Autopsy Hawks vs Cats, Rd 15 2013

[blackhead&boil]

Still pissing and moaning about the rushed behinds?

Obviously you've got no friends left on the Squibs boards, so you're here looking to bring up last decade.

Here's my opinion.

Hawthorn rushed a few behinds, so they changed the rules.

Lance Franklin veered off his run-up by half a degree, so they changed the rules.

Hawthorn started using a third-man up ruck man more a while back, so they changed the rules.

Hawthorn players dived into contests with no fear for their personal safety to win the ball on the ground, so they changed the rules.

Geelong players show blatant disgust for umpiring decisions, verging on outright abuse. Nothing is done.

Geelong and West Coast players duck into contests, deliberately causing high contact. Nothing is done.

Geelong, Sydney, Fremantle players etc. are rewarded for tackling players before they win the ball.

Geelong hired Dank after he was thrown out at Manly. Nothing is done.


Disagree all you like, but this is not the place for it.

If you're not here to start a fight, why are you here? You haven't contributed anything except cheering. This is not the place for cheering and waving your brand new scarf in front of the losing team.

GO away.

whilst I agree with the overall sentiment of this post, I don't think the hostility is warranted in this case. I feel that kid asked a valid question in a reasonably respectful way.

I can certainly understand your sensitivity given the magnitude of cretinous fools that surface on this forum, though... ;D

 

[QuietB]

Bitching and moaning about Dank and Charter and a whole lot of other unproven crap is sour grapes guys.

 

[B&GBlood]

I'm not here to start a s**t fight so don't take it that way but how exactly is this different in principle to the 08 GF? Per your description, it is the exact same thing. Both teams play hard and push the limits and the calls go both ways...but to say its why you will never fully respect us - its your opinion - but like I alluded to.. how is it differnt to the rushed behind 08 GF.... There you used the rules to your advantage to set up the rebound. Based on your analysis, sounds the the same to me...

Either way, another chapter coming in Sept I feel and good luck bw now and then..

Go Catters

And half the Cat fans on BF still whinge about that!
Given you guys are flouting the rules I say we make sure you earn every high tackle and start taking you to the ground without the ball. Remember you are still a guest here.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Shane charters is the biochemist who consulted with dank to produce the drugs essendon were using. He knew James Hird from when he played. He was interviewed on 4 corners at his place this year. In his gym there were 3 signed pictures: one of Hird, one of Shane woewoedin and 1 team premiership photo with the years 2007, 2009 and 2011 below shots of celebrating players, with blue and white colours. Looked very much like geelong. Anyone can see this from the episode.

Geelong's management were a hell of a lot smarter than Essendon though. They took the knowledge and did everything in-house. There's no invoices, no paper-trail, no evidence, no PR manipulation of truth, nothing. They were (and possibly are) far ahead of the curve when it comes to 'rapid muscle growth, power and endurance development'.

Essendon were sold a system of proven results that was essentially 5 years old, knew that it may present a future legal issue, so tried to scenario that allowed them to create a fall guy for if/when they were caught. They were unlucky to be caught up in the periphery of another investigation of course, but that's the risk when you flagrantly flout the rules. When the time came to fess up, admit guilt and take the whack, their fall guy turns on them, dragging them with him.

 

[Dinner Plate]

Bitching and moaning about Dank and Charter and a whole lot of other unproven crap is sour grapes guys.

I have a fruit bowl full of sour grapes.

I put in my application to be the next Dalai Lama, but I haven't heard back yet. So, in the mean time I'll go back to being p!ssed about losing to Geelong again.

And to correct an inaccuracy, I did not mean to imply that Geelong employed Stephen Dank to take advantage of his cheating. I meant to imply that Geelong employed him in such a way is there would be plausible deniability. There appears to be no proof. They are too smart, apparently. Much smarter than Essendon and Melbourne, and all the league clubs.

Really?

Is that a vivid dream you had?

I watched the results run around on Saturday night. Some big boys out there. I'm surprised Hunt can get his arms above his head to dispute the umpiring so frequently. And still manage to run the game out with all that muscle. Amazing how he defies physics, biology and biochemistry despite looking like nothing more than an overblown thug with a short temper.

Just my opinion, mind.

