Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Evolved1]

Where is the straw man other than when you were questioned about your claim that you break the speed limit ‘habitually’ you jumped to some gripe of your own about the right lane?

And where is your excuse for breaching the conditions of your licence for speeding? Is it so important to you to arrive at a destination earlier that it overtakes the general safety of those around you?

Ned claimed I was using the rules as an excuse to speed, which is a strawman because I haven't made that claim.

I don't need an excuse. Catch me if you can.

 

[Evolved1]

i honestly dont get your obsession with the right lane. i spent 2 decades driving in country victoria for work, and it was rarely an issue (and if it was, it was rigs)

I frequently drive on the Monash off peak, and it's a big issue.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Ned claimed I was using the rules as an excuse to speed, which is a strawman because I haven't made that claim.

I don't need an excuse. Catch me if you can.

You drive a Yaris with big brakes yeah?

 

[eddiesmith]

On one hand, I kind of feel the same way; you should, if your eyes are good enough to drive, be able to spot the mobile cameras.

On the other, I bet all the people who get caught also thought they were good enough not to be.

They were probably too busy texting to notice! But then they’d take the speeding fine over the phone one which I think is an exorbitant amount these days in Victoria.

 

[Evolved1]

Is that so? My impression is that you are a moron if you think making a battle of speed limits devised with the purpose of safety are a thing which you should occupy your time resisting. Unless of course your personality lends towards the view that what suits you is right without any consideration of anyone else?

Yes, it's so.

I'll file your opinion alongside the multitudes of anonymous internet posters who view me in a negative light. You're not even the first filed under 'P'.

 

[eddiesmith]

Depends where. Friend got done doing 45 in a 40 school zone. Serves him right.

Camera or pulled over by police? Cos a camera will fine you for doing 41 in a 40 zone!

 

[Proper Gander]

Ned claimed I was using the rules as an excuse to speed, which is a strawman because I haven't made that claim.

I don't need an excuse. Catch me if you can.

Nobody needs to catch you. I don’t know why you can’t see it. When questioned about why you feel it necessary to speed on a habitual basis, you replied with the clear straw man of a rant about people driving too slowly in the right lane. Ned only questioned you about why you have an obsession with it. The answer is that you hooked on it to justify your speeding on a habitual basis. And I haven’t heard you yet make any argument that justifies why it is okay for you to put others in danger because you think it is okay, or why it is more important to you to do so then to consider the safety of others?

 

[Evolved1]

You drive a Yaris with big brakes yeah?

Yes. With the Richmond membership sticker on the back.

 

[eddiesmith]

i honestly dont get your obsession with the right lane. i spent 2 decades driving in country victoria for work, and it was rarely an issue (and if it was, it was rigs)

But it’s not as much of an issue in the country, just those slow idiots who are on cruise control, but they generally move over once past.

It’s the metro freeways that are a nightmare. There are some who think they belong, you’ll see them enter the freeway and go straight across 3 lanes to the right. I’ll then pass them in the middle lane cos it’s empty!

 

[Evolved1]

Nobody needs to catch you. I don’t know why you can’t see it. When questioned about why you feel it necessary to speed on a habitual basis, you replied with the clear straw man of a rant about people driving too slowly in the right lane. Ned only questioned you about why you have an obsession with it. The answer is that you hooked on it to justify your speeding on a habitual basis. And I haven’t heard you yet make any argument that justifies why it is okay for you to put others in danger because you think it is okay, or why it is more important to you to do so then to consider the safety of others?

I speed because I want to and it's easy to get away with it. The obsession is yours.

 

[Proper Gander]

Yes, it's so.

I'll file your opinion alongside the multitudes of anonymous internet posters who view me in a negative light. You're not even the first filed under 'P'.

So no argument then? I rather suspected I wouldn’t get one

 

[Proper Gander]

I speed because I want to and it's easy to get away with it. The obsession is yours.

Cool then. It’s easy to get away with lots of stuff though - hit and run comes to mind.

And if you truly thing it is okay to breach laws so long as you aren’t penalised, what is with your thing about the right lane? Do they not have a right to continue driving as they please so long as nobody fines them?

 

[Pie eyed]

Nah, they cause angst but the cause of accidents are more often than not the people with poor emotional control that insist on tailgating, weaving lanes and resorting to road rage when they come across right lane hogs.

Untrue.
Arseholes who think they own the road are the problem.
They should be sent to meet Scoot Morrison's fictional God.
campaigners in Volvos, Subarusand Audis' wearing hats, who think they are in paddocks on highways.
Kill them all.....
Burn their corpses in public squares and warn their children.

 

[Evolved1]

So no argument then? I rather suspected I wouldn’t get one

I'll argue anything if you make a case for your claims. You seem to prefer making moral rants, which is fine by me.

 

[Evolved1]

Cool then. It’s easy to get away with lots of stuff though - hit and run comes to mind.

