Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Saint]

Here's how much of the bike path you can see from the intersection before you turn into the road.

It's almost 100% certain that the car turned into the road before the bike was visible, then they arrived at the trail crossing at the same time and the bike should have given way to the car (who they almost certainly couldn't see if they were going any faster than about 15-20km/h.)

The only way the story is any different to that is if the bicycle was stationary on the road or being walked across the road, which I don't think the cyclist has claimed.

 

[Saint]

Was Andrews car stationary and t-boned by the cyclist - yes or no?

I doubt the car was stationary, unless the driver saw the cyclist at the last second and was driving very cautiously.

But it's almost certain that the cyclist hit the car when the cyclist should have given way.

 

[adogsfan5]

I doubt the car was stationary, unless the driver saw the cyclist at the last second and was driving very cautiously.

But it's almost certain that the cyclist hit the car when the cyclist should have given way.

Then why not state that in the initial report? If they weren’t at fault and were just driving as per the speed limit, why not just say the cyclist should have given way?

Why did he say they were t-boned and were at a complete stop? which contradicts the AV report.
No breatho on the scene either.

Not sure how it’s classified as garbage. We’re being misled, yes you are absolutely correct, but it’s not by the media.

 

[Saint]

Was Andrews car stationary and t-boned by the cyclist - yes or no?

I just read Catherine Andrews' statement, she didn't say the car was stationary. What are you people on?

 

[Saint]

Then why not state that in the initial report? If they weren’t at fault and were just driving as per the speed limit, why not just say the cyclist should have given way?

Why did he say they were t-boned and were at a complete stop? which contradicts the AV report.
No breatho on the scene either.

Not sure how it’s classified as garbage. We’re being misled, yes you are absolutely correct, but it’s not by the media.

Your reading comprehension skills need work.

Both state that they turned from Stationary (on Melbourne Road) and were moving when the bike hit them.

There was also a car immediately behind them who also turned into Ridley Street.

Inside the mysterious Dan and Catherine Andrews car crash case

Questions over the 2013 car accident involving Dan Andrews and a teen cyclist continue to swirl after a series of bombshell claims highlighted major lapses in how police handled the case.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Gralin]

step gate failed, better try cycle gate

 

[adogsfan5]

I just read Catherine Andrews' statement, she didn't say the car was stationary. What are you people on?

“Came to a complete stop / turned right from a stationary position just moments before the collision” is nowhere near in line with the AV report.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

You don't think the Herald Sun has spoken to a dozen crash investigators and received this advice?

A journo doing research for an article? Why would they do that?

 

[GreyWind]

“Came to a complete stop / turned right from a stationary position just moments before the collision” is nowhere near in line with the AV report.

You really need to get off the AV report.

 

[adogsfan5]

You really need to get off the AV report.

Why, because you don’t like what’s in it?

 

[GreyWind]

Yeah true, let’s just focus on the Andrews’ side of the story.

That’s gotta be the one that’s true and correct.

I never said to do that but you're placing way too much emphasis on a sentence from a PCR that hasn't been produced.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Regardless of how it happened, a teenager knocked off a bike is a fair price for the unprecedented investments in infrastructure that we've all benefited from.

 

[adogsfan5]

I never said to do that but you're placing way too much emphasis on a sentence from a PCR.

But it goes against what was claimed.

So, why wouldn’t I?

Two completely different stories, one that doesn’t line up with the injuries sustained, and no breatho done at the scene. I’m sorry, but if that doesn’t stink to you, regardless of what side of politics you sit on, then I find that worrying.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

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Here's how much of the bike path you can see from the intersection before you turn into the road.

It's almost 100% certain that the car turned into the road before the bike was visible, then they arrived at the trail crossing at the same time and the bike should have given way to the car (who they almost certainly couldn't see if they were going any faster than about 15-20km/h.)

The only way the story is any different to that is if the bicycle was stationary on the road or being walked across the road, which I don't think the cyclist has claimed.

When you look at that no wonder someone got hit. No visibility there at all.

 

[GreyWind]

But it goes against what was claimed.

So, why wouldn’t I?

