Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

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Continued From Part 4:

Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

This thread is Continued in Part 5: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-5.1282789/

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[Crankyhawk]

Read the Australian Institute of Criminology report with the assistance of the National Coronial Information System investigation it in the National Deaths In Custody Program.

"The Australian Institute of Criminology runs a program specifically identifying indigenous deaths in custody (The National Deaths in Custody Program NDICP). It looks at both prison and police related deaths. In a 20-year study it found that both non-indigenous and indigenous deaths had decreased and were at some of the lowest rates ever seen. The report noted in terms of indigenous deaths the total is lower than would be expected based on the proportion of the prison population that is Indigenous. The report noted that the rate of death has been consistently lower among Indigenous prisoners than their non-Indigenous counterparts. Importantly the report noted that It can be concluded that fact Indigenous persons were no more likely to die in prison custody than non-Indigenous persons remains true today."

Dr Terry Goldsworthy, Associate Professor in Criminology, Bond University.

So they are a thing but only as a function of the higher incarceration rates.

Edit also noting that this professor is ex detective and other publications seem to be in favour of more heavy handed approaches (eg argues against raising age of responsibility). Now gotta say I would have liked his attitude against the lockdown protests, but there’s a chance his analysis could be biased?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Is there reason to believe the hospitals wont be overrun at 80%?

If one believes the modelling, that’s the reason.
There’s face validity that there will be less demand the higher the vaccination rate.

 

[Evolved1]

Yep, but that's me.

And everyone includes kids

There should be medical and psychological analysis of the effects of lockdown and covid on kids before we go down that path.

 

[Evolved1]

If one believes the modelling, that’s the reason.
There’s face validity that there will be less demand the higher the vaccination rate.

Do you work in the public system?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

There should be medical and psychological analysis of the effects of lockdown and covid on kids before we go down that path.

Isn't that what they are doing now?

Can't we look at refugees in detention for this? Some kids have been there for years....

 

[Bazzar]

So they are a thing but only as a function of the higher incarceration rates.

I never said they weren't a thing.
Read the report, its easy to find.
Non indigenous per population have a higher death rate. That is fact.

 

[Muddiemoose]

There should be medical and psychological analysis of the effects of lockdown and covid on kids before we go down that path.

That would probably take longer to complete than the 80% vaccine target

 

[Evolved1]

Isn't that what they are doing now?

By what, using Melbourne as a case study?

I'm happy to look at legit studies if anyone here has something to share.

 

[Evolved1]

That would probably take longer to complete than the 80% vaccine target

Fair point.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

By what, using Melbourne as a case study?

I'm happy to look at legit studies if anyone here has something to share.

They could study the Biloela Tamil family for long term effects.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Do you work in the public system?

Public hospital yes.

 

[Boronia67]

Are we at 80% yet?

I would prefer not to have my hospital overrun prior to 80% vaccination- this is what the health advice is saying.
I do not have to take sh*t from dumbarse protest mobs.

Have you seen this health advice the Andrew's government will not release ?

 

[eddiesmith]

Well post a screenshot of the Instagram post. If you don't I call more bizarre bullshit.

 

[Bazzar]

That would probably take longer to complete than the 80% vaccine target

But you are adamant lockdown is the only way?
Where's your science then?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Is there reason to believe the hospitals wont be overrun at 80%?

Because while the UK has 1/3 the daily cases of earlier in the year, it has 1/6 the hospitalizations, and 1/20 the deaths

 

[Crankyhawk]

I never said they weren't a thing.
Read the report, its easy to find.
Non indigenous per population have a higher death rate. That is fact.

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Report also says
- indigenous deaths younger than non indigenous
- higher rate of incarceration due to being charged with assault where no bodily harm occurred (12% of indigenous vs 4% non indigenous)

 

[Ghost Patrol]

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Why did you cut the bottom off, whats the rest of it say?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Have you seen this health advice the Andrew's government will not release ?

No I am only going by the publicly reported parts of the Doherty report/ road map.
Yes I would like this advice publicly released.

 

[Bazzar]

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Yes, please don't go and protest

 

[Muddiemoose]

But you are adamant lockdown is the only way?
Where's your science then?

Lockdowns to manage the spread of the virus until vaccine targets have been met it’s really not that difficult to comprehend

 

[eddiesmith]

Why did you cut the bottom off, whats the rest of it say?

Didn’t cut anything off, that’s what fitted in the screen

 

[Crankyhawk]

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It doesn’t say go out and protest; but also doesn’t dissuade people from going out in the pandemic.

 

[Bazzar]

Why did you cut the bottom off, whats the rest of it say?

Why dont you do some searching and stop being lazy and critisiing everyone

 

[Ned_Flanders]

There should be medical and psychological analysis of the effects of lockdown and covid on kids before we go down that path.

Lockdowns effects have zero to do with whether a vaccine is safe or not.

If it's safe, they should have it. That's the latest recommendation from Melb Uni's modelling - fastest way to slow the spread by 50% is to fast track vaccination of 3m aged five and above

 

[eddiesmith]

Just in case anyone claims Danny then followed up with anything condemning the protests…