Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[FredLeDeux]

I've been the beneficiary of a couple of country cops looking the other way, but then again I've never run a kid off his bike.

I think a Rye P-Plater in a shitbox Commodore would have been breathalyzed. But I don't think it was a grand conspiracy.

You don't think they did do a breathalyser, but the results ended up in the same place as Bolte's blood test?

 

[Rob R]

Another tax suddenly required after the election. Social housing is important but perhaps Dan shouldn't have given all those dodgy big contracts to his CCP and union mates resulting in predictable cost blow-outs.

We need the type of IBAC and ICAC the Greens support not the watered down ALP version.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/property-tax-hike-on-agenda-to-help-fund-andrews-government-affordable-housing-agenda/news-story/0ebace12968a37e3ba2edc40a6d16dfb

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[Chief]

Social housing is important but perhaps Dan shouldn't have given all those dodgy big contracts to his CCP and union mates resulting in predictable cost blow-outs.

What are the numbers? Per unit? Compared to expected costs per units of similar size?

 

[Rob R]

What are the numbers? Per unit? Compared to expected costs per units of similar size?

I don't know the costs of social housing, I am referring to the mismanagement of metro rail etc.

(Still better than the libs do nothing approach)

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[Chief]

The YouTube pundits are all on the "California public housing is a funnel for public money to developers" train.

Wouldn't surprise me if the same happened in Vic or other states here.

 

[Bombermania]

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Here's how much of the bike path you can see from the intersection before you turn into the road.

It's almost 100% certain that the car turned into the road before the bike was visible, then they arrived at the trail crossing at the same time and the bike should have given way to the car (who they almost certainly couldn't see if they were going any faster than about 15-20km/h.)

The only way the story is any different to that is if the bicycle was stationary on the road or being walked across the road, which I don't think the cyclist has claimed.

Looking at that photo, if Andrews has turned into that street, it is entirely possible she didn't see the kid on the bike because her eye sight would have been looking for any oncoming cars, and if there was none then she would have started accelerating. The Peninsula has many narrow roads like this and its easy to not see a cyclist coming.

 

[Kwality]

‘Simply wrong’: Andrews hits back over Indigenous firms scandal

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has responded to allegations that the CFMEU has been illegally forcing Indigenous firms off state infrastructure projects.

www.afr.com

No problem recollecting here, nor with the car crash.
Nothing to see here.

 

[geoffjennings79]

It makes them look desperate.
Long run it damages thier credibility to the point of looking unhinged.
There's a reason why the IBAC stuff isn't having an impact. Crap like the sun have been trying to nail him of every little thing. The IBAC thing should have had more traction but it gets buried with the unhinged stuff.

Nailed it. HS going overboard on every "incident' waters down the impact of any credible concerns.
The problem I'd suggest is - no one at the HS has the intellect to realise this, and just take every random 'conspiracy' and run with it.

A competent, non-partisan editorial team would be able to better differentiate degrees of criticality and worthy of genuine journalistic analysis.
Alas, it's the HS....

 

[Saint]

Nailed it. HS going overboard on every "incident' waters down the impact of any credible concerns.
The problem I'd suggest is - no one at the HS has the intellect to realise this, and just take every random 'conspiracy' and run with it.

A competent, non-partisan editorial team would be able to better differentiate degrees of criticality and worthy of genuine journalistic analysis.
Alas, it's the HS....

I think they think that bombardment with "corruption" every week and throw enough mud and some will stick.

But all it appears to be doing is radicalising a few readers to think every story about corruption is further proof, and everybody else has tuned out completely.

Can they keep this up for 3 years?

I can just see Andrews stepping down after 10 years at the helm with no scandal attached, and the Hun headline will be "Failed leader quits in disgrace" then a list of their so-called scandals and very little mention of any of the good things he keeps getting voted in for.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Dan bribed them obviously

lmao

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Another tax suddenly required after the election. Social housing is important but perhaps Dan shouldn't have given all those dodgy big contracts to his CCP and union mates resulting in predictable cost blow-outs.

We need the type of IBAC and ICAC the Greens support not the watered down ALP version.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/property-tax-hike-on-agenda-to-help-fund-andrews-government-affordable-housing-agenda/news-story/0ebace12968a37e3ba2edc40a6d16dfb

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Wait, the CCP is building Victorian infrastructure and affordable housing, since when?

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

The YouTube pundits are all on the "California public housing is a funnel for public money to developers" train.

Wouldn't surprise me if the same happened in Vic or other states here.

Add on that bizarre 15 min city conspiracy, which I still don't understand.

Is the underlying premise that more convenient and easy to navigate cities are somehow a tyranical plot to improve peoples quality of life?

 

[GreyWind]

Add on that bizarre 15 min city conspiracy, which I still don't understand.

Is the underlying premise that more convenient and easy to navigate cities are somehow a tyranical plot to improve peoples quality of life?

It's some weird conspiracy where you can only stay in your designated 15min city and there will be checkpoints stopping people from leaving. But conspiracy theorists have never really thought things through properly.

 

[adogsfan5]

Add on that bizarre 15 min city conspiracy, which I still don't understand.

Is the underlying premise that more convenient and easy to navigate cities are somehow a tyranical plot to improve peoples quality of life?

Makes no sense. Why would the government want to keep you confined within 15 mins lol? Last I checked, they wanted people heading into the CBD and around the state.

