Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Gralin]

citylink isnt 80 for revenue raising, its for traffic flow

get a bottle and fill it up with water, and then:

1) time how long it takes to empty when upside down

2) time how long it takes to empty when pouring it out so there is always an air gap in the mouth

the second empties quicker because while the first has higher speed, its stop start due to the water bottlenecking

as traffic approaches the city offramps congestion is inevitable, but by slowing down the traffic the congestion doesnt build up as much and the traffic actually moves more quickly

the same theory works for the new drip feed on ramps during peak hour

Also more people can go up an escalator if both side of the step are full of people standing than one side kept free for walkers

 

[Evolved1]

Back to your entitlement being an issue

As opposed to the entitlement of the person hogging the right lane illegally. How do you feel about them?

 

[Gralin]

As opposed to the entitlement of the person hogging the right lane illegally. How do you feel about them?

If they are doing the speed limit and there is traffic in the other lanes then they are entitled to be there
If there isn't they should move over but you could also go around them without causing any problems

You seem to think the right lane belongs to speeders it doesn't

 

[Evolved1]

If they are doing the speed limit and there is traffic in the other lanes then they are entitled to be there
If there isn't they should move over but you could also go around them without causing any problems

You seem to think the right lane belongs to speeders it doesn't

I've found the right lane hog. Just put your left indicator on, then move over when there's a break in traffic. It's not difficult to be courteous.

 

[Proper Gander]

Because doing 10% over the limit makes me a daredevil, right? I presume you live it up by jaywalking. That's a story to tell the grandkids one day.

Stay in your lane, kid. Preferably not the right one.

I can safely promise you I have never, and would never, slow drive in the right lane.

Interesting to see that you know more then the expert authors of the speed threshold policy makers, and that you are apparently ignorant of the volumes of research behind the impact of collisions with every increase of even 5 kilometres in speed, along with the increased time in bringing a car to a halt in an emergency with even 5 kilometres of speed.

You’re right though. Your entitlement is much more important than the safety of other road users or passengers in your vehicle

 

[Opine]

This old chestnut “speed cameras are merely government revenue raising”.

Which ignores entirely the innumerable studies over decades demonstrating the increased risk of injury and fatality associated with excessive speed collisions, and ignores the legislation which places strict limits on where such revenue must be directed so that it doesn’t create a money bucket for the government to raid at random. Labor legislation by the way, you’re not going to catch a liberal government saying no to a cash reserve to divert to interest groups headed by their private school chums.

It also ignores the established studies worldwide into speed checks and disincentives through penalties for speeding infringements showing significant returns in minimising traffic fatalities caused by high speed collisions. And it entirely ignores that revenue from speed camera penalties is a drop in the bucket of the circa 5 billion dollars that traffic injuries and deaths cost the public in Victoria alone.

But I know, right? Speed limits and cameras are like masks in crowds and vaccinations. They are so unfair to our sovereign citizens who want to exercise their rights to do whatever they want at all times without regard for anyone else’s safety. I can barely sleep for crying over the loss of freedom

What on earth are you on about?
How do you get to implied legalisative dissent and sovereign anti mask and vax from my post?

 

[Proper Gander]

What on earth are you on about?
How do you get to implied legalisative dissent and sovereign anti mask and vax from my post?

Guess. Probably a wrong one so I’m happy to apologise. I have come across people who rail against speeding fines as being for the purposes of revenue raising who also rail against any number of things administered by governments. But I’m happy to admit that you didn’t say anything to indicate this applies to you

 

[Opine]

It’s a stretch of road that demands diligence to counter natural intuitiveness; that stretch of foad is beautifully and perfectly flat, it’s scenic, it’s wide, it’s seems made for travelling at normal speed, it’s not surprising many drivers get fined along that stretch. So what, that’s life in Vic, we move on.

 

[Evolved1]

I can safely promise you I have never, and would never, slow drive in the right lane.

Interesting to see that you know more then the expert authors of the speed threshold policy makers, and that you are apparently ignorant of the volumes of research behind the impact of collisions with every increase of even 5 kilometres in speed, along with the increased time in bringing a car to a halt in an emergency with even 5 kilometres of speed.

You’re right though. Your entitlement is much more important than the safety of other road users or passengers in your vehicle

I dare say my 4 pot brembos would bring my car to a halt quicker than most in an emergency. By all means, keep going with your generalistations for my amusement.

 

[Evolved1]

It’s a stretch of road that demands diligence to counter natural intuitiveness; that stretch of foad is beautifully and perfectly flat, it’s scenic, it’s wide, it’s seems made for travelling at normal speed, it’s not surprising many drivers get fined along that stretch. So what, that’s life in Vic, we move on.

Yeah, but people might die!