 

[MrFujiMoto]

If they "monstered" us for 3.5 qtrs we would've lost by 8+ goals. They split us open in the first qtr but the 2nd and 3rd were largely a stalemate. For the amount of ball we had in our forward half we simply couldn't manufacture enough good scoring opportunities - due to their good pressure and our inability to kick it to a forward's advantage. The main positive was we can take heart in IMO is as ineffective as Franklin/Roughead were Hawkins/Pods were even more so.

Probably a fair comment but I don't think any side will "monster" us this year. They did about as well as any side could hope to do with our offensive game plan. Geelong definitely played the game on their terms for far longer than we did and that was the deciding factor.

 

[Brishawk]

This photo in the Hun kinda says it all.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e-invaluable-cat/story-fn5937w8-1226675632588

Wonder if Bud got a free for:

a) arm chop or
b) over the shoulder or
c) nah... this is Buddy Franklin... play on, nothing to see here...

Buddy needs to run him around more. those possessions numbers are indicative that he is playing close to goal.

 

[Brishawk]

Brian Cook CEO at Geelong confirmed Dank was never employed at Geelong. Robinson,the weights specialists was employed as strength and conditioning manager at Geelong. It's on the public record.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dank-asked-to-explain-his-role-20130311-2fwgt.html

Yes well Dank previously indicated he worked with GFC. Pretty sure he listed Geelong on his professional online profile (no longer there of course). I believe also that Robinson credits Dank for playing a part it preparing the players ahead of the 2007 season.

Geelong also distanced itself from Dank, though strength coach Dean Robinson -- poached from the Cats by Essendon is on record saying he worked closely with Dank at Geelong. On the eve of the 2007 premiership, Robinson said he had almost daily contact with Dank while at Geelong.
"Steve has also had a big input here," he revealed. "Even though he is not on the payroll here and never has been."
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2013/04/22/377527_editorial.html

 

[Senatorguesty]

Yes well Dank previously indicated he worked with GFC. Pretty sure he listed Geelong on his professional online profile (no longer there of course). I believe also that Robinson credits Dank for playing a part it preparing the players ahead of the 2007 season.

Geelong also distanced itself from Dank, though strength coach Dean Robinson -- poached from the Cats by Essendon is on record saying he worked closely with Dank at Geelong. On the eve of the 2007 premiership, Robinson said he had almost daily contact with Dank while at Geelong.
"Steve has also had a big input here," he revealed. "Even though he is not on the payroll here and never has been."
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2013/04/22/377527_editorial.html

Never worked at the Cats.
Once went for a job and didn't get past the first stage due to "worry about his morality and ethics".
Robinson was strength and conditioning coach at the Cats and had little impact on any supplements used (which he wasn't in charge of anyway, a Dr was).
The structure was completely different at the Cats to what it was at the Bombers.

 

[Brishawk]

Never worked at the Cats.
Once went for a job and didn't get past the first stage due to "worry about his morality and ethics".
Robinson was strength and conditioning coach at the Cats and had little impact on any supplements used (which he wasn't in charge of anyway, a Dr was).
The structure was completely different at the Cats to what it was at the Bombers.

Sure but Dank wasn't advising on stretch routines was he.

 

[sk8er_in_town]

Still pissing and moaning about the rushed behinds?

Obviously you've got no friends left on the Squibs boards, so you're here looking to bring up last decade.

Here's my opinion.

Hawthorn rushed a few behinds, so they changed the rules.

Lance Franklin veered off his run-up by half a degree, so they changed the rules.

Hawthorn started using a third-man up ruck man more a while back, so they changed the rules.

Hawthorn players dived into contests with no fear for their personal safety to win the ball on the ground, so they changed the rules.

Geelong players show blatant disgust for umpiring decisions, verging on outright abuse. Nothing is done.

Geelong and West Coast players duck into contests, deliberately causing high contact. Nothing is done.

Geelong, Sydney, Fremantle players etc. are rewarded for tackling players before they win the ball.

Geelong hired Dank after he was thrown out at Manly. Nothing is done.


Disagree all you like, but this is not the place for it.

If you're not here to start a fight, why are you here? You haven't contributed anything except cheering. This is not the place for cheering and waving your brand new scarf in front of the losing team.

GO away.

fair sook.

 

[Dinner Plate]

fair sook.

Thanks Avril Lavigne. Cool nickname.

My name is Brad Scott. Or is it Chris? I get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to sook on television.

You mob are the biggest sooks in town, on the biggest stage at the MCG. Go back to your second-rate excuse for a country town.

 

[Davo23]

Thanks Avril Lavigne. Cool nickname.

