping them in a richmond trade.

Motlop if he wanted out (which i doubt he does) would have many suitors, which othet suitors would deledio have at his age? We are competing against nobody trade wise and he is not essential to us-there is no need to overpay.

 

[Turbocat]

The only other reason would be if you knew motlop was going and knew you were getting another FA and didnt want to dilute the compo. With danger/scooter we would have known that due to their family links to the club and thatwas a factor with trading varcoe. But with a normal free agent you arent going to know with any certainty 12mths ahead that you are getting them so i dont think thats a factor here.

I highly doubt we trade motlop this year.

As I said earlier .. considering we are in this 17-18 mindset , if Motlop does go..would we take a pick..or would we look for a FA? Id say the latter ..in which case we get zero for Motlop.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Medium forward.. liked him at the champs... his kicking is a little bit on or off but kicked well in the games I saw. Has in play game as well as mark and kick. This year id have said one of the best target forwards available.

interesting.

 

[Turbocat]

Your point re free agency compo could be possible i dont know. But even in that scenario why wouldnt we trade motlop to a club that offers us more than richmond (ie a high first rounder) and then trade a later pick for deledio.a much better outcome than swapping them in a richmond trade.

Motlop if he wanted out (which i doubt he does) would have many suitors, which othet suitors would deledio have at his age? We are competing against nobody trade wise and he is not essential to us-there is no need to overpay.

I agree that would be ideal... trade Motlop for heaps to GC etc and on trade etc. I think its more than one thing.. have we talked the trade up to Deludio , said we can get it done. Has Motlop only received a good offer from one clubs..or perhaps he want to play a particular club.

 

[Turbocat]

interesting.

Here what I posted after watching champs games..
Patrick Kerr..... KPF , 194 ..good hands on the lead , strong enough in the core and over head to take marks in a 1o1 and although not bullet proof, a reasonable setshot routine. Leans back a little on it but thats a minor observation. He stepped up in the last match for VM and kicked big goals to get them across the line. Not a high flyer really but still would appeal in todays footy , a 3rd tall at 194cm
VM 30 Patrick Kerr... continued on with some of the form previously shown , this time adding ground play and some in game snaps a left and a right.. At his size he is now , and what he could grow into ..he seem a pretty attractive option to me. His kicking just need a little adjustment but he can kick the ball no doubt.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I agree that would be ideal... trade Motlop for heaps to GC etc and on trade etc. I think its more than one thing.. have we talked the trade up to Deludio , said we can get it done. Has Motlop only received a good offer from one clubs..or perhaps he want to play a particular club.

Yeah but if motlop nominates a club that offers crap we can tell him we will only look at a trade this year to a club that offers better or he can choose who he wants as a free agent next year. Remember at worst we will get first round compo for him next year,richmond wont for deledio.

They are not in any drivers seat no mattet what their supporters say.