 

[Rob R]

Wait, the CCP is building Victorian infrastructure and affordable housing, since when?

Metro Trains Victoria % owned by CCP controlled companies

Metro Tunnel - John Holland is a major partner (CCP controlled)

North East Link - Multiple CCP controlled major contractors.

Majority of level crossing removals - CCP controlled companies.

All awarded after Dan was warned by public servants he was giving CCP contractors unfair advantages and all with major cost blow-outs.

He hasn't awarded social housing yet, I was saying his poor contract mgmt and CCP favouritism means he has to raise taxes to pay for things like social housing.

Note, I agree we are better off than under the do nothing libs but there should be a law passed that no company partially owned by any foreign government is allowed to bid for any government funded work.










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[peetoo]

So John Holland only gets work from the vic govt and not other govts? Might need t rethink the share portfolio

Unless, of course, the post is rubbish

Btw optus. Singapore govt

Metro. French consortium etc etc

 

[Chief]

Is the underlying premise that more convenient and easy to navigate cities are somehow a tyranical plot to improve peoples quality of life?

Basically welding your door shut with you inside.

 

[Rob R]

So John Holland only gets work from the vic govt and not other govts? Might need t rethink the share portfolio

Unless, of course, the post is rubbish

Btw optus. Singapore govt

Metro. French consortium etc etc

They probably do get work from other governments but only one premier was warned he was favouring them after getting overseas junkets partially paid for them.

Optus should be banned as well as the rule should be universal no foreign govt owned companies building or managing any infrastructure.

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[peetoo]

Basically welding your door shut with you inside.

We had the North Korea style travel ban which apparently was very popular. So in a way Australians are just itching to be a dictatorship, not the irreverent lot we like to think of ourselves.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

So John Holland only gets work from the vic govt and not other govts? Might need t rethink the share portfolio

Unless, of course, the post is rubbish

Btw optus. Singapore govt

Metro. French consortium etc etc

Metro Trains Australia( the parent company of Metro Trains Melbourne and Metro Trains Sydney) is made up of MTR, John Holland and United Group Limited.

The Metro contract was awarded under Brumby for what its worth.

 

[Saint]

Metro Trains Victoria % owned by CCP controlled companies

Metro Tunnel - John Holland is a major partner (CCP controlled)

North East Link - Multiple CCP controlled major contractors.

Majority of level crossing removals - CCP controlled companies.

All awarded after Dan was warned by public servants he was giving CCP contractors unfair advantages and all with major cost blow-outs.

He hasn't awarded social housing yet, I was saying his poor contract mgmt and CCP favouritism means he has to raise taxes to pay for things like social housing.

Note, I agree we are better off than under the do nothing libs but there should be a law passed that no company partially owned by any foreign government is allowed to bid for any government funded work.










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North East Link is run by WeBuild, a Spanish company (with very small Chinese contractor involved). They beat a Chinese-led consortium for the job.

Kind of makes your little list look silly now.

Metro is half-spanish consortium

If you looked at the designers of every job, it's mostly American companies (because that reflects the market). Maybe it's the yanks who are behind the 15 minute cities mind control.

Also, if you're going to have a 15 minute blockade, why are they building North East Link and Melbourne Metro and West Gate Tunnel and Suburban Rail Loop, all projects designed to take people more than 15 minutes from their homes?

 

[hawkman]

Metro Trains Australia( the parent company of Metro Trains Melbourne and Metro Trains Sydney) is made up of MTR, John Holland and United Group Limited.

The Metro contract was awarded under Brumby for what its worth.

Before they were taken over as well

 

[peetoo]

Melbourne sets it’s own trends anyway

Just south of the river, we simultaneously rejuvenated the area and ran a freeway through it

 

[Kwality]

But the approach of the Murdoch press is to use language like 'bombshell evidence', when it isn't justified - they have their well-established agenda - and the proprietor has form. And there are plenty of people without critical thinking skills who are more than happy to just swallow it if it aligns with their pre-conceptions.

Surely the Murdoch press are alone (sic) attracting 'plenty of people without critical thinking skills who are more than happy to just swallow it if it aligns with their pre-conceptions.'

Got a mirror Jimmy ?

Try here:

Andrews blasts RBA for ‘smashing families’​

Dans latest version of blame the Feds:

“So of course we went and borrowed. And we were also assured - don’t worry, cost of capital is low, historically low. And we did borrow some money at historically low rates.'

 

[Kwality]

Metro Trains Victoria % owned by CCP controlled companies

Metro Tunnel - John Holland is a major partner (CCP controlled)

North East Link - Multiple CCP controlled major contractors.

Majority of level crossing removals - CCP controlled companies.

All awarded after Dan was warned by public servants he was giving CCP contractors unfair advantages and all with major cost blow-outs.

He hasn't awarded social housing yet, I was saying his poor contract mgmt and CCP favouritism means he has to raise taxes to pay for things like social housing.

Note, I agree we are better off than under the do nothing libs but there should be a law passed that no company partially owned by any foreign government is allowed to bid for any government funded work.










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How did you satisfy yourself the ownership claimed is correct?
If true it is disconcerting for 'Australia- made'.
As a kid in WA in the 50s the family car had a 'buy WA made' sticker, & thats what put food on the table.