Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Crankyhawk]

Prior to March 2020 Melbourne’s CBD was one of the best. Lockdowns has killed it. You say maybe it’s for the best that marginal businesses close. So we end up with a ghost city with 2 in 5 shops boarded up. Is that what you want? Who would want to invest in this state when the CBD is dead?

Don’t think you can blame lockdowns as we saw with recent omicron at its peak people stopped moving and going out. And if we had not locked down and let’s say we have a peak (like omicron, in unvaccinated population, maybe 50-70k cases/day in vic and 100-300 deaths per day at peak - I think this is realistic for unvaccinated population) you get the same shadow lockdown effect, then you have people choosing (and business) to use work from home anyway; after the peak we would have 7k cases / day (basically what we have now) and in unvaccinated population say 50-100 deaths (and these are likely lowball estimates given we had seen 1-2% mortality in the original covid) so that means

• permanent locked interstate borders against vic
• constant mockery of Victoria ****ing up covid response
• I think you’d still see the same loss of cbd activity as we are now

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Who’s talking about outlawing anything? A bit of positivity from the Premier wouldn’t hurt. He has basically given up on the CBD, because a CBD with only 60% workers will result in further business closures.

Imagine if Damian Hardwick came out and said this week, “Richmond isn’t anywhere near as good as Melbourne, so I’m doubtful we’ll do much in 2022”

how do you get more people into the CBD for work is people are only working in the CBD 2-3 days a week?

Reality is the CBD business model needs to change

 

[Sttew]

how do you get more people into the CBD for work is people are only working in the CBD 2-3 days a week?

Reality is the CBD business model needs to change

My concern is the negativity of the comments made and the likely/possible impact of those comments. With such a negative comment any chance of a medium term CBD recovery are made that much more difficult. Don't you think its better to say nothing than "60% will only ever come back"? If I was a businessman thinking about moving into the CBD, or one of the many new hotels, or the Lord Mayor, or a business weighing up whether to move to Victoria, NSW or QLD, I'd be ropable and putting a line through Melbourne.

BTW, I agree we need new modelling for how the CBD should work.

 

[Kwality]

Dan doesn't control where people choose to work/shop/eat. To suggest otherwise is quite bizarre.

How many State public servants* work in the CBD ?

* i.e paid by the State Government

 

[Ned_Flanders]

My concern is the negativity of the comments made and the likely/possible impact of those comments. With such a negative comment any chance of a medium term CBD recovery are made that much more difficult. Don't you think its better to say nothing than "60% will only ever come back"? If I was a businessman thinking about moving into the CBD, or one of the many new hotels, or the Lord Mayor, or a business weighing up whether to move to Victoria, NSW or QLD, I'd be ropable and putting a line through Melbourne.

you think andrews comments effect business decisions on where they are based? you are delusional

my firm (for example) has been running the math on where and how we will work since Sept 2020. Andrews comments wont mean shit to that planning.

As for the traders, they need a reality check like the tourism industry received during the week - recovery will take years, so if your business cannot hold until then, plan b is needed.

 

[Sttew]

How many State public servants* work are employed in the CBD ?

* i.e paid by the State Government

EFA

 

[Sttew]

you think andrews comments effect business decisions on where they are based? you are delusional

my firm (for example) has been running the math on where and how we will work since Sept 2020. Andrews comments wont mean sh*t to that planning.

As for the traders, they need a reality check like the tourism industry received during the week - recovery will take years, so if your business cannot hold until then, plan b is needed.

Ned where in the CBD is your business situated?

You are the one who is delusional if you think what a Premiers says cannot impact on decision making by businesses. Businesses look to the government for direction and negative statements affect confidence.

Chris Lucas is arguably Melbourne's most successful restaurant owner. In case you didn't know his restaurants are Kissume, Chin Chin, Hawker Hall, Baby, Go Go Bar, Society, and Yakimono. He believes what Dan said will negatively impact an already fragile CBD.

As for the reality check comment, that may be right, but Dan has just fast tracked it. Maybe that was his endgame?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Ned where in the CBD is your business situated?

You are the one who is delusional if you think what a Premiers says cannot impact on decision making by businesses. Businesses look to the government for direction and negative statements affect confidence.

Chris Lucas is arguably Melbourne's most successful restaurant owner. In case you didn't know his restaurants are Kissume, Chin Chin, Hawker Hall, Baby, Go Go Bar, Society, and Yakimono. He believes what Dan said will negatively impact an already fragile CBD.

