Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Kobe Gryant]

This is a reach.

He's just as likely to win another premiership next year here as he is at Melbourne.

Vdubs will argue against that, but ask the Melbourne supporters. They watch them every week, and know they've got holes everywhere. Question marks on the coach too.

It's a wide open competition. It's not the time to be 'ring chasing' as they say in the states, there's no dominant team who you can lock in for a flag next year.

The whole conversation is ridiculous anyway as he's staying...but if he was to go, he's not going to be joining a Richmond, Hawthorn or Geelong of years goneby.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Seriously, where do I sign??

North's F1 is guaranteed to be top 3, which would cause some epic opposition meltdowns following our 2024 flag.

I'd assume in that hypothetical it would be one of Norf's fixed future firsts towards the end of the round.

If it was their future first, it would be us giving away the bulk of assets to get that. They're an absolute shambles and have to worry about even being competitive before they worry about winning.

Something like 7 for 14, 19 and 19 next year seems more likely, and far less appealing.

 

[Lingsface]

You can pick up depth late in the draft.

There's an argument to be had that spending high picks on ruckman is a pointless exercise. To do it twice in 3 years is ridiculous.

You just end up with one of them getting minutes, and the other shipped off for nothing eventually (Witts, Meek, Lycett)

Meek and Lycett where both traded for close on or higher picks than 24.

I don’t think it is going for depth when both are not proven and like De Koning 200cm Backmen are not rare nowadays if necessary.

Charlie Edwards could be good to fill the role that Isaac Smith has left open he would be perfect for this.

The last pick will be interesting I liked the look of Sanchez in the championships and also Philictades looked quite a smooth mover, I was wanting ZZ here but the attention lately will see him be a possible 2nd rounder now I think.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

You don't need an elite ruckman to win a flag, but you need elite midfielders and KPPs to win one. So, let's get the type of players that win flags.

 

[year of the cat]

If we are any chance to get Sanders then we should hold the pick. He is exactly what we need. No need to trade prior to the draft. If he’s gone by our pick THEN look at both what we are offered and who’s likely to be available at our new first pick.

 

[FootyLad0]

You don't need an elite ruckman to win a flag, but you need elite midfielders and KPPs to win one. So, let's get the type of players that win flags.

That’s why if he’s there and Sanders is gone, I’m huge on O’Sullivan.
Can play KPD and KPF.

ZZ Top is our Blics replacement in waiting

 

[Lingsface]

You don't need an elite ruckman to win a flag, but you need elite midfielders and KPPs to win one. So, let's get the type of players that win flags.

Elite- Pick 8 maybe
Pick 23- Not likely
I don’t buy the hype that a ruckman doesn’t help though.
We took an “elite” midfielder last year we will take one this year with a similar pick.
The KPP players in this draft are not a high standard either - Curtin is the height doesn’t play like one though more of a versatile type, Caddy is the closest thing and he has big question marks from a lot.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

If we are any chance to get Sanders then we should hold the pick. He is exactly what we need. No need to trade prior to the draft. If he’s gone by our pick THEN look at both what we are offered and who’s likely to be available at our new first pick.

100%

He's priority number one to help us next year, and for 15 years after that.

If he's gone, then slide back and pick up Wilson if he's there.

 

[moond0g]

Yes my main point is it’s very hard to sustain the dual objectives of free agency and equalisation. It’s a compromise.

I'm in the minority around here that thinks equalisation is a good thing, although maybe the AFL don't do it as efficiently as they can.

the FA compo is only a huge problem when a very good but not A++ player leaves a bottom four club (like Mckay), then the compo seems way overs. The easiest way would be for band 1 compo to be mid-first round for clubs that missed finals, and after the round one pick for finalists. So roos get pick 10, but if his brother left carlton, for example, they'd get 18. that way poorer clubs still get more compo, but the top of draft isn't completely compromised where a club might get pick 2. The other obvious change is for length of contract to be considered. A six year deal should net more compo than a 2 year deal, even if the $$ per year are the same.

