Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Xtreme]

And yet, IBAC found no evidence for Andrews or senior ministerial culpability.

Dan bribed them obviously

 

[adogsfan5]

Integrity failed under ScoMo & he wore it at the election with those votes going to the Teals, not Labor.

Victorian Ombudsman slams Premier's reaction to 'damning' report - ABC listen

Ombudsman Deborah Glass says Daniel Andrews' reaction to the report "speaks volumes for his views on integrity and corruption" and "not accepting there are damning findings in the report is disappointing".

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The Victorian Ombudsman has slammed Premier Daniel Andrews for referring to the damning Operation Daintree report as "educational".

Ombudsman Deborah Glass says Daniel Andrews' reaction to the report "speaks volumes for his views on integrity and corruption" and "not accepting there are damning findings in the report is disappointing".

There will be more excuses incoming regarding Deborah Glass.
I’ll go the “she’s seeking fame” one.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

I think sometimes the Libs get so obsessed with cutting staff that they don't realise this hobbles their ability to actually do anything.

SO they cut staff, then they go to do things and can't get anything done, or it's half-arsd.

We're talking about min staff here not Kennett killing off actual workers. Nobody needs an army of useless 20 something climbers running interference on any work the public service are trying to get through.

 

[Not Important]

the observation is that the role hitherto has been to report to the parliament on matters of concern. as does the auditor-general. deb baby has moved away from that accepted approach to becoming a player.

i guess as a conservative appointment who has had the benefit of the security of a long tenure that has less than 12 months to run you feel at ease about defying conventions. in my view the 10-year term the liberals appointed her for was too long. most of these statutory appointments are five-year terms, after which they are eligible for re-appointment.

 

[Saint]

There will be more excuses incoming regarding Deborah Glass.
I’ll go the “she’s seeking fame” one.

Yep, it's a thankless job, that's why they all end up leaving so jaded. They have the best intentions of revealing corruption, spend months or years investigating and crafting a finding in accordance with the weak-as-lettuce-leaf legislation and the Premier simply pretends she, and integrity, don't matter because corruption legislation is so full of holes you could drive a truckload full of cash through it.

Anyone would be p'd off in that position.

It doesn't matter if they're a partisan appointment because the Govt is supposed to be so far from corruption that it doesn't matter.

It's like the Worksafe people, you're not supposed to like them or get along with them, they're just supposed to keep you from being hurt/killed (or corrupt in this case).

 

[The Punter]

So what happens when a third party becomes a major party? Does it become corrupt as a matter of nature? Considering an organisation is merely a collection of people, you can change the culture of organisations. Restoring Matthew Guy to the leadership of the parliamentary party was a mistake, but it was not a decision I had any bearing on.

I'm surprised it took so long to play the "she was appointed by Liberals" card. At least it was accurate this time (someone earlier in this thread falsely claimed it about Robert Redlich). Also another way to say "she's become a player" is "know your place woman".

Finally, corruption has an IBAC definition and a definition that the rest of us understand it to be. I think many have made the distinction over the last week.

It is perfectly clear and has been for some time that the NSW standard would have claimed Andrews some time ago.

 

[adogsfan5]

Yep, it's a thankless job, that's why they all end up leaving so jaded. They have the best intentions of revealing corruption, spend months or years investigating and crafting a finding in accordance with the weak-as-lettuce-leaf legislation and the Premier simply pretends she, and integrity, don't matter because corruption legislation is so full of holes you could drive a truckload full of cash through it.

Anyone would be p'd off in that position.

It doesn't matter if they're a partisan appointment because the Govt is supposed to be so far from corruption that it doesn't matter.

It's like the Worksafe people, you're not supposed to like them or get along with them, they're just supposed to keep you from being hurt/killed (or corrupt in this case).

Very well said.

 

[fs88]

now there's a stretch.

