Play Nice Goal Umpire costs Adelaide a shot at finals, how do you stop it from happening again?

[PowerBaz]

Sydney got possession of the ball so about the same thing

Yeah nah.

 

[SC_Power]

Without umpires there is no sport.

Umpires are human they make mistakes. Every game has them.

Accepting the umpire decision is fundamental requirement for playing sport. If you cannot do that you should perhaps do something else with your time.

They are doing their best. And sure there are some really bad calls.

You shake the opposition hands, congratulate them shake the umpires hands go have a beer or whatever.

Its sport.

Anyone can accept umpires decision when it favors your side or it;s right.

The test of being a good sport is accepting it when it's staggeringly wrong.

And unfortunately you need to experience one of those gut-wrenching ones before you can get that perspective.

I sat in the front row at Adelaide Oval of Port Adelaide‘s 2017 epic Elimination Final v West Coast which went into extra time, then watch Luke Shuey duck into a Polec ”high” tackle, a decision which the AFL also conceded was wrong, and we were denied a semi final.

I was filthy, still am, and still think general standard of umpiring is declining because the AFL won’t support them as a full time employed unit, and won’t invest in the technology required to support them, and I still think there’s an element of #VICBIASwhen theres a close game like we copped against Geelong a few weeks back,

but yeah, try to be a good sport where we can, but we’re emotionally invested as well. In some ways, more than the players.

 

[Purple7x08_24]

I find it hard to believe we're using such poor technology to overrule goals that have been touched. If they're serious about the integrity of the game, then the AFL wil have higher resolution cameras with higher frame rates. spike, hotspot.

 

[Crankyhawk]

No denying any of that at all.

The demand for compensation is fanciful though. The only difference between this and every other incorrect call is the context. But a random missed holding the ball or throw in, say, the second quarter of any game could be just as consequential to the result - we don't get to see that reality play out, so we don't know.

It's a genuine (shocking) human error from the umpire. What sporting code is giving a team compensation for that?

Maybe cash compensation for lost revenue (say $100k)

 

[10571z]

There is so much incompetence in the league. From clash jumpers to umpiring.

To much time spent on being woke not enough on the fundamentals

 

[AJB84]

Without umpires there is no sport.

Umpires are human they make mistakes. Every game has them.

Accepting the umpire decision is fundamental requirement for playing sport. If you cannot do that you should perhaps do something else with your time.

They are doing their best. And sure there are some really bad calls.

You shake the opposition hands, congratulate them shake the umpires hands go have a beer or whatever.

Its sport.

Anyone can accept umpires decision when it favors your side or it;s right.

The test of being a good sport is accepting it when it's staggeringly wrong.

This is not a mistake though.

There is a review for this situation pretending this is just a mistake when 3 umpires had a clear view of this and none of them stopped play to ask the goal umpire. Specifically, Umpire 5 who was directly in line with the kick he 100% knew it was a goal and should have stopped play.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Without umpires there is no sport.

Umpires are human they make mistakes. Every game has them.

Accepting the umpire decision is fundamental requirement for playing sport. If you cannot do that you should perhaps do something else with your time.

They are doing their best. And sure there are some really bad calls.

You shake the opposition hands, congratulate them shake the umpires hands go have a beer or whatever.

Its sport.

Anyone can accept umpires decision when it favors your side or it;s right.

The test of being a good sport is accepting it when it's staggeringly wrong.

This should be about having a proper ARC process that safeguards the umpires from howlers.

Only the goal umpire can apparently call a review of his own decision.

Why can't the field umpires... I have often seen them insist, but depends on the umpire.

There should be someone in the ARC who can notify the onfield umpires to stop the game & put time back on the clock where there is a howler.

It wouldn't happen too often.

May actually speed up the game as there would be less pointless reviews knowing that they are being checked.

 

[SSwans2011]

Maybe cash compensation for lost revenue (say $100k)

I wouldn't care personally, but l can't see a sporting code ever doing that over an umpire error.

However, there was a Test Match between England and Pakistan in which the Pakistan players forfeited after the umpires adjudged they were ball tampering and awarded England 5 runs. Later investigations cleared Pakistan of ball-tampering and the result was overturned from an England win to a draw.

There are obviously various things that make that incomparable to this situation, but I suppose in this situation if you call the match abandoned and award each team 2 points (which is far more reasonable than overturning the result given there was still time left), Adelaide still don't make finals.

 

[DanielLaneDC]

Regarding talks of compensation, first off, let's not try and fix one display of disintegrity with another. Let's not deliberately compromise the draft or the fixture for the sake of the competition. A financial consolation, okay, maybe okay, so long as it's not part of a cap exception or funny business like that.

But let's be smart about this. If the AFL have floated these kind of reparations, the club needs to chase them publicly to save face. There's noise all over the place with this situation but one part of that noise is the club is getting criticisms of rolling over. It looks to me that the narrative around compensation is to offer the club a way to complain publicly that takes the focus away from the premiership points. That's probably not how it's been deliberately set up (I'm not a conspiracy theorist) but I wouldn't be surprised if the AFL doesn't mind too much the club asking about this publicly as a kind of way of letting the heightened emotions settle.

They should say no though. I don't want a compromised competition. Even though we do have one to some extent in known ways (inequal fixture, free agent compensation, these sort of things) that doesn't mean we should lean into it harder deliberately.

