Science/Environment How Does Daylight Saving Work on the NSW/QLD Border?

[emuboy]

I am aware that NSW has daylight saving and QLD does not. But how does this work on the heavily populated border of NSW & QLD (ie Gold Coast)?

I was thinking of things such as television & radio programme times and flight arrival & departure times from Cooloongatta Airport (which is half in NSW & half in QLD).

Is it inconvenient for people who live in northern NSW but work in QLD (or vice verca) to change their watches twice a day? Do they list differing times during radio & TV shows throughout the day? What happens at New Year's Eve? Does this issue cause many problems, for example missed flights and appointments? Is there friction between NSW & Qld people over this issue?

If anyone from the Gold Coast region could fill me in it would be much appreciated.

 

[Richo83]

It doesn't, that's the problem. It is kinda handy living there if you missed something, you can go over the border. But eh. DS is stupid IMO.

 

[Eagle87]

Its a bit of a farce. People live in one state and work in the other and basically have to wear 2 watches for several months each year!

Its bizarre but it protects those curtains in FNQ and makes sure the heat is less of a problem when its 50 degrees in the back blocks of western Qld - so I suppose it makes sense.

 

[FIGJAM]

But eh. DS is stupid IMO.

Why?

Melbourne would get sunrise at 3.33am on the 18th of December this year. What a joke!

For the more consistent northern states, then I can see why they don't care, but for us it's sensible.

 

[Richo83]

Why?

Melbourne would get sunrise at 3.33am on the 18th of December this year. What a joke!

For the more consistent northern states, then I can see why they don't care, but for us it's sensible.

Eh, doesn't bother me. Sleep is sleep, whatever time you put on it we still sleep 8 hours and the sun still acts the way it will.

 

[chook2734]

It wouldn't be any different than the time differences that always exist at the Vic/SA border, or SA/WA border.

 

[FIGJAM]

Eh, doesn't bother me. Sleep is sleep, whatever time you put on it we still sleep 8 hours and the sun still acts the way it will.

I take it you don't work a regular 9 to 5 type of job?!

 

[Richo83]

I take it you don't work a regular 9 to 5 type of job?!

I do (well partly, about 20 hours), but I generally wake up with the sun which is nearly always some time before nine. I generally wake up early in summer anyway, too hot to sleep I find.

 

[Dont be a lemon]

I am aware that NSW has daylight saving and QLD does not. But how does this work on the heavily populated border of NSW & QLD (ie Gold Coast)?

I was thinking of things such as television & radio programme times and flight arrival & departure times from Cooloongatta Airport (which is half in NSW & half in QLD).

Is it inconvenient for people who live in northern NSW but work in QLD (or vice verca) to change their watches twice a day? Do they list differing times during radio & TV shows throughout the day? What happens at New Year's Eve? Does this issue cause many problems, for example missed flights and appointments? Is there friction between NSW & Qld people over this issue?

If anyone from the Gold Coast region could fill me in it would be much appreciated.

Television & Radio

Gold Coast and Tweed Heads (the Gold Coast suburb located in NSW for those you who don't know much about the geography) are both served by the Brisbane TV channels (ABC, SBS, Seven, Nine, Ten) and the Northern NSW TV channels (ABC, SBS, Prime, NBN, Southern Cross Ten).

During daylight savings both sets of channels stay with their respective state's timezones. Stuff on the Brisbane channels airs an hour 'late' into Tweed Heads and the stuff on the Northern NSW channels airs an hour 'early' into the Gold Coast.

I imagine it's much the same with radio - stations stay with the timezone of the state they're licensed to.

Airport

Gold Coast Airport (as it is officially known) serves the Gold Coast primarily and it's terminals are located in Queensland so I think it's safe to say it operates on QLD time.

New Year's Eve

I imagine the novelty seekers would experience midnight twice and everyone else would just celebrate the new year in their state.

Missed flights and appointments

No idea. Probably causes problems with some visitors but I doubt locals would forget.

Is there friction between NSW & Qld people over this issue?

No idea. I doubt people who live on the Gold Coast care what the time is in Tweed Heads unless they work there. But a I imagine a fair few people in Tweed Heads work in Gold Coast so they could very well find it annoying, but you'd have to ask someone from there!

 

[emuboy]

It wouldn't be any different than the time differences that always exist at the Vic/SA border, or SA/WA border.

Yes, but most of the state borders are not heavily populated, and in any case some towns in Western NSW (such as Broken Hill) and Western Victoria (Mildura) operate in the same timezone as Adelaide & Darwin, rather than Sydney & Melbourne.