How? Eg. I agree with the majority of what Vic Labor has done but there has also been some bad. But there will be nuffies who will still volunteer for elections and wear red shirts and blindly fanboi. Similar to the Fed Libs, we've just had the worst PM in the history of this country and the c*nt still got re-elected and his party still got a 30%ish primary vote.

 

[Not Important]

How? Eg. I agree with the majority of what Vic Labor has done but there has also been some bad. But there will be nuffies who will still volunteer for elections and wear red shirts and blindly fanboi. Similar to the Fed Libs, we've just had the worst PM in the history of this country and the c*nt still got re-elected and his party still got a 30%ish primary vote.

it's to do with you perhaps not grasping the full meaning of "cult"

 

[fs88]

it's to do with you perhaps not grasping the full meaning of "cult"

nah

 

[Sttew]

Dan Andrews:

“I want to make it clear – the cyclist hit our vehicle.”

And

“He (Ryan) was moving at speed, he absolutely T-boned the car, hit it at such force he was literally inside the car.”

Ambulance report:

“15YO on bike. Struck on L side by car travelling 40 to 60kmh … PT onto bonnet, then onto windscreen which cracked on impact … thrown onto roadway”

Who do you believe? And does it matter, I hear some ask? From the man who described the IBAC report as nothing more than “educational”, nobody can be surprised that Dan is a career liar.

 

[adogsfan5]

Dan Andrews:

“I want to make it clear – the cyclist hit our vehicle.”

And

“He (Ryan) was moving at speed, he absolutely T-boned the car, hit it at such force he was literally inside the car.”

Ambulance report:

“15YO on bike. Struck on L side by car travelling 40 to 60kmh … PT onto bonnet, then onto windscreen which cracked on impact … thrown onto roadway”

Who do you believe? And does it matter, I hear some ask? From the man who described the IBAC report as nothing more than “educational”, nobody can be surprised that Dan is a career liar.

Grey corruption / Ambo drivers wanting fame / Pesutto would have hit the cyclist harder / murdoch / educational.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Dan Andrews:

“I want to make it clear – the cyclist hit our vehicle.”

And

“He (Ryan) was moving at speed, he absolutely T-boned the car, hit it at such force he was literally inside the car.”

Ambulance report:

“15YO on bike. Struck on L side by car travelling 40 to 60kmh … PT onto bonnet, then onto windscreen which cracked on impact … thrown onto roadway”

Who do you believe? And does it matter, I hear some ask? From the man who described the IBAC report as nothing more than “educational”, nobody can be surprised that Dan is a career liar.

who gives a shit about some ****ing cyclist incident 10 years ago?
****ing useless media - gets back to during the election campaign, andrews is at the Northern, just after a herald sun article attacking the Northern ED, and all the useless ****ing hacks do is ask questions about this ****ing cyclist

yes this shit****ery does my head in

 

[Xtreme]

Dan Andrews:

“I want to make it clear – the cyclist hit our vehicle.”

And

“He (Ryan) was moving at speed, he absolutely T-boned the car, hit it at such force he was literally inside the car.”

Ambulance report:

“15YO on bike. Struck on L side by car travelling 40 to 60kmh … PT onto bonnet, then onto windscreen which cracked on impact … thrown onto roadway”

Who do you believe? And does it matter, I hear some ask? From the man who described the IBAC report as nothing more than “educational”, nobody can be surprised that Dan is a career liar.

Daniel Andrews has never lied, he just has the memory of a 90 year old that can't recall what he had for breakfast let alone life or death decisions that impact on all Victorians.

 

[The Punter]

I'd just make two points:

• Michael Warner is the journo on this. So it's not the usual state rounds guys at the H-Sun (Deery, Johnston, etc).
• Why the discrepancy between the two stories? Sometimes the lie is the problem but the lie is understandable. But if the Premier's wife was driving the car, what's the political issue? I'm not asking this to lead you to a conclusion, I'm genuinely baffled. Seems an odd hill to die on.

