Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[catempire]

A bird in the hand? What happens if Bulldogs trade pick 23 to someone else and a group of players we like get taken between it and our next pick? I’m more inclined (if the price isn’t prohibitive) to just get it over and done with. Someone will jump if we don’t.

I’m not expecting Dogs to offload 23.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I’m not expecting Dogs to offload 23.

They will definitely offload it for points as they are expecting a darcy bid at 2 its just whether they offload it now or in the 5 minutes between when a bid is made on him and when they have to match.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Tbh it might be more likely we try to trade up to brisbanes picks (if wbd doesnt get done)as they need points for next year i can see us pairing up 22 and either our future 2nd or one of our future 3rds to try and get 14 or 18 (if they would do it of course). Im sure we will be looking at all options.

 

[year of the cat]

Tbh it might be more likely we try to trade up to brisbanes picks (if wbd doesnt get done)as they need points for next year i can see us pairing up 22 and either our future 2nd or one of our future 3rds to try and get 14 or 18 (if they would do it of course). Im sure we will be looking at all options.

If that was able to get you Goater then it would be tempting. Though a Knevitt/Taylor combo at 22/23 probably appeals to me more.

 

[Shadow89]

For anyone having trouble with figuring out our list spot sitch, this is how it currently stands:

Constable (senior)
Taheny (senior)
Jenkins (senior)
Jarvis (senior)
Kreuger (senior)
Clark (senior)
Fort (senior)

= 7 senior spots

- 1 senior spot:

Ceglar

= 6 senior spots

Likely to take Stengle and maybe one DFA like Schlensog or Brander, leaving us with 4 picks - as Pure_Ownage alluded to.

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We currently have 5 senior picks and our rookie picks (including a Cat B if we want a free swing):

22, 30, 32, 34 and 50.

After bids (picks drifting out and coming back in from Pies and Dogs), these are likely to be our picks:

25, 32, 34, 36, 43

As you can see, if we take all 5 picks but take no DFA's, then we're missing the opportunity to trade up for essentially nothing - if we value someone like Schlensog higher than a later speculative pick.

Altogether, we'll have 5 senior spots (after Stengle takes one), 2 rookie spots (left vacated by Henderson and Brownless), and a Cat B spot if we want to take someone there too.

Gives us a max of 8 new players on the list, with it likely to be 6 IMO, once we take a DFA, trade up and don't take a Cat B - as there's no-one I've heard of that's been linked.

As I said earlier, gonna be so interesting to see how we play this, as there are so many decent DFA's and not enough list spots to take all the ones that could be good. Wish we could move Dahl to a rookie spot, but apparently that screws us with the cap.

Hope that helps for anyone who might be a bit confused about the state of play/how some of us are coming up with our scenarios/draft hypotheticals

 

[catempire]

They will definitely offload it for points as they are expecting a darcy bid at 2 its just whether they offload it now or in the 5 minutes between when a bid is made on him and when they have to match.

We will see. Remember they split 17 into 23 and change. They might want 2022 picks but I’m not sure they want more 2021 picks.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Currently we have 6 senior list spots so we could add stengle and a tall as dfas and still take 4 picks.

Ah yes I forgot Chook

Unless it's a ready to go kpd I'll take Stengle and 5 mids please

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Tbh it might be more likely we try to trade up to brisbanes picks (if wbd doesnt get done)as they need points for next year i can see us pairing up 22 and either our future 2nd or one of our future 3rds to try and get 14 or 18 (if they would do it of course). Im sure we will be looking at all options.

22 and Carlton's f3rd?

I'll see myself out

 

[Two Planks]

22 and Carlton's f3rd?

I'll see myself out

Now wouldn't that be funny

 

[foodles05]

Gotta admit, this is probably the strongest crop of possible DFA's that I've seen in a very long time.

Off the top of my head, these are all players worthy of consideration for a second shot, IMO:

Brander
Schlensog
Woodcock
Dumont
Hore
Naish
Garthwaite
Gleeson
Lienert
Eggmolesse-Smith
M. Ling
Gibbons
Sier
Cavarra
Lonie
Taheny (us)
Constable (us)
Rantall
Cousins

...and these are just the players from clubs that have delisted players of note. Still plenty of clubs left/list finalizations to be completed.

Just goes to show how the list squeeze/caps, is/are pushing out players who formerly would have been near guarantees to stick around

It just goes to show if you are small and not one right out of the box you don't make it. Also if you are a one paced mid same thing.

