Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[Commando]

I sure hope not. If we're putting the feelers out for Pies players then maybe they're looking for steak knives

I posted a few weeks ago that I have a gut feel Holmes will leave

I hope I am wrong but I'm mentally preparing for it early and if he stays it's a bonus...

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We at least for the most part try to live in reality

Speak for yourself!

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I posted a few weeks ago that I have a gut feel Holmes will leave

I hope I am wrong but I'm mentally preparing for it early and if he stays it's a bonus...

I've been through the whole stages of grief thing and I'm now either certain he's staying or stuck on denial

 

[CatToTheFuture]

IS THIS THE TRUE "MYSTERY MID"

Since former "mystery mid" REDACTED NAME was cut from North Melbourne...

The real mystery was the nature of the new police investigation

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I could see us being interested purely because of the list turnover we're going to see over the next couple years.

Over the next 24 months odds are all of Duncan, Dangerfield, Hawkins, Blicavs, Touhy, Bews, Stanley, & Rohan are going to be out the door.

On injury alone, we probably have to throw Guthrie senior into that category now too, while guys like Parfitt are unlikely to be kept around.

We're either going to be replacing them with high draft picks, players like Smith, JUH, and whoever else...or a bit of both, but that won't be all of it done and dusted.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is do the club see a 22/23 year old Finn Macrae as a better option to have on the list than pick 50+ in the draft? I'd assume they would.

The law of averages would suggest he probably is too, and I could see why he could appeal in that sense.

It all depends on what we see him as I suppose. If we think he's the missing link (which I doubt) I'm of the view that we're completely delusional and have bought into the unjustified hype.

If we just see him as a means to an end while we transition the list though, well that's a very different story.

Would be hilarious if we simply asked the question as a possible steak knives option in a Holmes trade then Holmes stays and the brain worm we planted leads to him requesting a trade to us.

 

[Vdubs]

I posted a few weeks ago that I have a gut feel Holmes will leave

I hope I am wrong but I'm mentally preparing for it early and if he stays it's a bonus...

He'll have less chance playing in their MF than ours.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If I remember correctly C Scott has said a few times that being a good player on the field is #1 for a captain.

I'd say Stewart is very likely the next captain

Depends on when danger hands it over. If stewart is to be captain it has to be in 2025 from 2026 onwards he would be too old (as would atkins) and we would look to a younger player i think.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Holmes is not going to collingwood.

 

[FootyLad0]

Holmes is not going to collingwood.

I like the confidence, what gives you the idea he's a certainty to stay?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I like the confidence, what gives you the idea he's a certainty to stay?

I didnt say he was staying.

 

[Turbocat]

It's hard to think of a more overhyped player. Not saying he can't be any good but 20+ year old
olds stuck in the VFL generally don't receive the sort of attention he has.

Maybe Cumberland who is supposedly a star but multiple coaches have now left in the VFL. At least he showed a bit at AFL level at one point. MacRae has barely even played.

Anyone heard we are into Finn McRae?

Few teams probably are

Is Fmac over hyped? Maybe ... but I cant say I have heard much in official media till this offseason. Perhaps he is ready to go bang... perhaps he is just another of a high hopes draftee that fails at his first club ..thru either a lack of opportunity or a lack of capability.

The thing id say is we seem to like the 2020 draft. He would fit the group we have started to build. If he does want out ..with the amount of games he is played I doubt he gets his draft value in trade... he was drafted alongside Holmes so as it stands ..he has lost value to him. If we were forced to trade him to Pies..then it would take FinMac and some id have thought ... but a very good 2024 might change that.

 

[Turbocat]

I could see us being interested purely because of the list turnover we're going to see over the next couple years.

Over the next 24 months odds are all of Duncan, Dangerfield, Hawkins, Blicavs, Touhy, Bews, Stanley, & Rohan are going to be out the door.

On injury alone, we probably have to throw Guthrie senior into that category now too, while guys like Parfitt are unlikely to be kept around.

We're either going to be replacing them with high draft picks, players like Smith, JUH, and whoever else...or a bit of both, but that won't be all of it done and dusted.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is do the club see a 22/23 year old Finn Macrae as a better option to have on the list than pick 50+ in the draft? I'd assume they would.

The law of averages would suggest he probably is too, and I could see why he could appeal in that sense.

It all depends on what we see him as I suppose. If we think he's the missing link (which I doubt) I'm of the view that we're completely delusional and have bought into the unjustified hype.

If we just see him as a means to an end while we transition the list though, well that's a very different story.

That type of player makes sense. If we compare a player thats been in system to a draftee ..then you probably get a player thats ready to play compared to one that will take time. Bruhn . I think GWS picked Darcy Jones with our Bruhn pick...probably a good kid but yet to play.

Its about sorting the trades that are worth it. I doubt Fin is P50 ... but he is he better than an R2 that will take time to groom and develop. Did Mackie and Wells like Fin in his draft year .. if so tehn maybe how he has gone so far at the Pies is less relevant to their judgement.

 

[Catastrophe!]

Heard from an unreliable source, so take with a grain of salt.
But they do have a Collingwood connection, maybe just an age profile thing?

We keep collecting players from that draft - would not surprise me in the least.