 

[adogsfan5]

who gives a s*t about some ****** cyclist incident 10 years ago?
******* useless media - gets back to during the election campaign, andrews is at the Northern, just after a herald sun article attacking the Northern ED, and all the useless ******* hacks do is ask questions about this ******* cyclist

yes this s**t*ery does my head in

What’s more important - the fact that it’s deemed annoying/draining that this has hit the news again (which it is), OR, that he blatantly lied?
It then leads to, why did he lie.

 

[Crankyhawk]

What’s more important - the fact that it’s deemed annoying/draining that this has hit the news again (which it is), OR, that he blatantly lied?

Its important that the media missed the ****ing point then, and it is triggering that they continue to focus on this instead of the shitstorm that is my local part of the health system.

I couldn't even watch that channel 9 "health watch" because they were promoting it with RMH ED (the hospital who have stolen many of our nurses) and they are saying "oh we are so busy/ not coping" and the shots are (to my standard) relatively empty corridors and bays. FMD

 

[Satan]

Driver was not breathalysed too

 

[adogsfan5]

Its important that the media missed the ******* point then, and it is triggering that they continue to focus on this instead of the shitstorm that is my local part of the health system.

I couldn't even watch that channel 9 "health watch" because they were promoting it with RMH ED (the hospital who have stolen many of our nurses) and they are saying "oh we are so busy/ not coping" and the shots are (to my standard) relatively empty corridors and bays. FMD

Don’t get me wrong, totally get that they are biased and why you would be triggered by that as it impacts you big time. But he has blatantly lied about hitting a cyclist. Which then begs the question, why?

Are any other news outlets reporting on your local health system?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Don’t get me wrong, totally get that they are biased and why you would be triggered by that as it impacts you big time. But he has blatantly lied about hitting a cyclist. Which then begs the question, why?

Are any other news outlets reporting on your local health system?

On the first - you get asked questions multiple times about incidents a long time ago, the answers change over time. And maybe Cath lied to him about what happened first. I don't know. More I know everyone ****ing lies at some point. Politicians probably more than most. So this type of lie for me is ****ing "meh"

And no news outlets ever seem to talk about the Northern. We are the poor stepchild out the back, in an area with massive social disadvantage (we cover all the way out past Broadmeadows to almost Sunbury, out towards Eltham, down to Preston and up north to/ past Seymour) and while GPs everywhere are dropping bulk billing, its areas where people are financially worse off that cannot afford to make the co payment. So they come to ED (crowded, bad), or consult with virtual ED (which is good, in that it is free, but it isn't as good as a GP that knows you - not that you'd get that via physical ED either)

But in the media its all the perceived woes that the luxury tertiaries seem to think they have in their ED.

 

[GreyWind]

Anyone got the AV Report into the incident?

 

[Golden_6]

The ambulance report would've been taken directly from the cyclist at the time of the incident correct? I'm assuming there were no other witnesses so this is just simply a rehashed he said/she said scenario.

 

[The Punter]

The ambulance report would've been taken directly from the cyclist at the time of the incident correct? I'm assuming there were no other witnesses so this is just simply a rehashed he said/she said scenario.

So ambulance reports only take into account what people say and not the extent of injuries? I mean, there is other evidence available at the scene of a crash.

But the cyclist is entitled to his view.

 

[Crankyhawk]

So ambulance reports only take into account what people say and not the extent of injuries? I mean, there is other evidence available at the scene of a crash.

But the cyclist is entitled to his view.

ambulance report usually written after arrival to hospital and after offload - locally now that can be several hours, so some error may creep in - though probably less of an issue 10+ years ago. Some reports are pretty minimal too.

 

[adogsfan5]

So ambulance reports only take into account what people say and not the extent of injuries? I mean, there is other evidence available at the scene of a crash.

But the cyclist is entitled to his view.

There’s a pretty big difference between t-boned at a stationary position to being hit at 40-60km and struck on left hand side.