 

[calder_daddy]

For anyone having trouble with figuring out our list spot sitch, this is how it currently stands:

Constable (senior)
Taheny (senior)
Jenkins (senior)
Jarvis (senior)
Kreuger (senior)
Clark (senior)
Fort (senior)

= 7 senior spots

- 1 senior spot:

Ceglar

= 6 senior spots

Likely to take Stengle and maybe one DFA like Schlensog or Brander, leaving us with 4 picks - as Pure_Ownage alluded to.

*******************

We currently have 5 senior picks and our rookie picks (including a Cat B if we want a free swing):

23, 30, 32, 34 and 50.

After bids (picks drifting out and coming back in from Pies and Dogs), these are likely to be our picks:

25, 32, 34, 36, 43

As you can see, if we take all 5 picks but take no DFA's, then we're missing the opportunity to trade up for essentially nothing - if we value someone like Schlensog higher than a later speculative pick.

Altogether, we'll have 5 senior spots (after Stengle takes one), 2 rookie spots (left vacated by Henderson and Brownless), and a Cat B spot if we want to take someone there too.

Gives us a max of 8 new players on the list, with it likely to be 6 IMO, once we take a DFA, trade up and don't take a Cat B - as there's no-one I've heard of that's been linked.

As I said earlier, gonna be so interesting to see how we play this, as there are so many decent DFA's and not enough list spots to take all the ones that could be good. Wish we could move Dahl to a rookie spot, but apparently that screws us with the cap.

Hope that helps for anyone who might be a bit confused about the state of play/how some of us are coming up with our scenarios/draft hypotheticals

Great write up

 

[foodles05]

It just goes to show if you are small and not one right out of the box you don't make it. Also if you are a one paced mid same thing.

I think he tested a lot better than I thought but Cooper stephens better not be one of the latter. Anyone have his times cause i am worried he just a good ordinary mid who doesn't move that well.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

We have enough areas of obvious need without looking to try to find a way to wangle him in.

Agree - I'd rather we kept Kreuger than chase him as a forward.

 

[Shadow89]

I think he tested a lot better than I thought but Cooper stephens better not be one of the latter. Anyone have his times cause i am worried he just a good ordinary mid who doesn't move that well.

AFL Draft Combine results

NAB League Boys players recorded the top results among all participants in each physical test at this week’s NAB AFL Draft Combine in Melbourne.

www.afl.com.au

14th in the running vertical leap
7th in the 2km time trial
Equal 1st in the yo, yo test

Pretty decent results for a taller mid, IMO.

 

[OzeSparky]

I think he tested a lot better than I thought but Cooper stephens better not be one of the latter. Anyone have his times cause i am worried he just a good ordinary mid who doesn't move that well.

AFL Draft Combine results

NAB League Boys players recorded the top results among all participants in each physical test at this week’s NAB AFL Draft Combine in Melbourne.

www.afl.com.au

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If that was able to get you Goater then it would be tempting. Though a Knevitt/Taylor combo at 22/23 probably appeals to me more.

I agree which is why we might want to see how the order unfolds on the night and then live trade. If a pick in the mid teens would get you goater or sonsie or rachele or johnson (to name a few i like) then id definitely trade up at the right price whereas if they are all gone having 22/23 or 22 and the 30s picks might be better.

With the caveat that we cant carry all 5 picks into the night if we only had 4 list spots so we would have to do a trade up before the night in that scenario or lose the 5th pick.

 

[Kitcat]

For anyone having trouble with figuring out our list spot sitch, this is how it currently stands:

Constable (senior)
Taheny (senior)
Jenkins (senior)
Jarvis (senior)
Kreuger (senior)
Clark (senior)
Fort (senior)

= 7 senior spots

- 1 senior spot:

Ceglar

= 6 senior spots

Likely to take Stengle and maybe one DFA like Schlensog or Brander, leaving us with 4 picks - as Pure_Ownage alluded to.

*******************

We currently have 5 senior picks and our rookie picks (including a Cat B if we want a free swing):

22, 30, 32, 34 and 50.

After bids (picks drifting out and coming back in from Pies and Dogs), these are likely to be our picks:

25, 32, 34, 36, 43

As you can see, if we take all 5 picks but take no DFA's, then we're missing the opportunity to trade up for essentially nothing - if we value someone like Schlensog higher than a later speculative pick.

Altogether, we'll have 5 senior spots (after Stengle takes one), 2 rookie spots (left vacated by Henderson and Brownless), and a Cat B spot if we want to take someone there too.