And if you truly thing it is okay to breach laws so long as you aren’t penalised, what is with your thing about the right lane? Do they not have a right to continue driving as they please so long as nobody fines them?

JFC, you're a miserable campaigner. Do you whinge like this to your friends and family?

 

[swingdog]

Presumably you’re also good with someone being a few over the limit when driving as well.

Same logic.

 

[Evolved1]

Presumably you’re also good with someone being a few over the limit when driving as well.

Same logic.

I did shift work for a couple years, and sometimes kept windows open and music at high volume to ensure I made it home. Doing 5-10kph over the limit is nothing in comparison.

 

[Proper Gander]

JFC, you're a miserable campaigner. Do you whinge like this to your friends and family?

As predicted, you’ve given up the argument and want to get personal.

My friends and family aren’t as far as I’m aware the type of self-entitled people like you who think that they can do what they like without any regard for the safety of others. And they would never use as a basic explanation for what they do as “I feel like it, and I get away with it”. So no, I don’t have any problems there.

I do find it disturbing to listen to people that imagine they are somehow endowed with special entitlements though

 

[Proper Gander]

I did shift work for a couple years, and sometimes kept windows open and music at high volume to ensure I made it home. Doing 5-10kph over the limit is nothing in comparison.

Wowee!!!!

 

[Evolved1]

As predicted, you’ve given up the argument and want to get personal.

My friends and family aren’t as far as I’m aware the type of self-entitled people like you who think that they can do what they like without any regard for the safety of others. And they would never use as a basic explanation for what they do as “I feel like it, and I get away with it”. So no, I don’t have any problems there.

I do find it disturbing to listen to people that imagine they are somehow endowed with special entitlements though

Bless your heart.

 

[Evolved1]

Wowee!!!!

BT?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Untrue.
Arseholes who think they own the road are the problem.
They should be sent to meet Scoot Morrison's fictional God.
campaigners in Volvos, Subarusand Audis' wearing hats, who think they are in paddocks on highways.
Kill them all.....
Burn their corpses in public squares and warn their children.

Nah it's completely true and I'm getting the vibe that you're one of the emotionally stunted people I'm talking about. Like, how the **** are you this angry about people going slow in the right lane lmao, maybe you need to start getting out of bed earlier so those seconds in the morning commute don't hold life-altering criticality for you.

Imagine driving to work thinking "wow thIS GUYS IS GOING SO ****ING SLOW IN THE RIGHT LANE ARRRRRRGGHH IM GONNA RUN HIM OFF THE ROAD AND KILL HIS KIDS" that cannot be healthy for you my dude.

 

[Gethelred]

They were probably too busy texting to notice! But then they’d take the speeding fine over the phone one which I think is an exorbitant amount these days in Victoria.

Tell me about it.

Few years ago, I was coaching a game of cricket at Albert Park, and you could only pay for 4 hours at a time. Was out in the middle all game umpiring, walked off, and there sitting on my car was a lovely, fresh parking fine for $125 dollars.

Now, I get that if they don't charge for parking in Albert park, shitloads of people will take advantage, but that not only seems exorbitant to me but designed deliberately to catch as many people as they can. Ticket zones specifically near cricket grounds, set so that you cannot pay before the game's over.

I don't have much of a problem with speed limits, because the government has to take into account each and every car that is on the roads at any given time. Your car might be able to handle doing 130 on a country road, but can a truck built in the seventies? My first car was an '86 mazda 323 sport, with no ABS or traction control; I've no doubt I used to piss people off when I slowed down good and early entering roundabouts, because I learned my lesson one winter's day when my car lost traction doing barely 35 into a roundabout on a wet road.

The counter being, "my car can do it, why do I have to suffer for everyone else?" But then we come back to the other side of it; an element of driving around other people is you assume they'll make the same decisions as you will, so they're predictable. If you behave differently, you will cause accidents and accidents will happen to you, simply because you are unpredictable AND because you cannot or won't be able to predict other behaviours.

When everyone's driving a weapon, you kind of need to play by the rules at least some of the time.

 

[Proper Gander]

BT?

I see you are totally out of material. Fine. Let’s leave it here and I mentally shake your hand for what began as an interesting debate

 

[Evolved1]

Nah it's completely true and I'm getting the vibe that you're one of the emotionally stunted people I'm talking about. Like, how the fu** are you this angry about people going slow in the right lane lmao, maybe you need to start getting out of bed earlier so those seconds in the morning commute don't hold life-altering criticality for you.

Imagine driving to work thinking "wow thIS GUYS IS GOING SO ******* SLOW IN THE RIGHT LANE ARRRRRRGGHH IM GONNA RUN HIM OFF THE ROAD AND KILL HIS KIDS" that cannot be healthy for you my dude.

Surely you can see he was being metaphorical, like the bible.