Fin Macrae is actually really highly rated internally at Collingwood, and apparently as a junior was considered the 'better Macrae.'

Wouldn't be averse to him coming at all. Development done, and a good size to complement Jhye, Tanner and Max. Good off both feet too. If he costs a second, why not?

 

[D BRIDGE]

Fin Macrae is actually really highly rated internally at Collingwood, and apparently as a junior was considered the 'better Macrae.'

Their draft positions indicate that is incorrect.

 

[Catastrophe!]

Their draft positions indicate that is incorrect.

Lol, simplistic analysis. Or, if someone like Jack Macrae was picked in that draft, he would have gone much lower given the game has changed so much since his draft.

I'm only going off what Jack himself, and underage scouts said.

Ollie Henry was considered the most talented of the Falcons draft crop by his own coach, and was taken 5 picks after Bruhn.

Gulden was taken at Pick 32
Stewart was taken at Pick 40

Etc. etc.

Lot of factors to consider, rather than just a draft position difference, 8 years apart - in completely different football eras with completely different requirements.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Lol, simplistic analysis. Or, if someone like Jack Macrae was picked in that draft, he would have gone much lower given the game has changed so much since his draft.

I'm only going off what Jack himself, and underage scouts said.

Ollie Henry was considered the most talented of the Falcons draft crop by his own coach, and was taken 5 picks after Bruhn.

Gulden was taken at Pick 32
Stewart was taken at Pick 40

Etc. etc.

Lot of factors to consider, rather than just a draft position difference, 8 years apart - in completely different football eras with completely different requirements.

The other factor is he's played 12 games in 3 years at a club that has the likes of Pat Lipinski running through their midfield every week.

I won't write the kid off entirely, but let's not pretend he's some elite prospect.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Lol, simplistic analysis. Or, if someone like Jack Macrae was picked in that draft, he would have gone much lower given the game has changed so much since his draft.

I'm only going off what Jack himself, and underage scouts said.

Ollie Henry was considered the most talented of the Falcons draft crop by his own coach, and was taken 5 picks after Bruhn.

Gulden was taken at Pick 32
Stewart was taken at Pick 40

Etc. etc.

Lot of factors to consider, rather than just a draft position difference, 8 years apart - in completely different football eras with completely different requirements.

You said “apparently as a junior he was considered the better McRae”.

I just do not think he ever was.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The other factor is he's played 12 games in 3 years at a club that has the likes of Pat Lipinski running through their midfield every week.

I won't write the kid off entirely, but let's not pretend he's some elite prospect.

Hey, the Pies need Lipinski in the seniors so they sell their full calendar quota to lonely ladies.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The other factor is he's played 12 games in 3 years at a club that has the likes of Pat Lipinski running through their midfield every week.

I won't write the kid off entirely, but let's not pretend he's some elite prospect.

I will add though his vfl numbers look alright though pretty handball heavy.

I'll admit to not really watching him at all then add "he could be handy cheap" with that statement having sufficient grey areas that it'll never be wrong

 

[Catastrophe!]

You said “apparently as a junior he was considered the better McRae”.

I just do not think he ever was.

Yeah, well you know what, I think I'll trust Cal Twomey and his own brother, over your 'opinion', hey?

Class of 2020: Why Finlay Macrae edges out brother Jack in draft stakes

Victorian draft prospect Finlay Macrae talks about his football journey and reflects on advice from his brother, Western Bulldogs star, Jack Macrae.

www.afl.com.au

The Collingwood draftee who could be “more skilful” than star brother

“He’s really enjoyed his start to his career."

www.sen.com.au

 

[BORIS332]

Yeah, well you know what, I think I'll trust Cal Twomey and his own brother, over your 'opinion', hey?

Class of 2020: Why Finlay Macrae edges out brother Jack in draft stakes

Victorian draft prospect Finlay Macrae talks about his football journey and reflects on advice from his brother, Western Bulldogs star, Jack Macrae.

www.afl.com.au

The Collingwood draftee who could be “more skilful” than star brother

“He’s really enjoyed his start to his career."

www.sen.com.au

Did you visit either of those links? Neither of them suggest Finlay is/was a better player than Jack.

 

[goyoucatters]

Yeah, well you know what, I think I'll trust Cal Twomey and his own brother, over your 'opinion', hey?

Class of 2020: Why Finlay Macrae edges out brother Jack in draft stakes

Victorian draft prospect Finlay Macrae talks about his football journey and reflects on advice from his brother, Western Bulldogs star, Jack Macrae.

www.afl.com.au

The Collingwood draftee who could be “more skilful” than star brother

“He’s really enjoyed his start to his career."

www.sen.com.au

Cal, I can understand. But what's the go with trusting Twomey's brother? I didn't even know he followed football...

 

[Catastrophe!]

Did you visit either of those links? Neither of them suggest Finlay is/was a better player than Jack.

Lol, ffs. Twomey himself said 'tracking better at a similar age.' Macrae's brother said in the article “He’s probably more skilful and a bit more versatile (than me) I think,” Jack Macrae said on Sportsday about his younger brother.

That's all I originally said. Christ you people are annoying.

 

[catempire]

Find some mids.

 

[petrolium]

I didnt say he was staying.

Holmes is staying 100%. Take it to the Bendigo bank.