But the competition is so compromised already, so the AFL need to actively try and make it more equal rather than sit back and get out the way. I just don't think they've got it organised as well as they can at the moment.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Elite- Pick 8 maybe
Pick 23- Not likely
I don’t buy the hype that a ruckman doesn’t help though.
We took an “elite” midfielder last year we will take one this year with a similar pick.
The KPP players in this draft are not a high standard either - Curtin is the height doesn’t play like one though more of a versatile type, Caddy is the closest thing and he has big question marks from a lot.

It just doesn't make sense mate. We've got our gun ruckman in waiting already.

If we needed depth, guys like Flynn or Sweet make far more sense.

The build that most clubs go for is the one that works. You have your number one ruckman (Stanley), the guy you expect to replace him (Conway), and the developing player who's a hit in hope (Furphy).

If we want more, we'll pick up another towards the end of the draft.

As of right now though, players like Sanders, O'Sullivan, Wilson, C Edwards, Hastie, & ZZ are higher priorities for our list.

There's going to be a lot going out in the coming years, we can't be wasting picks on players who won't be AFL ready for 4 years in a position we've already invested a high pick in.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Harmes wants to get to Footscray.

Another who wants to play VFL.

North offering 14 and a Future 1st for pick Gold Coasts pick 10.

Surely we would do 7 for 14, F1 and pick either 19 this year or next.

We have a lot of players to replace. I have much more confidence with the scatter approach. All of our best drafts have involved clusters of picks

Hitting the draft with 14, 19 and 23 (Esava) this year and then having our Future 1, 2nd and North Future 1st is surely a better outcome.

Gold Coast potentially turning pick 4 into 14, 17, WB future 1st and Norths F1s is pretty damn handy.

Are North crazy? That's a terrible trade.

Take 23 for Esava and if Edwards is available then take him, let’s spend a bit on a ruck for once he is a guaranteed decent ruckman and I would love to know that we have that for 10 years for Esava who is genuinely crap.

We've already drafted Conway who'll be a better player.

I see Edwards as a lot better player.

I don't.

I’m a fan of Charlie Edwards, I don’t want to get rid of Conway I would like 2 on the list .

Charlie Edwards is a midfielder. You mean Mitch?

 

[moond0g]

I am happy to role with Conway, I don’t want us drafting another ruck with an early pick.

If the club wants another ruck for depth take a speculative shot with a later pick.

Rucks are a random anyway look at the top rucks in the AFL, how many were high draft picks?

I think we should ideally have another ruck as backup for next year. But we can get away with someone really cheap, so can probably just add a state leaguer in the rookie draft or SSP. Even if we drafted someone this year, they wouldn't be ready to play next year anyway.

The only caveat would be if the club sees Neale as a viable ruck option. It seems not, but with him and Blitz we could probably get through the year.

 

[00VicWard001]

He's an inoffensive harmless idiot, and his role on Trade Radio is to come up with ridiculous mega trades than then do exactly what they have here... get people talking and reacting to it, and it fills a content slot for Hutchy

Actually, it is aimed at the lowest common denominator. You’re so right. Designed to just fill time and get talkback to happen

 

[Lingsface]

It just doesn't make sense mate. We've got our gun ruckman in waiting already.

If we needed depth, guys like Flynn or Sweet make far more sense.

The build that most clubs go for is the one that works. You have your number one ruckman (Stanley), the guy you expect to replace him (Conway), and the developing player who's a hit in hope (Furphy).

If we want more, we'll pick up another towards the end of the draft.

As of right now though, players like Sanders, O'Sullivan, Wilson, C Edwards, Hastie, & ZZ are higher priorities for our list.

There's going to be a lot going out in the coming years, we can't be wasting picks on players who won't be AFL ready for 4 years in a position we've already invested a high pick in.

I see where you are coming from, I just think he is a steal at 23, but you are quite right in your thinking.
Players at 23- Who do you want?
C Edwards, Moir, Wilson, Rogers, Stevens, Windsor ?
all of them are solid footballers.

 

[Lingsface]

Another who wants to play VFL.

Are North crazy? That's a terrible trade.

We've already drafted Conway who'll be a better player.

I don't.