Welcome to the post-covid world, mate.

 

[Opine]

It just occurred to me that PG may be inferring my comment as referring to.roads generally. I was responding to a post which IINM had discussed Albert Park. My post related to that stretch along Albert Park Lake. Utmost care to stay under limit isrequired along that stretch

 

[Proper Gander]

I dare say my 4 pot brembos would bring my car to a halt quicker than most in an emergency. By all means, keep going with your generalistations for my amusement.

It’s no generalisation, it’s established. By all means continue to place your convenience above the safety of others

 

[eddiesmith]

If they are doing the speed limit and there is traffic in the other lanes then they are entitled to be there
If there isn't they should move over but you could also go around them without causing any problems

You seem to think the right lane belongs to speeders it doesn't

The problem is it’s for overtaking, not sitting at the same speed as the car in the left. I suspect most of them are using cruise control so move instead of sitting behind someone doing 0.1km/h slower than them.

 

[Evolved1]

It’s no generalisation, it’s established. By all means continue to place your convenience above the safety of others

Established by whom? Feel free to provide reputable evidence for your claims.

I'm tiring of authoritarians who demand others perform acts xyz for their protection. Why not protect yourself? Does your car have performance brakes? If not, upgrade. Why not walk/shop after midnight if you're scared of people walking around bareback?

 

[Gralin]

Established by whom? Feel free to provide reputable evidence for your claims.

I'm tiring of authoritarians who demand others perform acts xyz for their protection. Why not protect yourself? Does your car have performance brakes? If not, upgrade. Why not walk/shop after midnight if you're scared of people walking around bareback?

The Old why should I have to modify my behaviour for others when they can modify theirs instead

Do you think that just maybe you're a hypocrite there?

Your answer to road safety is everyone should modify their car or stay off the roads

Oh and just so you know with your fancy brakes the 5kms speed difference still does the exact same thing relative to your vehicle

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Established by whom? Feel free to provide reputable evidence for your claims.

I'm tiring of authoritarians who demand others perform acts xyz for their protection. Why not protect yourself? Does your car have performance brakes? If not, upgrade. Why not walk/shop after midnight if you're scared of people walking around bareback?

Do you think if you wear a helmet, you should be able to drive faster?

 

[randyzany]

I was under the impression that it was still illegal to go over the speed limit even if you're overtaking another vehicle so I'd never quite understood the logic of demanding other drivers to stay out of the right lane in a freeway unless they're breaking the law.

Because that's what people that complaining about this are basically saying, if the limit says 80kmh then those daring to use the right lane have to be at least going at 85kmh, preferably faster?

Whilst on the topic I just recently started using the Monash Freeway on a more regular basis and was wondering whether police (private contractors or whoever is responsible) ever set up other mobile speed cameras locations besides the ones they announce on this website every month?

Road safety camera locations

Road safety cameras are used throughout the Victorian road network. We share their locations with the public.

www.camerassavelives.vic.gov.au

I've pretty much memorized all the streets and roads that have mobile speed cameras where I regularly drive on a daily basis and so I can relax everywhere else that these revenue raising leeches (sorry, coppers looking out for the community via road safety cameras just 'cos you've gone 5 or 6k over a very low speed limit) don't bother targeting.

But I sometimes notice coppers in emergency lanes or parked at freeway overpasses in locations that are not on that list and make me fret about whether they're unannounced mobile speed cameras locations.

 

[Evolved1]

The Old why should I have to modify my behaviour for others when they can modify theirs instead

Do you think that just maybe you're a hypocrite there?

Your answer to road safety is everyone should modify their car or stay off the roads

Oh and just so you know with your fancy brakes the 5kms speed difference still does the exact same thing relative to your vehicle

I don't care what others do, nor do I care about laws unless I can't find a workaround. My view is that I can find a means of being better and safer despite government regulations and laws.

My "fancy brakes" are evidence of that. I'm not the least bit surprised to see you critique good brakes as "fancy" which is a typical poor mans post.

HFSP.

 

[Gralin]

I don't care what others do, nor do I care about laws unless I can't find a workaround. My view is that I can find a means of being better and safer despite government regulations and laws.

My "fancy brakes" are evidence of that. I'm not the least bit surprised to see you critique good brakes as "fancy" which is a typical poor mans post.

HFSP.

So you don't care what others do, you just post constantly about it, without caring...


You don't care about laws unless you can't work out how to avoid complying

You think putting sports brakes on your car makes you safer and like to make fun of poor people

I hope they hire a few more food slurpers for your office

 

[Proper Gander]

I don't care what others do, nor do I care about laws unless I can't find a workaround. My view is that I can find a means of being better and safer despite government regulations and laws.

My "fancy brakes" are evidence of that. I'm not the least bit surprised to see you critique good brakes as "fancy" which is a typical poor mans post.

