Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Ned_Flanders]

Probably just as many as the other states, unless we are especially stupid down here.

I think NSW and Vic copped it the worst (for obv reasons)

 

[Opine]

We should aspire to be better instead of putting band-aids over gaping wounds like you and your ignorant mate Rita would have us do.

I thought Gralin made some very good points on the matter, only some of which were reflected in my most recent post.

Better doesn't mean to stop accommodating responsible technology . That's how we'll lose traction in promoting the value of social responsibility . We can do both.

 

[Opine]

Switching from petrol to EV but changing nothing else about how we currently use cars isn't feasible or beneficial

People that write articles trying to sabotage attempts to change our city planning from car centric should get in the bin because they aren't helping

We need to decentralize work, we need alternatives to driving, we need much better short travel options and communities built for those shorter travel options

I don't think she was doing that. She was discussing a relevant point and doing so helps us find ways of getting on the same page.

I think we've found appropriate solution to that archaic need to have workers on location per the days of workplace master servant relationship.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Better doesn't mean to stop accommodating responsible technology . That's how we'll lose traction in promoting the value of social responsibility . We can do both.

Where did I say to stop accommodating responsible technology? Of course we need to accommodate EV's but we also need to embrace other measures. We need to embrace the idea of cycling/waking and allow for this within our CBD infrastructure. We need to find ways to take cars out of the CBD, and off roads entirely. We need to improve our public transport offer...I have stated all of this above. It is not just about cyclists but it can no longer be about people who drive as the primary focus.

Did you read Panahi's drivel this morning? This is a woman who really should have stuck with her Friday slot on SEN with Daniel Harford because she is ill-equipped to offer much else. And frankly, her absolute and obvious hatred for this city disqualifies her from commenting on it as far as I am concerned. Every single thing this spiteful and nasty woman contributes is laced with venom. And none of it serves any purpose other than to shit on this place and those who call it home.

I am not sure why you got your nose out of joint. Nothing I have posted is in the least bit controversial and if you had read Panahi's latest contribution to splintering this place then you may actually see that I have a point.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

I don't think she was doing that. She was discussing a relevant point and doing so helps us find ways of getting on the same page.

I think we've found appropriate solution to that archaic need to have workers on location per the days of workplace master servant relationship.

She was absolutely doing that.

And the reason I know this is by her use of language...every single thing the woman has published contains some pathetic reference to "the Left" or "Leftists" or the "woke" and so on.

Panahi exists only to fuel political and social division.

 

[adogsfan5]

It begs a couple questions:

- were we always this under staffed with Ambos? And if so why has nothing been done?

- or is it because we’ve lost staff due to vaccine mandates? And if so, doesn’t that defeat the purpose of saving covid lives if we’re going to lose others?

 

[Gralin]

Evolution not revolution.

No one is saying to merely focus on EV. Conversely, "Hawke" is saying to merely focus on bikes. We need an appropriately suited combination.

You wrote - Majorly throwing out motor vehicles to accommodate bikes, rather than encouraging a switch to EV, isn't the answer as it would primarily benefit those who live within riding distance.

You presented a binary of bikes or EVs, I suggested EVs aren't the answer, only part of it

Better doesn't mean to stop accommodating responsible technology . That's how we'll lose traction in promoting the value of social responsibility . We can do both.

Ah social responsibility where climate change is the individuals problem not the corporations or the governments, outstanding IPA style thinking you have there

I don't think she was doing that. She was discussing a relevant point and doing so helps us find ways of getting on the same page.

I think we've found appropriate solution to that archaic need to have workers on location per the days of workplace master servant relationship.

she was doing the reducing cars in the cbd is bad thing

It begs a couple questions:

- were we always this under staffed with Ambos? And if so why has nothing been done?

- or is it because we’ve lost staff due to vaccine mandates? And if so, doesn’t that defeat the purpose of saving covid lives if we’re going to lose others?

so it was an issue before covid and from what I know from a paramedic the burnout is the biggest issue now, not vaccine mandates but 12 hour shifts in full PPE dealing with people that don't think covid is real and a seriously overloaded health system

when you already don't have enough staff and people start quitting it just makes it worse for those left, but I'm not blaming the paramedics that quit, its a ****ing brutal job

 

[Crankyhawk]

Are the 000 services still dealing with cvoidiots wanting an ambo to take them to hospital just for being symptomatic?