Charlie Edwards is a midfielder. You mean Mitch?

no the previous poster had mentioned Charlie.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I'm not big on McAuliffe. The SANFL U18 comp is very weak, if you're any good you're playing reserves or league. With his size (189cm, 90kg) he should be dominating that level. Here were his numbers:

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I am. Great kid.
Disappointing year as he carried a few niggles that didn't let have a clear run at it at any real time.
Sometimes the stats don't actually tell the entire story.
For me... he'll be a good get for whoever gets him.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I see where you are coming from, I just think he is a steal at 23, but you are quite right in your thinking.
Players at 23- Who do you want?
C Edwards, Moir, Wilson, Rogers, Stevens, Windsor ?
all of them are solid footballers.

It all depends on who we pick at 7 for mine.

If we get Sanders, I'd be going ZZ at 23 as he looks like a bit of a bolter. We'd hopefully have our Danger & Blitz replacements with that.

If he's gone, I'd take O'Sullivan if he's there, and take C Edwards or Stevens at 23. If O'Sullivan's gone, I'd go Wilson and then ZZ.

Basically I just want the best midfielder available, and the best key back prospect.

We're expecting Smith, and/or Cadman/JUH to be in our sights next year, so that'll be forward replacements and we're back where we belong by 2026/2027.

 

[year of the cat]

100%

He's priority number one to help us next year, and for 15 years after that.

If he's gone, then slide back and pick up Wilson if he's there.

Just don’t want to slide back and miss him as well. Have to be careful not to over play the game.

 

[AM]

Out of favour Brandan Parfitt explored a move away from Geelong before recommitting to the club, and will see out his contract at the Cats.

The 25 year old is contracted until the end of 2024, having signed a two-year deal in August 2022, but has struggled to find a home in Geelong’s best side.

Parfitt only played nine games in 2023, a drop from the 17 in 2022 and 23 in 2021, having been pushed out of the midfield rotation with new recruit Tanner Bruhn and young star Max Holmes earning minutes in the centre square.

TLA player agent Tim Lawrence, who looks after Parfitt, said on AFL Trade Radio the midfielder explored a potential departure.

“We did consider that with Brandan, and I had discussions with Andrew Mackie about it,” he said.

“He’s not playing, where does it all sit, is this the right place to be?

“Just because there’s interest from an AFL club, it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily going to work well for the player.

“It’s nice to have clubs ring, but is that actually going to work well for the player?

“You then need to do a lot of research on where the list is at, where does the player fit into, where they’re heading and all those sorts of things.
“
We went through that process and we spoke to some clubs, but ultimately at the end of the day Brandan was really good, he actually said: ‘do you know what, if I left Geelong and went to 17 other clubs, I am no guarantee to walk into any midfield or into any team’.

“The grass isn’t always greener on the other side.”

Parfitt arrived at Geelong in the 2016 draft, with the Cats selecting the Northern Territory prospect with the 26th selection at the draft.

He averaged 12.7 disposals, 5.6 tackles and 2.1 clearances per game in 2023, having played five of his nine games as the starting substitute.

Parfitt was also the starting substitute in the Cats’ 2022 premiership win, having come into the squad with Holmes suffering a heartbreak injury the week before.
Lawrence said Parfitt was working on increasing his endurance, with his aerobic capacity a glaring weakness during his career so far.

“He’s working really hard on his running capacity, we reckon it can be better,” he said.

“If you’ve got a problem with the way you play or what you’re doing, it’s going to catch up with you again anyway.

“You’ve got to sort this stuff out, you can’t run away from it.”

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

I don’t buy the hype that a ruckman doesn’t help, though.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying any ruckman will do. You still need one who can compete (Like Stanley), you just don't really need a Gawn, Grundy, or English level of ruckman. Those guys are a luxury if you have them, but getting that type should not be the focus of recruiting. Getting midfielders and KPPs who can win you flags should be.

 

[moond0g]

We're expecting Smith, and/or Cadman/JUH to be in our sights next year, so that'll be forward replacements and we're back where we belong by 2026/2027.

