How does a player like Joel Selwood go number 6 in a draft?

[tcwaters]

Adam Goodes went at pick 43 from memory!James Hird pick 72.There will always be someone who slips abit.

Like Swift to 20?

 

[matey]

Without the knee reco Selwood probably would have gone 1 or 2 but knee injuries do put clubs off as they see an element of risk involved.

Look at Muston was touted as top 5 pick, his knee injury put off clubs and we picked him up at 22. To date his knees have struggled. You can understand clubs being put off when youngsters have serious injuries.

 

[Chasing the Dream]

Like Swift to 20?

If he is half the player Simon Black is after being picked in the 30's you will have done well

FWIW, I saw Swift play in that u16 Champs where Vossy rated him the best junior he had seen. Not that I would ever argue with Voss, but on that topic, I couldn't agree more

 

[The 747]

Without the knee reco Selwood probably would have gone 1 or 2 but knee injuries do put clubs off as they see an element of risk involved.

Look at Muston was touted as top 5 pick, his knee injury put off clubs and we picked him up at 22. To date his knees have struggled. You can understand clubs being put off when youngsters have serious injuries.

The only clubs I think have made a mistake in hindsight are Hawthorn and Port. The others were standout KPP or Gibbs.

But in Hawthorn's defence two things:

1) They gambled on injured players in one draft (Dowler, Muston, Bailey) and none of those gambles have looked like paying off so far. So naturally they would be wary of drafting another player with serious injury concerns.

2) They have had fantastic success with high draft KPP's in Roughead and Franklin so it is understandable that they would want to pick another high draft KPP if there was a good one available. The wraps on Thorp were pretty big before he was drafted. Just because he has not shown that at AFL level is a different thing.

Port made a blunder I think. Not that Boak is not an awesome talent but he is not Selwood.

 

[Lockyer24]

I was almost in tears when we missed him by 1 pick. Id seen him develop over the years and was certain he would be a star. I cn only guess it was the time out of the game that turned people off.

The funny thing is Im not sure C'Wood would have taken him if he was available.

 

[stefoid]

Selwood is fantastic for a young player, definately in the top 30 or 40 in the AFL. Any club would be rapt to have him.

but is what he is capable of any different from a dozen or more other hard at it midfielders that most sides have one or two of? Im not saying he is a skilless bulldozer, but he isnt blindingly quick, a fantastic kick, etc... he might just lack the tools to take it to the top 10 elite level.


whereas I think gibbs has those tools and will probably get there in a season or two.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

His best game was against Port Adelaide at Glenelg where he had 33 disposals, 16 contested possessions and 6 goals...playing in the midfield the whole game...at the age of 17. I was there that day and it was one of the best individual games ive seen, let alone from a 17 year old.

Selwood is also almost 12 months older than Gibbs.

i was at that game, was hard to watch

you knew he was going near the top of the draft walking away from the match, absolute future star

 

[Zvim]

I played footy for 15 odd years and unless I am totally full of it I never played with a guy that I couldn't see his talent within a couple of games.

If they really watch these guys all year and then not really know this stuff then I want a job.

How can recruiters dissmiss stars based on risk, are they stupid or something? Sure some risks don't work out but the biggest risk is not taking guys because of things like junior injuries, possible attitude etc.

You are full of it.

He is a good player, don't get me wrong but I could slot into the Geelong midfield, get the 4th worst opposition midfielder and look pretty good as 3 players try and tackle Ablett.

Stick him in say Melbourne and I think he would be a very good player but wouldn't be half the player he is now.

It is the West Coast factor... See Kerr, Fletcher, Embley when Cousins and Judd were there. Made 2 successive grand finals. See Eagles without those two... second last.