This was October so more were actually sick (delta) and lower vaccination rate AND there was thunderstorm asthma alert too

 

[Ned_Flanders]

This was October so more were actually sick (delta) and lower vaccination rate AND there was thunderstorm asthma alert too

I thought we had the same issue as NSW too

 

[Crankyhawk]

It begs a couple questions:

- were we always this under staffed with Ambos? And if so why has nothing been done?

- or is it because we’ve lost staff due to vaccine mandates? And if so, doesn’t that defeat the purpose of saving covid lives if we’re going to lose others?

Ambulance offload is harder due to access block in the hospitals.
Some ED also do not appear to give a shit about AV offload reasoning at least there’s a HCW looking after them
In December/Jan there was many ambulances off road due to having covid. As well as less response staff in call centres (just like fewer doctors and nurses too)

 

[Crankyhawk]

I thought we had the same issue as NSW too

My local hospital has the virtual Ed which essentially enabled ambulance to hook up to a Tele doctor do obs then decide if transport needed or not. So may not reflect other hospitals experience.

This virtual Ed is going statewide. Except Monash and Alfred who are doing their own (not sure why it does on face value appear to be snobbery that it was my humble metro hospital rather than their overfunded luxury hospitals)

 

[tandino]

Why such a big fight over something so little?

Firefighters’ union turns on Labor over compensation scheme

United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall has threatened to campaign against the Labor Party in 15 marginal state seats in a row over payout legislation for firefighters who develop cancer.

www.theage.com.au

• The Victorian government wants to expand a scheme that grants presumptive workplace compensation for firefighters who develop certain types of cancer.
• The firefighters’ union has vowed to campaign against the Labor government if the scheme is expanded when it comes before the upper house this week.
• The union claims expanding the eligibility criteria will undermine the scheme.

How strange.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Why such a big fight over something so little?

Firefighters’ union turns on Labor over compensation scheme

United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall has threatened to campaign against the Labor Party in 15 marginal state seats in a row over payout legislation for firefighters who develop cancer.

www.theage.com.au

• The Victorian government wants to expand a scheme that grants presumptive workplace compensation for firefighters who develop certain types of cancer.
• The firefighters’ union has vowed to campaign against the Labor government if the scheme is expanded when it comes before the upper house this week.
• The union claims expanding the eligibility criteria will undermine the scheme.

How strange.

ive given up trying to keep track of the MFB vs CFA politics TBH (and i have a mate who is in the MFB and was ex-CFA)

 

[tandino]

ive given up trying to keep track of the MFB vs CFA politics TBH (and i have a mate who is in the MFB and was ex-CFA)

There's no keeping track on this one, it doesn't make sense.

 

[Navyblues09]

Why such a big fight over something so little?

Firefighters’ union turns on Labor over compensation scheme

United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall has threatened to campaign against the Labor Party in 15 marginal state seats in a row over payout legislation for firefighters who develop cancer.

www.theage.com.au

• The Victorian government wants to expand a scheme that grants presumptive workplace compensation for firefighters who develop certain types of cancer.
• The firefighters’ union has vowed to campaign against the Labor government if the scheme is expanded when it comes before the upper house this week.
• The union claims expanding the eligibility criteria will undermine the scheme.

How strange.

It’s impossible to understand, but it would be great if Marshall turned on Andrews now!

 

[Navyblues09]

ive given up trying to keep track of the MFB vs CFA politics TBH (and i have a mate who is in the MFB and was ex-CFA)

Although this one has nothing to do with the CFA v UFU fight.

 

[Navyblues09]

Episode 97. Further evidence of lies and wasted money.

The government told us new FRV industrial agreement would cost taxpayers $160 Million over 4 years. Data released to the Age under FOI suggests the cost was a lot more. A leaked CFA document from 2016 suggested the figure was likely to be $663M, and this now is looking more realistic than $160M.