Gives us a max of 8 new players on the list, with it likely to be 6 IMO, once we take a DFA, trade up and don't take a Cat B - as there's no-one I've heard of that's been linked.

As I said earlier, gonna be so interesting to see how we play this, as there are so many decent DFA's and not enough list spots to take all the ones that could be good. Wish we could move Dahl to a rookie spot, but apparently that screws us with the cap.

Hope that helps for anyone who might be a bit confused about the state of play/how some of us are coming up with our scenarios/draft hypotheticals

Thanks for that. The AFL said on 4 August 2021 that clubs will not be able to move primary listed players to the rookie list between the first and second list lodgment periods to open up senior spots, which was permitted last season.
Clubs will "...be able to shift players on the senior list to the rookie list in the time between the national draft and rookie drafts if the player is contracted for 2022." It doesn't sound like we can use that to get DFA players on to the senior list and at the same time keep all our draft picks, unless we can still get DFAs after the draft ends.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Not sure we could/should add both Schlensog and Brander to the main list. Would be happy to add one to the rookie list but they might not be there then.

 

[BigCat1]

22 and Carlton's f3rd?

I'll see myself out

We’d need them to throw in a F4

 

[BigCat1]

Not sure we could/should add both Schlensog and Brander to the main list. Would be happy to add one to the rookie list but they might not be there then.

Absolutely.

Plan A bundle
Plan B trade a 30’s on the night for a F2nd of a team we feel will miss the 8.
Plan C take the 5 picks under 45

All three great scenarios.

 

[ShaunWDT]

Not sure we could/should add both Schlensog and Brander to the main list. Would be happy to add one to the rookie list but they might not be there then.

I dont think id add either to the senior list to be honest, weve got a decent draft hand I dont want to fill list spots with a 23 year old thats shown next to nothing or a bloke we decided wasnt good enough only 12 months ago, sincerely hoping we just go to the draft this year.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

What nonsense. Selwood is far from the player he once was and Parfitt consistently has to sacrifice his game to cover other the defensive deficiencies of other mids. Neither had especially good years. Parfitt can improve with more responsibility though.

5 seasons in and still can't average 20 touches a game. Piss poor for a midfielder.

Parfitt literally just produced a season equivalent to what Joel just did and is getting slammed for it.

Stop just looking at individual stats like that's the only thing that matters. Maybe look at the prelim final (or the second half of the semi final), how easily our opponents walked it out of stoppages and think about how bad our midfield would've looked if we'd spent the entire year without guys like Parfitt and O'Connor covering our other mids deficiencies.

You and I were watching different Geelong's.
Selwood on fumes was better than all but Danger, Duncan (when they played) and Guthrie.

Parfitt, Narkle, Menegola had inferior year than a veteran many say is cooked.

You said:

"I can’t engage with a starting premise that finishing 8th in a B&F is “pretty bad”. Utter nonsense."

So how did you rate Blicavs year given he finished 6th?

Looking at your recent views on him you seem to think he had a pretty bad year. Is that opinion also "utter nonsense"? Or did you think he had a good year despite all your criticism of him? Or are you being completely inconsistent?

With respect, CE has schooled you here.
His point was coherent and accurate.

A bird in the hand? What happens if Bulldogs trade pick 23 to someone else and a group of players we like get taken between it and our next pick? I’m more inclined (if the price isn’t prohibitive) to just get it over and done with. Someone will jump if we don’t.

Rather the 2 picks in the 30s tbh. Given our recent track record having 2 cracks is better than one.
From 2nd round to pick 40

2011: Hamling, Kersten
2012: N/A
2013: Jarred Jansen
2014: N/A
2015: N/A
2016: Parfitt, Stewart
2017: Fogarty, Kelly, Constable
2018: N/A
2019: N/A
2020: Neale

I'd give a pass to Stewart and Kelly only.
Add in Round 1 selections in that time and Woof! Have we had a lot of misses.

Adds weight to CE's churn and burn theory. So I'd rather more picks to better the chances of getting a hit in an area of the draft we have had little success in during recent seasons.

 

[foxdog50]

Has anyone in the media done a 2021 AFL phantom draft? As I can't see anything out there....

 

[Two Planks]

Has anyone in the media done a 2021 AFL phantom draft? As I can't see anything out there....

Jay Clark did a top 10 yesterday, most of the guys with the better knowledge won't do anything until the days before.

 

[Cat Addict]

22 and Carlton's f3rd?

I'll see myself out

22 and our future 3rd. Bank the change