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[Isaac Norm Smith]

Instead trolling the dregs on other lists.... get someone like this kid... Mayeb we should consider.. 'Maxie' the king of the Big Boys club....

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204cm Sandy Dragon Max Heath grows into AFL draft contention
Beaumaris product Max Heath has played only one game in the NAB League. But even without having a kicked a ball this year he’s had interviews with six AFL clubs. Here’s the story behind his rise.

It’s probably a stretch to say AFL recruiters are mad on Max Heath, but they’re certainly sizing him up.
At 204cm, there is a lot of him, and the scouts will get a better look at the Victorian component of the draft combine.

Without having kicked a ball in the NAB League this year, the Sandringham Dragon has come into contention for an AFL listing.

At the end of last season no one at the club could have seen it happening.

But ahead of this season they had seen Heath go from a laid-back lad to what coach Josh Bourke called an “almost intimidating’’ presence in the ruck.

Heath, from Beaumaris, played one NAB League match last year, against Gippsland Power, “and was reasonable’’, according to Bourke.

Bourke and region manager Mark Wheeler discussed getting “development games’’ into him for 2020. They had the idea of him returning to the club as a 19-year-old in 2021.

“But by halftime in our first intraclub this year we’re going, geez, big Max is going OK here,’’ Bourke recalled this week.

“By the next week in our next intraclub we’re sitting there saying, ‘Boys, we might have found our starting ruckman’. And a week later he played against Oakleigh in a practice match and Paul Corrigan (Vic Metro Under 18 coach) comes up and says, ‘I reckon we’ve found the Metro ruckman’.

“That’s not to say he would have been, because you never quite know how that stuff will end up, but his trajectory went from playing a couple of games in the development space to being talked about for Metro.’’

Bourke said Heath had been happy to “cruise’’ through training, but that changed. Teammates saw a “competitive beast’’ and he developed into “a bit of cult hero among the Dragons boys’’.

“They love big Maxie. When you’re 204cm you draw a crowd, and we have something at the Dragons called the ‘big boy club’. All the key position players go down to the goalsquare and they compete one-on-one and the winner stays on. And he went from being pushed around to becoming the unofficial king of the ‘big boy club’. It was a big effort.’’

Heath, 17, credits a pre-season meeting with Bourke for his turnaround.

He said a group of about 15 top-age players were called into a room before Christmas and told they needed to lift.

The Xavier College Year 11 student came away from the meeting understanding he needed to improve his training.

Good size.

 

[ibuprofen]

That being the case, no one (us included) will take them seriously if they threaten to match an offer. It sounds like he's being kicked out of the club. Take your band 2 compo and leave it at that.

Its a huge risk as he can just stay which it sounds like what he wants. Its going to be comical if they match and then says, cool, thats what I wanted anyway. I'm not sure they play with fire like that.

 

[Turbocat]

Crouch sounds like he's moving based on his comments today.

what did he say? ...something like

 

[Kyuss]

Have the AFL released their secret formula on free agency compo?
Am I missing something when I say that technically the Crows wont know what compo they will get for Crouch until they choose not match?
And by that stage its too late if you don't like what you get.

 

[Landgraft]

No evidence but it's logical.

From a particular reading of the facts, maybe.

I think given what's on the market and the squeeze for spots the club may well not think it worth their while this year. Marginal upgrades on Darcy Fort aren't going to make our break us imo.

 

[goyoucatters]

Is there any evidence the club is actually looking for a ruck? Or is it just speculative?

Not specifically. But we went hard at Goldy last year, and you could hardly suggest that the prognosis for our current rucks has improved since then.

Rhys still missing too much footy, Fort not going to make the grade, and Rata looking well off the pace in recent games. Admittedly Sam De Koning might have promise in that role. But next year is too early for him to be asked to go in there and play a meaningful role.

So it's hard to see how we won't be looking somehow (whether it's trade or draft) to take a step forward in list quality for ruck stocks by the time 2021 rolls around.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

From a particular reading of the facts, maybe.

I think given what's on the market and the squeeze for spots the club may well not think it worth their while this year. Marginal upgrades on Darcy Fort aren't going to make our break us imo.

The definition of marginal is a key I agree but the offer to Goldy last year says we want another mature ruck if they are good enough to be worth it.

 

[Turbocat]

Have the AFL released their secret formula on free agency compo?
Am I missing something when I say that technically the Crows wont know what compo they will get for Crouch until they choose not match?
And by that stage its too late if you don't like what you get.

This is what I have said..and its seems to be missed by some..so maybe it will be behind the scenes.... the afl give them a heads up etc

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Have the AFL released their secret formula on free agency compo?
Am I missing something when I say that technically the Crows wont know what compo they will get for Crouch until they choose not match?
And by that stage its too late if you don't like what you get.

They can ask the league for an indication of compo in the 3 days they have to match.

 

[Turbocat]

Is there any evidence the club is actually looking for a ruck? Or is it just speculative?