 

[THE_GUN]

H2F, I wouldn't worry about it. Selwood is a star now, but in 5 years time, he might have had another 2 recos and played 10 games, while Thorp/Gumbleton/Hansen have gone on to become dominant CHFs/CHBs. So much can happen in football and one general rule of thumb, is that if you pick a midfielder over a KPP, you'll expect to see some rapid improvement early in their career and then the scope for improvement will drop, while with a KPP, you won't get much out of them in their early years (there are a few exceptions obviously), but in the long run they have the potential to become a much more valuable player.

or he could have 2 brownlows haanging around hisn neck & another 2 flags to go with it. maybe a norm smith.

 

[Dylza94]

7 isn't that late!

 

[Paul Kersey]

Strange to see people not rating Gibbs. I think he'll be a pretty good player and would have him at Hawthorn. Much better than the other big name draft pick at Carlton, Mark Murphy.

 

[Furn]

Obviously his knee was the main reason he fell.

Add to that the fact that he doesnt have great athletism.

Then look at the players that went before him.

At the time of the draft this was how they were seen.

Gibbs - maybe the best 17 yr old the game has seen.

Gumbleton - Big marking power forward. J.brown type potential

Hansen - dominant tall kpp backman. that can play forward as well.

Leunberger - the next Cox by all accounts.

Boak - Great pace and skill with good footy smarts.

Thorp - 194cm with pace that can play forward,back and in the midfield.

Selwood - Classy inside mid with great footy smarts.

All players that go 1st round have talent. If you look at these player you can see why teams got more excited about those 6 than selwood especially with his knee problems.

Now you can say how did Selwood slip so low but 7 is still pretty high plus if any of the 6 that went before him reach there pre-draft potential then they will be of huge value.

 

[recon]

If I was a North supporter I would be dirty they took Hansen over Selwood, Hansen doesn't look much at all no position and looks very timid.

 

[DBAH0]

Oly a little. Cats already have a good midfield already but the forwards come up short.

Mitch would have had more opportunity at catland than at the hawks so who knows ? With hindsigt they still had N Ablett (although his interest in AFL footy was always flakey)

I do also wonder if they erred in clearing Steven King. He'll be running around this year for the saints so could have helped them to third third flag in a row

Mitch Brown will be better than Mitch Thorp in 12 months anyway.

And if you thought King would have made the difference in us winning the flag in 2008, you're deluded.

 

[blblues]

Can some of you BF guru's that follow the TAC cup and the draft camp explain to me how a guy like this goes or can go so late.

I keep hearing it was his knees but clearly they are no problem.

Am I the only one that cannot comprehend the fact that full time talent scouts can confuse his ability with guys above him. My club included.

Credit where it is due, for his age only Judd compares and by the end of the year we might be calling it even or seeing someone better. What a gun!!! Already the midfielder I would pick if I could have anyone, even in front of Ablet because of his selflessness and team orientated leadership. If I was running a club and my recruiting guy missed him I would be asking some hard questions because he did it from day one.

Selwood is a phenomenal talent and is showing the recruiters that you don't have to be 195cm and run like Usain Bolt to be a damn good footballer. It's good to see young Joel having such an impact in such a short time. Having said that, club recruiters don't have crystal balls. Good players are always gonna slip for various reasons at draft time.

 

[Bay Pie]

I recall the U18 champs & TAC Cup of 2005, with some 'experts' saying Joel Selwood could have no.1 ahead of Murphy, then.

Yep, we missed him by 1 pick. Still spewing the new father/son rule didn't change a year earlier as Geelong would have had to use pick 7 on Tom Hawkins, leaving Selwood to us.

The guy would be a star in any midfield. Players that can win their own footy and dispose of it effectively, do that.

Based of AFL performances, Gibbs has plenty to catch up.

 

[Zvim]

If I was a North supporter I would be dirty they took Hansen over Selwood, Hansen doesn't look much at all no position and looks very timid.

Can't really compare a 20 year old undersized key position player in an average team to a 20 year old mature bodied midfielder in a dominant team. Selwood was ready to play AFL footy right away. Hansen, like most undersized KPPs, probably wont peak until 24.

He is 20 years old and is now 197cm and 93kg and is more closer to KP size. He has only played 13 games to date. He is a good mark, can play forward and back, is fast, has a massive tank and has a huge upside.