My name is Brad Scott. Or is it Chris? I get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to sook on television.

You mob are the biggest sooks in town, on the biggest stage at the MCG. Go back to your second-rate excuse for a country town.

Very unfair to BradChris Scott - he's not a sook, he's just a whinger.

Get it right, son!

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[Sicboy]

I had a feeling this would be brought up.



geelong are very good at sneaky things that are outside the rules, but they are smart enough to know what they can get away with. a lot of them are very clever and clearly thought through and rehearsed ahead of time (such as creating diversions to distract the umpire's attention during certain situations). I'm not going to catalogue them all here (actually, I would probably need to have access to replays to be able to recall all of the ones I've seen), but there are plenty. selwood and stevie j are particularly good at them...

This ain't the X-files Mulder! Calm down.

 

[blue harvest]

Not sure if it has already been mentioned, but that push in the back to Buddy where he went on to hit the post, at the time I thought gee why is the free kick on such a tight angle, but from my seat couldn't really tell for sure.

Had a look at the replay last night and the push happenned level with the top of the goal square, which is 9 metres long. On the replay you can clearly see the push is completed by about 8 metres out. So the free should have been taken somewhere between 8 and 9 metres out from the goal/point line. However McInerney sets up Buddy on an acute angle using a mark about 2 metres out from the line. Cats player then moves out a bit more to cover Buddy playing on, but the mark was set 2 metres out from the goal line and Buddy made to line up on that acute angle - wtf?

 

[dipper86]

This thread has got embarrassing. We have now resorted to calling Geelong drug cheats. It has sore loser written all over it.
Yep it feels better to divert the attention away from our own clubs misgivings, having an in balanced side, leaders not standing up a game plan that plays into the hands of the opposition, some personnel passed there best, mental fragility........Boring, no fun in that, lets continue to call Geelong drug cheats.

 

[Glasgow Hawk]

Here's an idea...
Let's move on from the Geelong game and focus on the Port Adelaide game this Saturday and the 7 games after that.
Why worry about that mob again until we absolutely have to. Just a thought..

 

[MinerBoy]

Pay back's gunna be a bitch. Enjoy your streak Cats.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Never worked at the Cats.
Once went for a job and didn't get past the first stage due to "worry about his morality and ethics".
Robinson was strength and conditioning coach at the Cats and had little impact on any supplements used (which he wasn't in charge of anyway, a Dr was).
The structure was completely different at the Cats to what it was at the Bombers.

Let's not forget the fact that Paul Haines was in charge of the strength and conditioning, with Robinson answering to him....let's not let facts interfere with the tall poppy syndrome.

 

[cryptor]

Let's not forget the fact that Paul Haines was in charge of the strength and conditioning, with Robinson answering to him....let's not let facts interfere with the tall poppy syndrome.

Still waiting on some quotes of our players alleged arrogance in 2012...

 

[blue harvest]

s**t, thought I must have stumbled onto the ASADA board by accident.
Take your petty arguments elsewhere.
And Cats supporters 'liking' posts from other Cats supporters on the Hawks board????

 

[Davo23]

Let's not forget the fact that Paul Haines was in charge of the strength and conditioning, with Robinson answering to him....let's not let facts interfere with the tall poppy syndrome.

Yes, it's all been proved: the Cats are innocent.

Ha ha, you're just better at covering up - for now!

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[Brishawk]

Let's not forget the fact that Paul Haines was in charge of the strength and conditioning, with Robinson answering to him....let's not let facts interfere with the tall poppy syndrome.

Not saying cats were cheats but no one can explain why Robinson credits Dank as being a key part of their success. What actually was his role? Why was he involved at all if he wasn't on the pay roll?

Let's say Dank is compelled to talk to ASADA and is facing criminal charges. Will you honestly sleep easy given he might be enticed into providing evidence against others in order to minimize his own punishment?

Given his involvement in a few clubs, and the ease with which he apparently instituted a systematic doping regime, I think all clubs should be worried about what goes on. But if Hawthorn had a link to Dank and credited him our 2008 premiership I would have deep concerns.

 

[Adebisi]

Dean was the man at Geelong. Was running the ship...fired the nutritionist and took the gig over himself.
That's just one example mind you..

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Dean was the man at Geelong. Was running the ship...fired the nutritionist and took the gig over himself.
That's just one example mind you..

Wrong.....BLATANTLY WRONG.