 

[The Passenger]

my grandparents live in tweed heads which is the last city in nsw before you hit queensland and yeah it can be a bit of a nightmare but for the most part its not too bad.

we've been rocked up to the airport and dinner a few times an hour early, although it has been a while. they moved up years ago and now we are used to it.

it would be worst though for people who live on one side and work on the other and i really don't know what they would do...

 

[Tarn Zajac]

It is HELL living in 2 time zones!! It wasn't much of a problem before school age children & working a full-time job but when you add that into the daily routine it wrecks havoc on your life.
It adds stress that you don't need because you're constantly having to think about what time you have to pick the kids up, start & finish appointment times with clients & get the clients to get the time zone they need to be thinking in their heads. I live in NSW, my hubby & I both work in QLD, my kids go to school in NSW,My gym is nsw, kids sports are on both sides of the border, TV receives QLD channels.
4 days a week I have to get up at 4.15am (QLD) to get to my NSW gym class. I am so tired by the afternoon it's just ridiculous. I usually can't stay awake to watch my TV shows because the TV is QLD so they're on an hour later & if I've been up since 4.15am & flogged myself all day at work & doing the daily grind to keep the household running, I just need to sleep. So that adds more loss of enjoyment to my life, due to DLS.
Most annoying is that I have to leave work at 1.45pm (qld) to pick the kids up from school so even though i work for myself & with much effort & stress I can juggle my work times, I lose money having to decline my clients an afternoon appointment. During the 6 long (way too long) months of DLS I lose approximately $300 week. I send the kids to after school care 1 day a week to accommodate my late clients but that costs me $39 a pop. Even then, my last appointment slot for clients would have to end by 4pm (QLD) to get to the kids in time so the poor things can get home by their dinner time of 5.30pm (NSW).
The worst things about living in 2 time zones are: constantly having to think, double-check, rethink what time you have to be in one state & the other for appointments, gym/yoga/art classes, school, sports & worst of all getting my clients, whom alot of them come from all different states & are on holidays & utterly confused so they often turn up for their appointments either an hour late (so I lose money) or they're an hour early (& if they can't come back at the right time then I lose money again.
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT IT BECAUSE I KNOW HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO HATE LIVING IN 2 TIME ZONES!!!!!!
How's about, for an experiment, Brisbane & Sydney are cut in half & have 2 time zones, even just for 2 days?
I don't think there's any other way to get them to realize an appreciation for just how much it bloody well SUCKS!!!!

Well, anyway, I hope that gives you more of an idea of what it's really like to put up with the DLS on the border much dreaded 6 month saga.

I could go on but what is the point?

Cheers...

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

I am aware that NSW has daylight saving and QLD does not. But how does this work on the heavily populated border of NSW & QLD (ie Gold Coast)?

The worlds biggest set of venetian blinds.

 

[Dont be a lemon]

Queensland yokels should get with the program.

I've heard daylight saving has majority support in Brisbane and Gold Coast but the Government (present and past) doesn't want to risk the wrath of the hickier parts of the state so does nothing.

 

[Caesar]

The problem is less about DST and more about the stupid way that the NSW/Qld border is drawn. There are a bunch of population centres where for a whole host of reasons it makes a lot more sense for them to be on the opposite side of the border to where they actually are.

The problem is that they always either areas that one government doesn't want to surrender, or the other one doesn't want to take. Inertia wins, as usual.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Opposition to daylight savings is nothing to with yokels and hicks, it is a matter of geography. The closer you are to the equator, the less variance there is between summer and winter daylight, so the less useful daylight savings becomes. For people in the north of QLD there is no advantage to them from DLS. For SE QLD maybe there is some point to it, but the line will have to be drawn somewhere. It seems there is some difficulty in splitting the state into two timezones.

 

[Dont be a lemon]

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=954&month=6&year=2012&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=954&month=1&year=2013&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1

They breed 'em tough.

Opposition to daylight savings is nothing to with yokels and hicks

I tend to find it has everything to do with it.

And an obsessive disdain of Canberra/Sydney/whoever.

 

[Caesar]

It's a bit of both. One of the more compelling arguments for daylight saving is bringing the state into line with the rest of the country. Those in rural areas tend to be less inconvenienced by being unable to contact anyone in Sydney/Melbourne after 3:30 in the afternoon.

 

[Admiral Byng]

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=954&month=6&year=2012&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=954&month=1&year=2013&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1

They breed 'em tough.



I tend to find it has everything to do with it.

And an obsessive disdain of Canberra/Sydney/whoever.

I think those sunlight hours data proves my point - for Townsville the difference in daylight hours - shortest day (21 June) of the year 11 hours of sunshine (well, 10:58:19), longest day (21 Dec) 13 and a quarter (13:17:34). Only about two and a quarter hours difference. Not worth having DLS.