KPPs do not grow on trees. I think he has looked a bit timid when playing on guys that massively dwarfed him but he invariably beat most of the oppoents he played on, gave Cloke a bath both times he played on him, not that I guess that is a major achievement. He also has gone forward and kicked a match winning goal for us from a long way out, he has the raw talent, he just needs the experience and a bit more development.

Midfielders give you more or less instant results, it is a lot of hard work with KPPs. But, if Geelong had better KP forwards they probably would have won the flag last year. Overstocking on midfielders gives you good short-term results but if you lack KPPs then you have to start paying for them like the Cats did with Ottens, it can be hit-or-miss doing so...

 

[SunKing]

Selwood is a great player but look where he is,Headland was a star in the bris midfield then went to Freo and pfft.

I think the likes of Gibbs & Leuenberger will eventually overtake him.

 

[Sloth]

Memo: 6 is not late, it is very early.

 

[year of the cat]

Selwood is a great player but look where he is,Headland was a star in the bris midfield then went to Freo and pfft.

I think the likes of Gibbs & Leuenberger will eventually overtake him.

To compare Selwood with Headland is just plain laughable.

 

[DarwinRoo]

If I was a North supporter I would be dirty they took Hansen over Selwood, Hansen doesn't look much at all no position and looks very timid.

Not dirty at all. Hansen will be a very good player and just needs time. Tom Hawkins went in the same draft and he hasn't done much either.

 

[rose jam]

Gibbs - maybe the best 17 yr old the game has seen.

Gumbleton - Big marking power forward. J.brown type potential

Hansen - dominant tall kpp backman. that can play forward as well.

Leunberger - the next Cox by all accounts.

Boak - Great pace and skill with good footy smarts.

Thorp - 194cm with pace that can play forward,back and in the midfield.

Selwood - Classy inside mid with great footy smarts.

All players that go 1st round have talent. If you look at these player you can see why teams got more excited about those 6 than selwood especially with his knee problems.

Now you can say how did Selwood slip so low but 7 is still pretty high plus if any of the 6 that went before him reach there pre-draft potential then they will be of huge value.

Let me tackle this;

Gibbs - pretty sure there have been about 200 better 17 year olds then Gibbs, his first year was average at best. But he's coming along nicely now.

Gumbleton - if he was chose at pick 80 instead of whatever you'd be calling for a delisting. If it wasn't for the early round investment that was made in him he'd be gone. Really, has he actually done anything when he has played a game? Because he looked below standard in the preseason when he was supposedly fit.

Luenenberger - most overrated name in the league. Has frankly every excuse made for him about his age I've ever heard, and just gets smashed and can't find the ball. If he doesn't do something this year then the Lions made put him up (if they ever wake up about him)

Boak - not bad, should be playing for Adelaide with that name

Selwood - very good, jury's out on him until Geelong go bad and we'll see where he's at.

 

[crowsarethebest]

I can't believe some people are saying "Selwood is advantaged because he plays in a successful team". What is he supposed to do? It's not his fault Geelong are that good. He is no where near Headland, he wins his own ball, he's tough, he's a hard nut with great skills and footy smarts. He's not Usain Bolt quick but he's not slouch either. He is going to be a superb player- he already is. In the top 10 mids in the comp for sure at the moment. Leadership material as well. Complete package for me.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

rose jam = missed the point.

the poster was talking about pre-draft ratings. And they were all pretty spot on.

The attraction with Thorp was as much about the "great" contested marking (though inconsistent); and his elite skills on both sides (shown to just be 'good'); and an ability to run all day.

If he can string together a couple of seasons without further injuries, he has a chance to establish himself in the side. The same could probably be said for Gumbleton and Hansen too.

 

[maryjames]

selwood in for a big year this year, he will be rated in the top 5 players in the league this year, he might even win the brownlow this year, he voted well last year and now that he is on the rader abit more, umps will give him votes, cats new budda hocking