Two completely different stories, one that doesn’t line up with the injuries sustained, and no breatho done at the scene. I’m sorry, but if that doesn’t stink to you, regardless of what side of politics you sit on, then I find that worrying.

I'll ask again how many PCRs have you read?

I haven't mentioned the beatho so no idea why you're bringing that up. But yes it should have been done due to a MVA occuring.

 

[adogsfan5]

I'll ask again how many PCRs have you read?

I haven't mentioned the beatho so no idea why you're bringing that up. But yes it should have been done due to a MVA occuring.

What does that have to do with what’s being reported?
Do you need experience in that department in order to make a comment, do you?

I know you didn’t bring it up, but just another question mark over the incident for you to ponder over.

 

[Saint]

A journo doing research for an article? Why would they do that?

Yes, my point is that they probably did this research and since the answer didn't suit the narrative, they didn't print it.

That's not journalism, it's PR. THey're not printing parts of the story which don't suit their narrative.

 

[Saint]

But it goes against what was claimed.

So, why wouldn’t I?

Two completely different stories, one that doesn’t line up with the injuries sustained, and no breatho done at the scene. I’m sorry, but if that doesn’t stink to you, regardless of what side of politics you sit on, then I find that worrying.

THere's not two completely different stories. There's just one. Car turns corner and bike hits it. environment probably most at fault, but technically it was the cyclists' fault. Then the cops stuffed up by not doing a breatho which wouldn't have changed anything (it was 1pm).

 

[GreyWind]

What does that have to do with what’s being reported?
Do you need experience in that department in order to make a comment, do you?

I know you didn’t bring it up, but just another question mark over the incident for you to ponder over.

So PCR's aren't standardised in the way they are written for starters. Each ambo writes them differently with widely differing degrees of detail. This is why you can't just go off a single sentence from a PCR without reading the whole thing.

I don't need to ponder over it, the wrong thing was done plain and simple. Cath Andrews should have had a breatho done.

 

[madmug]

A journo doing research for an article? Why would they do that?

I think we've seen enough of how the Murdoch press operate here, the US & in the UK.

Who knows how they work this out. Asking experts anything has never been part of their modus operandi.

 

[Saint]

So PCR's aren't standardised in the way they are written for starters. Each ambo writes them differently with widely differing degrees of detail. This is why you can't just go off a single sentence from a PCR without reading the whole thing.

I don't need to ponder over it, the wrong thing was done plain and simple. Cath Andrews should have had a breatho done.

Considering they'd been at the beach with the kids and it's 1pm, the breatho is still a massive red-herring. It should have been done as a matter of course, but it wouldn't have changed the story one bit.

Unless the contention is that this mother of 3 has downed a bottle of champers while at the beach with the Premier, and still managed to take the bend at 100 km/h in a Ford Territory.

You think the Premier and family can get drunk at the beach in the middle of the day in January on the Peninsula and nobody notices?

There's no evidence they were drinking, I bet they wish they were breatho'd. IBAC looked into why they weren't breatho'd and took no further action.

 

[The Punter]

Just for clarity, he was Opposition Leader when the crash occurred.

 

[Groucho]

Considering they'd been at the beach with the kids and it's 1pm, the breatho is still a massive red-herring. It should have been done as a matter of course, but it wouldn't have changed the story one bit.

Unless the contention is that this mother of 3 has downed a bottle of champers while at the beach with the Premier, and still managed to take the bend at 100 km/h in a Ford Territory.

You think the Premier and family can get drunk at the beach in the middle of the day in January on the Peninsula and nobody notices?

There's no evidence they were drinking, I bet they wish they were breatho'd. IBAC looked into why they weren't breatho'd and took no further action.

Also he wasn’t premier when it happened

 

[hawkman]

And a state opposition leader well before an election is almost a nobody unless they are in a scandal

You sometimes wonder if the Herald Sun are the Premier's biggest supporter. Bringing this up again doesn't harm him

 

[Saint]

Also he wasn’t premier when it happened

/s And nobody on the Peninsula would want to have a bad word to say about the ALP opposition leader /s