As for the reality check comment, that may be right, but Dan has just fast tracked it. Maybe that was his endgame?

We are around the centre of the CBD

that office has been shut for 2 years now, and we suspect the plan is to relocate us rather than return (looking at smaller premises and possibly docklands)

 

[Ghost Patrol]

How many State public servants* work in the CBD ?

* i.e paid by the State Government

I don't care, it's clearly more cost effective if they can do that work from home.

Much better for work/life balance, people not spending hours commuting etc.

I really don't care if landlords make less money or take a loss. Most of CBD is owned by big business, it doesn't belong to the people. That can change, but it might take a few years.

 

[Kwality]

how do you get more people into the CBD for work is people are only working in the CBD 2-3 days a week?

Reality is the CBD business model needs to change

How rigorous is the examination of the effect of current work practices, e.g

It’s stunting a lot of careers’: NAB boss warns on work-from-home consequences​

 

[Ned_Flanders]

How rigorous is the examination of the effect of current work practices, e.g

It’s stunting a lot of careers’: NAB boss warns on work-from-home consequences​

From the companies i am dealing with, it's very rigorous. As mentioned, we have been looking into our new arrangement since 2020, with he, finance, ops, and senior leadership all involved

 

[Sttew]

Ok then. So it seems there was nothing untoward about Dan's comment that 60% of workers will only ever return to the CBD. How wrong was I to think such a defeatist comment won't impact on any business or would be investors.

What is the plan for the CBD? In the past 12 months at least half a dozen new major hotels have opened. They will not survive. Should we tell the Lord Mayor to stop spruiking the CBD? It's a lost cause.

 

[Kwality]

I don't care, it's clearly more cost effective if they can do that work from home.

Much better for work/life balance, people not spending hours commuting etc.

I really don't care if landlords make less money or take a loss. Most of CBD is owned by big business, it doesn't belong to the people. That can change, but it might take a few years.

Landlords include everyones super ... you are entitled to not care.

 

[Kwality]

From the companies i am dealing with, it's very rigorous. As mentioned, we have been looking into our new arrangement since 2020, with he, finance, ops, and senior leadership all involved

The NAB chiefs comments (stunting careers) was a consideration I had not seen discussed.
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[Ghost Patrol]

Ok then. So it seems there was nothing untoward about Dan's comment that 60% of workers will only ever return to the CBD. How wrong was I to think such a defeatist comment won't impact on any business or would be investors.

What is the plan for the CBD? In the past 12 months at least half a dozen new major hotels have opened. They will not survive. Should we tell the Lord Mayor to stop spruiking the CBD? It's a lost cause.

If the prices are low enough, people will stay at the hotels.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

The NAB chiefs comments (stunting careers) was a consideration I had seen discussed.

Some are returning 100%, but not all. My mate who works at the nab was told last year he's perma WFH (was in docklands before)

My work is perma WFH our Brisbane and Adel staff as we already have closed all of those offices.

 

[Sttew]

If the prices are low enough, people will stay at the hotels.

Who, when and where?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Landlords include everyones super ... you are entitled to not care.

I worked for a large CBD landlord (portfolio in the billions across Syd/Mel/Bris) for a few years, they were horrible people. The money they waste is astronomical

 

[Sttew]

I worked for a large CBD landlord (portfolio in the billions across Syd/Mel/Bris) for a few years, they were horrible people. The money they waste is astronomical

They do tend to look down at cleaners

 

[Ghost Patrol]

They do tend to look down at cleaners

What a stupid comment.

They look down on all their contractors.

 

[Sttew]

What a stupid comment.

They look down on all their contractors.

And you're complaining about landlords wasting money?

 

[Kwality]

Some are returning 100%, but not all. My mate who works at the nab was told last year he's perma WFH (was in docklands before)

My work is perma WFH our Brisbane and Adel staff as we already have closed all of those offices.

Sorry Ned, I was slow to notice a typo, my post should read 'not' seen considered ...

 

[Ghost Patrol]

And your you're complaining about landlords wasting money?

In response to Kwality claiming our super is effected by landlords losing money.

You're not very good with context, are you?

 

[Sttew]

In response to Kwality claiming our super is effected by landlords losing money.

You're not very good with context, are you?

I corrected that BEFORE you posted above!!

Unusual for grammar to be a strength of a contract cleaner!

 

[Kwality]

In response to Kwality claiming our super is effected by landlords losing money.

You're not very good with context, are you?

I was getting at the potential losses the landlords would incur in the value of the buildings based on reduced rentals, not the building managers who run the buildings for profit.