 

[DanielLaneDC]

A goal being adjudged as a behind would be frustrating in any context, but this is truly a boilover of timings.

If it wasn't the end of the game to change the lead, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.
If it wasn't the end of the season to impact mathematical finals, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

Imagine it was the first quarter of round 5. There'd likely be a thread where someone does the math, but it wouldn't get close to 60 pages of posts.

Truly an unfortunate scenario and a bit unlikely, but here we are.

 

[RuFiO]

At least you can understand why the goal umpire wears glasses...
Not that it helps him much.

 

[pugsville]

This is not a mistake though.

It was a mistake, To claim anything else is to lose grip of reality.
The Umpire called it as he saw it as they have been doing for long time now,
Occasionally the get one wrong.

There is a review for this situation pretending this is just a mistake when 3 umpires had a clear view of this and none of them stopped play to ask the goal umpire. Specifically, Umpire 5 who was directly in line with the kick he 100% knew it was a goal and should have stopped play.

None of them was in better position or tasked with adjudicating if it was goal or not.

You do NOT know what other unpires saw or thought. You do not know what they knew,

 

[Forever North]

The AFL masquerades as some sort of modern progressive organisation but in reality it’s a cheap ‘n‘ nasty, grubby, corrupt and nepotistic organisation whose real main purpose is to line the pockets of its elite. The whole finals series has now been tainted. Remember to gamble responsibly…..

 

[pugsville]

This should be about having a proper ARC process that safeguards the umpires from howlers.

This was not a howler. There is no process that can be perfect.

Only the goal umpire can apparently call a review of his own decision.

Because that is their job, They are in right spot.

Why can't the field umpires... I have often seen them insist, but depends on the umpire.

They cannot insist. You have NOT seen that.

There should be someone in the ARC who can notify the onfield umpires to stop the game & put time back on the clock where there is a howler.

It wouldn't happen too often.

May actually speed up the game as there would be less pointless reviews knowing that they are being checked.

Evey new complexity of another step in the process and another involevment makes another place where error can be introduced.

 

[Hobbes]

Without umpires there is no sport.

Umpires are human they make mistakes. Every game has them.

Accepting the umpire decision is fundamental requirement for playing sport. If you cannot do that you should perhaps do something else with your time.

They are doing their best. And sure there are some really bad calls.

You shake the opposition hands, congratulate them shake the umpires hands go have a beer or whatever.

Its sport.

Anyone can accept umpires decision when it favors your side or it;s right.

The test of being a good sport is accepting it when it's staggeringly wrong.

Umpires on the field have to make quick decisions, and the play can progress quickly. Some level of error is inevitable.

However, goal umpires have the ability to refer decisions that they're not sure about. When one team is celebrating a goal and the umpire calls a point without having it checked, that's where the umpire is staking his entire career on being right. There is ZERO EXCUSE for getting this wrong when he can refer.

 

[pugsville]

And unfortunately you need to experience one of those gut-wrenching ones before you can get that perspective.

I sat in the front row at Adelaide Oval of Port Adelaide‘s 2017 epic Elimination Final v West Coast which went into extra time, then watch Luke Shuey duck into a Polec ”high” tackle, a decision which the AFL also conceded was wrong, and we were denied a semi final.

I was filthy, still am, and still think general standard of umpiring is declining because the AFL won’t support them as a full time employed unit, and won’t invest in the technology required to support them, and I still think there’s an element of #VICBIASwhen theres a close game like we copped against Geelong a few weeks back,

but yeah, try to be a good sport where we can, but we’re emotionally invested as well. In some ways, more than the players.

Yeah your assumption about other people experiences just that.

Try harder. Or alternatively find another past time.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Change the rule to the same as Rugby and Soccer - if it hits the post but still goes between the posts then its a goal (and same with behinds versus out of bounds).

That eliminates some (not all) contentious decisions involving the posts. The Tom Lynch one would still be an issue as it went over the posts.

 

[Blackhawk42]

It happened in 1996.

This is a must smaller ask.

Literally just a minute of game time.

Even better.... play it during the finals break weekend so the ladder REALLY isn't finalised yet, just like the AFL want.

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

Dunno, I'm thinking a 1 minute cage fight ala Musk and Zuckerberg. Nicks and Horse sluggin it out...

 

[BF Tiger]

Dillon can make a legacy for himself in one off-season far greater than Gillon has done in 10 years by introducing proper ARC technology.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

This was not a howler. There is no process that can be perfect.


Because that is their job, They are in right spot.

They cannot insist. You have NOT seen that.



Evey new complexity of another step in the process and another involevment makes another place where error can be introduced.

It's pointless arguing with someone who doesn't believe this is a howler!

Are you a politician, as you use so many words to say so little... & happy to support mediocrity by doing nothing.

 

[Purple Suit]

This is comedy gold .. our Chairman going public with the AFL spending the night to trying to prove it wasn't goal

Lol .. AFL .. giving the WWE a run for its money

Richmond went on about the ARC for three weeks last year for a correct decision. Let’s see if the crows can go the distance.

 

[aCunningPlan]

There is so much incompetence in the league. From clash jumpers to umpiring.

To much time spent on being woke not enough on the fundamentals

Mate, based on four corners tonight they can't even get being woke right, they are just hopeless all around.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Give 'em 2 points each.