These names are thrown up a bit. But there’s nothing credible to suggest Cadman or JUH are being targeted or likely to leave.

Plus I can’t see how we, or any other club, would have the draft capital to get trades for Smith and Cadman/JUH done in the same year. The only way I see us getting two players of that calibre is if at least one of them is a FA

 

[BORIS332]

Out of favour Brandan Parfitt explored a move away from Geelong before recommitting to the club, and will see out his contract at the Cats.

The 25 year old is contracted until the end of 2024, having signed a two-year deal in August 2022, but has struggled to find a home in Geelong’s best side.

Parfitt only played nine games in 2023, a drop from the 17 in 2022 and 23 in 2021, having been pushed out of the midfield rotation with new recruit Tanner Bruhn and young star Max Holmes earning minutes in the centre square.

TLA player agent Tim Lawrence, who looks after Parfitt, said on AFL Trade Radio the midfielder explored a potential departure.

“We did consider that with Brandan, and I had discussions with Andrew Mackie about it,” he said.

“He’s not playing, where does it all sit, is this the right place to be?

“Just because there’s interest from an AFL club, it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily going to work well for the player.

“It’s nice to have clubs ring, but is that actually going to work well for the player?

“You then need to do a lot of research on where the list is at, where does the player fit into, where they’re heading and all those sorts of things.
“
We went through that process and we spoke to some clubs, but ultimately at the end of the day Brandan was really good, he actually said: ‘do you know what, if I left Geelong and went to 17 other clubs, I am no guarantee to walk into any midfield or into any team’.

“The grass isn’t always greener on the other side.”

Parfitt arrived at Geelong in the 2016 draft, with the Cats selecting the Northern Territory prospect with the 26th selection at the draft.

He averaged 12.7 disposals, 5.6 tackles and 2.1 clearances per game in 2023, having played five of his nine games as the starting substitute.

Parfitt was also the starting substitute in the Cats’ 2022 premiership win, having come into the squad with Holmes suffering a heartbreak injury the week before.
Lawrence said Parfitt was working on increasing his endurance, with his aerobic capacity a glaring weakness during his career so far.

“He’s working really hard on his running capacity, we reckon it can be better,” he said.

“If you’ve got a problem with the way you play or what you’re doing, it’s going to catch up with you again anyway.

“You’ve got to sort this stuff out, you can’t run away from it.”

Parf is one of my favourites but he's had seven seasons to build his running capacity. The good thing is there is a spot for him there if he wants it, and there's young guys like Clark, Clohesy, Knevitt that want it too.

 

[Lingsface]

It all depends on who we pick at 7 for mine.

If we get Sanders, I'd be going ZZ at 23 as he looks like a bit of a bolter. We'd hopefully have our Danger & Blitz replacements with that.

If he's gone, I'd take O'Sullivan if he's there, and take C Edwards or Stevens at 23. If O'Sullivan's gone, I'd go Wilson and then ZZ.

Basically I just want the best midfielder available, and the best key back prospect.

We're expecting Smith, and/or Cadman/JUH to be in our sights next year, so that'll be forward replacements and we're back where we belong by 2026/2027.

I think Key Backs is quite solid atm, Jack Henry missed a lot of football but we have SDK and Stewart is still winning all aus and Best and Fairests.

I’m a big fan of ZZ he was not really even on the radar 3 months ago to be picked up but is bolting, loves his competitiveness and can pinch hit in the ruck very well.

I wish we had a 35-40 pick and could snag him there though! There just seems to be some genuine classy footballers at 23 still that I would probably lean towards over him.

I think a Key Forward would be very handy in the draft but I don’t really see anyone that jumps out at me, next year Hamish Davis looks good from WA.

Rogers looks like a very complete midfielder just a little small, do you know much about him?

 

[AM]

Parf is one of my favourites but he's had seven seasons to build his running capacity. The good thing is there is a spot for him there if he wants it, and there's young guys like Clark, Clohesy, Knevitt that want it too.

All are very similar to Parf. I'm hoping Dempsey gets into the gym, cos he's got leg speed.

 

[Vdubs]

This is a reach.

No, it was a genuine question with a ?