No evidence at all...

 

[Kyuss]

They can ask the league for an indication of compo in the 3 days they have to match.

I guess so. But seems every year clubs come out and say they aren't happy with the compo they get after a free agency move goes through.

 

[ibuprofen]

This is what I have said..and its seems to be missed by some..so maybe it will be behind the scenes.... the afl give them a heads up etc

No the AFL has stated many times they deliberately won't give the formula out as they don't want this type of thing to happen. They won't advise team or give any indications until a contract is signed AND they change the formula every year i.e. I think every year it becomes harder to get a certain band.

Crows are in delusion land. Never thought I'd say Essendon fans are more rational about Daniher than Crows about Crouch.

 

[darrenmorgan]

I’ve heard (rumours) today that both Crouch and Viney are coming, and we’ll offer Higgins 2 years. Is Selwood done perhaps?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

No the AFL has stated many times they deliberately won't give the formula out as they don't want this type of thing to happen. They won't advise team or give any indications until a contract is signed AND they change the formula every year i.e. I think every year it becomes harder to get a certain band.

Crows are in delusion land. Never thought I'd say Essendon fans are more rational about Daniher than Crows about Crouch.

Different concepts..they will never disclose what the formula is as that allows them to manipulate outcomes they want (see frawley) but they will give an idea of the likely compo pick beforr you decide to match (they did this with us and motlop).

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I’ve heard (rumours) today that both Crouch and Viney are coming, and we’ll offer Higgins 2 years. Is Selwood done perhaps?

He's contracted so no but we are phasing him into a more peripheral role.

 

[ibuprofen]

Different concepts..they will never disclose what the formula is as that allows them to manipulate outcomes they want (see frawley) but they will give an idea of the likely compo pick beforr you decide to match (they did this with us and motlop).

You get told what the compensation is. However, only after an offer sheet is signed. This notion Geelong can get advised what the compensation will be prior to signing is not possible. Its something they have deliberately sought not to do. Hence, a Crouch contract can't be altered to just sneak into Band 1 like some Crows fans are suggesting. I've seen so many times this be suggested by Crows fans but the AFL won't do that as it stuffs the system if they do.

 

[Landgraft]

Not specifically. But we went hard at Goldy last year, and you could hardly suggest that the prognosis for our current rucks has improved since then.

Rhys still missing too much footy, Fort not going to make the grade, and Rata looking well off the pace in recent games. Admittedly Sam De Koning might have promise in that role. But next year is too early for him to be asked to go in there and play a meaningful role.

So it's hard to see how we won't be looking somehow (whether it's trade or draft) to take a step forward in list quality for ruck stocks by the time 2021 rolls around.

I think given the kinds of names being discussed it's actually being quite harsh on Fort to say he won't make the grade. He had a better year than plenty of them did.

Would we still go for a quality ruck? Absolutely. But I think the reason we went hard at Goldstein wasn't so much desperation to fill the position as recognition that top end rucks are a scarce commodity and we won't get many chances to pick one up.

Obviously the kids aren't ready, unless Sav develops out of sight as a ruck option in preseason. But if we can't do better than the Preuss/Nankervis/CCJ types it doesn't seem worth doing the deal to me.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Is there any evidence the club is actually looking for a ruck? Or is it just speculative?

We have two on the list.
One is oft-injured 31yo the other is a State league player.
If we aren't looking at bringing in a Ruck, questions need to be asked of our list management

 

[Landgraft]

The definition of marginal is a key I agree but the offer to Goldy last year says we want another mature ruck if they are good enough to be worth it.

And I imagine given who will be available that's likely to be the sticking point. We as fans might feel better seeing action taken because the issue is real and frustrating, but if it's unlikely to actually save the problem the club needs to be more mature in their process.

 

[Larry Donohue]

I’ve heard (rumours) today that both Crouch and Viney are coming, and we’ll offer Higgins 2 years. Is Selwood done perhaps?

he's got another 5 hasn't he

 

[Landgraft]

We have two on the list.
One is oft-injured 31yo the other is a State league player.
If we aren't looking at bringing in a Ruck, questions need to be asked of our list management

I would have more questions about the club if they waste time and trade capital bringing in a non-starter than if they work with what have.

 

[Boxhead_31]

what did he say? ...something like

Think it was something along the lines of #WeFleeAsOne #feederclub

 

[Hamingja]

I guess so. But seems every year clubs come out and say they aren't happy with the compo they get after a free agency move goes through.

Easier to blame the AFL than their own mismanagement for losing the player in the first place. Keep the fans in line.

 

[Larry Donohue]

We have two on the list.
One is oft-injured 31yo the other is a State league player.
If we aren't looking at bringing in a Ruck, questions need to be asked of our list management

maybe they think schlensog and deKonning will fill the void with Ratagolea and greek freak heading up the tail

 

[thecatattack]

Man, they sound like that want him hey?