HFSP.

I see. So you base your determination to habitually breach the conditions of your licence on the basis that you have decided that it is okay for you personally to do so, while simultaneously complaining about other drivers you have observed as a one-off driving at the speed limit in the right lane. And your misplaced confidence in yourself has led you to a view that you can breach the laws that you choose for no apparent reason other then you have decided you are okay to do so, but others can’t.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I don't care what others do, nor do I care about laws unless I can't find a workaround. My view is that I can find a means of being better and safer despite government regulations and laws.

My "fancy brakes" are evidence of that. I'm not the least bit surprised to see you critique good brakes as "fancy" which is a typical poor mans post.

HFSP.

And with that 5 minutes you save on a 100km road trip, you obviously use that time to complain about others on BF.

As opposed to 5 minutes of extra car maintenance.

 

[randyzany]

So you don't care what others do, you just post constantly about it, without caring...


You don't care about laws unless you can't work out how to avoid complying

You think putting sports brakes on your car makes you safer and like to make fun of poor people

I hope they hire a few more food slurpers for your office

To be fair speed (going over a few ks not excessive speeding like 20ks or more) rarely plays a part in serious crashes, it's got more to do with reckless driving, lack of skill/experience, inattention, driving under the influence, and other factors that have little to do with just driving at 4 or 5k over the designated speed limit.

But speed is easy to quantify (as opposed to other driver behaviour which would require more resources and harder to police and therefore less lucrative in squeezing money out of drivers) and the police with the backing of governments love to use it as a boogeyman responsible for road fatalities and as a sanctimonious justification for fleecing drivers for barely going over a couple of ks, which can inadvertently happen by concentrating on the road and traffic conditions ahead, something that is far more important than constantly looking at the speedometer to make sure you're under the speed limit.

 

[eddiesmith]

I was under the impression that it was still illegal to go over the speed limit even if you're overtaking another vehicle so I'd never quite understood the logic of demanding other drivers to stay out of the right lane in a freeway unless they're breaking the law.

Because that's what people that complaining about this are basically saying, if the limit says 80kmh then those daring to use the right lane have to be at least going at 85kmh, preferably faster?

Whilst on the topic I just recently started using the Monash Freeway on a more regular basis and was wondering whether police (private contractors or whoever is responsible) ever set up other mobile speed cameras locations besides the ones they announce on this website every month?

Road safety camera locations

Road safety cameras are used throughout the Victorian road network. We share their locations with the public.

www.camerassavelives.vic.gov.au

I've pretty much memorized all the streets and roads that have mobile speed cameras where I regularly drive on a daily basis and so I can relax everywhere else that these revenue raising leeches (sorry, coppers looking out for the community via road safety cameras just 'cos you've gone 5 or 6k over a very low speed limit) don't bother targeting.

But I sometimes notice coppers in emergency lanes or parked at freeway overpasses in locations that are not on that list and make me fret about whether they're unannounced mobile speed cameras locations.

That’s because you’re confusing mobile speed cameras operated by private companies for the government and police radars which can be set up anywhere at anytime and are not announced.

It’s the police radars which are most dangerous to sensible drivers, but they won’t bother you if you’re not more than 10ks over.

 

[Gralin]

I see. So you base your determination to habitually breach the conditions of your licence on the basis that you have decided that it is okay for you personally to do so, while simultaneously complaining about other drivers you have observed as a one-off driving at the speed limit in the right lane. And your misplaced confidence in yourself has led you to a view that you can breach the laws that you choose for no apparent reason other then you have decided you are okay to do so, but others can’t.

Same vibe as the freedumb protesters

To be fair speed (going over a few ks not excessive like 20ks or more) rarely plays a part in serious crashes, it's got more to do with reckless driving, lack of skill/experience, inattention, driving under the influence, and other factors that have little to do with just driving at 4 or 5k over the designated speed limit.

But speed is easy to quantify (as opposed to other driver behaviour which would require more resources and harder to police and therefore less lucrative in squeezing money out of drivers) and the police with the backing of governments love to use it as a boogeyman responsible for road fatalities and as a sanctimonious justification for fleecing drivers for barely going over a couple of ks, which can inadvertently happen by concentrating on the road and traffic conditions ahead, something that is far more important than constantly looking at the speedometer to make sure you're under the speed limit.

Thats a separate conversation to laws don't apply to me but do to others

 

[randyzany]

Same vibe as the freedumb protesters


Thats a separate conversation to laws don't apply to me but do to others

Sometimes men-made laws are dumb (like going over a few ks in an already low speed limit such as 50kh) and it's obvious they're there for purposes (i.e revenue raising) other than the one they claim they're about (i.e saving lives).