Compare to Southern cities (using the website you quoted)
Sydney - 9:53:53 shortest day, 14:24:43 longest day - four and a half hours difference
Melbourne - 9:32:31 shortest, 14:47:20 longest - five and a quarter hours difference
Hobart - 9:00:47 shortest, 15:21:12 longest - six hours and twenty minutes difference

For those in the far north with only 2 hours difference between sunlight hours on the shortest of the year compared to longest day - there's no need to bother having DLS for 5-6 months of the year. It doesn't gain them anything, for an extra hour of sunlight in the evening they would be getting up in the dark. For people in the south they have an extra 4-6 hours of sunshine compared to winter, they can move their clocks forward and grab an extra hour of daylight at the end of the day without it meaning they have to get up in the dark.

 

[THRILLHO]

It is HELL living in 2 time zones!! It wasn't much of a problem before school age children & working a full-time job but when you add that into the daily routine it wrecks havoc on your life.
It adds stress that you don't need because you're constantly having to think about what time you have to pick the kids up, start & finish appointment times with clients & get the clients to get the time zone they need to be thinking in their heads. I live in NSW, my hubby & I both work in QLD, my kids go to school in NSW,My gym is nsw, kids sports are on both sides of the border, TV receives QLD channels.
4 days a week I have to get up at 4.15am (QLD) to get to my NSW gym class. I am so tired by the afternoon it's just ridiculous. I usually can't stay awake to watch my TV shows because the TV is QLD so they're on an hour later & if I've been up since 4.15am & flogged myself all day at work & doing the daily grind to keep the household running, I just need to sleep. So that adds more loss of enjoyment to my life, due to DLS.
Most annoying is that I have to leave work at 1.45pm (qld) to pick the kids up from school so even though i work for myself & with much effort & stress I can juggle my work times, I lose money having to decline my clients an afternoon appointment. During the 6 long (way too long) months of DLS I lose approximately $300 week. I send the kids to after school care 1 day a week to accommodate my late clients but that costs me $39 a pop. Even then, my last appointment slot for clients would have to end by 4pm (QLD) to get to the kids in time so the poor things can get home by their dinner time of 5.30pm (NSW).
The worst things about living in 2 time zones are: constantly having to think, double-check, rethink what time you have to be in one state & the other for appointments, gym/yoga/art classes, school, sports & worst of all getting my clients, whom alot of them come from all different states & are on holidays & utterly confused so they often turn up for their appointments either an hour late (so I lose money) or they're an hour early (& if they can't come back at the right time then I lose money again.
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT IT BECAUSE I KNOW HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO HATE LIVING IN 2 TIME ZONES!!!!!!
How's about, for an experiment, Brisbane & Sydney are cut in half & have 2 time zones, even just for 2 days?
I don't think there's any other way to get them to realize an appreciation for just how much it bloody well SUCKS!!!!

Well, anyway, I hope that gives you more of an idea of what it's really like to put up with the DLS on the border much dreaded 6 month saga.

I could go on but what is the point?

Cheers...

Signed up just to bump a four year thread.

 

[Slax]

because it has been going on for so long most of the locals have gotten used to it. The real problem is with tourists who forget about the change.

Also a problem for the NSW residents as their curtains will fade more and the cows won't know when to come in to be milked according to some former Qld MPs.

 

[Kim Hagdorn]

The stuffy eastern states that still persevere with this antiqued notion of fiddling with their clocks every year should just move on and scrap DLS, problem solved

 

[The Dice Man]

Having lived and worked on both sides of that border it really doesn't bother, but I prefer to have dst.

Unless you're an absolute simpleton who has trouble adding or subtracting 1 then it shouldn't be a problem for you either. I should add there are many, many simpletons in that region. Although it seems to be tourists that have the most troubles.

Personally I beleive anything south of the sunshine coast should be on esdst. But Queenslanders are stubborn, and usually pretty ****ing dumb if truths be told.

 

[dugrene]

Why?

Melbourne would get sunrise at 3.33am on the 18th of December this year. What a joke!

For the more consistent northern states, then I can see why they don't care, but for us it's sensible.

What a joke you are.

Sunrise starts to get later from around about the 14th of December. The earliest the sun would rise in Melbourne without DLS would 0452 hours. With DLS it's 0552 hours. Due to the axis of the earth the sunset times continue to get later well after the solstice which is around about 22 of December. By the end of December the sunrise time has already moved 10 minutes later. Yet the sunset time is still getting later until well into January.

To say sunrise would be at 0333 hours is dumb.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~jacob/risesetmelb.html

 

[Docker Clint]

Tweed Heads has an hour extra sunlight per day, so much more leisure time and fitter people taking advantage of the extra hour of day light by utilising it for exercise.

Coolangatta suffers from faded curtains.