Here’s one reason why - the new FRV has a disproportionate number of chiefs and commanders compared to Police and the fire services in NSW.

Under the agreement senior FRV officials will receive private cars. That’s fine. But in Victoria FRV has 57 assistant commissioners, compared to 6 in NSW or 16 at Victoria Police. FRV has 237 commanders compared to 45 in NSW and 13 in VicPol.

Why does FRV need so many “chiefs”? And why did the MFB deplete all of its cash reserves in implementing the new Agreement?

Cue the LOL and “nothing to see” responses

As one of those commanders, it’s because they are also supplied to the CFA as well as FRV and FRV still hasn’t actually supplied enough commanders to CFA.

Also I’m guessing rank is not very comparable between VicPol and the fire services. Plus I wonder if the ‘Assistant Commissioners’ you’re talking about are actually Assistant Chief Fire Officers, who are a few ranks below what Assistant Commissioner would be.

Basically fire services rank from bottom to top is:
Firefighter, Leading Firefighter, Station Officer, Senior Station Officer, Commander, Assistant Chief Fire Officer, Assistant Chief Officer, Deputy Chief Officer, Chief Officer.

Slightly different in FRV where we have a Commissioner instead of Chief then Lord Marshall above him.

But under the old MFB and now FRV structure, the reason for so many commanders is because no one is allowed to do anything without a commander holding their hand. Whilst in CFA a commander only attends incidents which are large and complex, the old MFB fireys can’t run any fire and have to get a commander to do it.

Basically a volunteer firefighter has more experience running fires than a Senior Station Officer in the old MFB. Yet that’s the structure Lord Marshall thinks is the best way to runs fire service.

 

[Gralin]

Jesus but Lord Marshall makes me think of the Children of Light sounds very much like a religious militia rather than say fighters of earthly fire

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Why such a big fight over something so little?

Firefighters’ union turns on Labor over compensation scheme

United Firefighters Union secretary Peter Marshall has threatened to campaign against the Labor Party in 15 marginal state seats in a row over payout legislation for firefighters who develop cancer.

www.theage.com.au

• The Victorian government wants to expand a scheme that grants presumptive workplace compensation for firefighters who develop certain types of cancer.
• The firefighters’ union has vowed to campaign against the Labor government if the scheme is expanded when it comes before the upper house this week.
• The union claims expanding the eligibility criteria will undermine the scheme.

How strange.

More to do with it covering less types of cancers under an expanded legislation.

 

[The Punter]

IMO more to do with it covering more fire services employees who may not have high levels of union membership.

 

[adogsfan5]

 

[Crankyhawk]

IMO more to do with it covering more fire services employees who may not have high levels of union membership.

Firefighters don’t respect the mechanics who keep the trucks running…

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I use public transport regularly as a way to get into Melbourne from my regional Victoria home. I used public transport when I lived in Melbourne. And there is certainly also a "if you build it, they will come" element to major public transport projects.

But there are cultural issues at play with why people choose to drive over catch the train or a tram or a bus, and public transport advocates need better ways to get people out of cars than punitive measures targeting people who people who do drive, and the "eat your vegetables" approach which seems to be the only rhetorical approach in use.

It stars with and ends with frequency.
Most trains and trams in Melbourne sit somewhere between the 10-30 minute wait mark. Head into the night and it's 30-60 minute wait.
For the most part they're usable. It can be better though.

The buses are the big problem. Most people live near a bus stop than they do a station or tram stop.
The vast majority of buses are 30 plus minute wait and the vast majority stop running after 9PM.
The the routes themselves are a problem. Too many of them take you for a grand tour of a suburb.

Governments look at public transport as a demand led thing when in reality it's a supply lead one. Proving a frequent time competitive public transport servicr means people will use it.

No one wants to use a bus that runs once an hour and takes forever

 

[Sttew]

If only our forefathers (i.e., previous governments over the past 150 years) focused on public transport needs like they did with parks and gardens, we might have ended up with a London like public transport system

 

[QuietB]

For all those that hate Dan Andrew’s, imagine for a second the federal government were in charge of Victoria’s CoVid response. It is a petrifying thought