Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Not Important]

Most of the health service I am aware of did back away from routine mask use (and from routine n95) the argument being that we are around randoms in the shops all the time who aren’t masked so what good does it do to mask while at work. My one had not ( and this has been source of angst for nurses too..)

you are much better placed than me to know. but a public hospital and a private hospital i have been to both insisted on masks. and the receptionists at the g.p i attend hand out masks to those who don't abide by the sign at the entrance. failure to comply and you're out the door.

the comparison between shops and patient welfare in an infectious environment is worrisome. but we wear masks when we are shopping. the fact it's flu season and masks have been shown to reduce the risk of infection there too is an added reason to wear one.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Oh I agree completely but I also know that I tend not to mask up in public (lazy more than anything) and I’m one of the health workers who doesn’t find the n95 uncomfortable.
I had been told that Austin ED had gone to surgical masks not n95, and in our hospital the non covid wards went to surgical masks (ED and ICU are defined as covid wards)
We are still routinely testing admissions for covid. Which is also costing a lot of money

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Maybe they are sick and tired of seeing all the work being farmed out to consultants, or the ballooning number of senior executives that do SFA whilst getting paid $200k+ per year. I know it used to frustrate the s**t out of me having KPMG, Deloitte or PwC send in 2nd or maybe 3rd-year graduates to pick up all the work my team had been doing, package it into a Powerpoint pack for the senior execs, and then charge us anywhere up to $500k for the privilege. And then you get told "sorry, no money for pay rises... we need to find efficiencies."

Yeah, * that.

If you are ideologically a unionist, you should be asking why the workers are getting screwed because of bad management decisions.

Yeah mate, I get it.

And I am conflicted by it.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Oh I agree completely but I also know that I tend not to mask up in public (lazy more than anything) and I’m one of the health workers who doesn’t find the n95 uncomfortable.
I had been told that Austin ED had gone to surgical masks not n95, and in our hospital the non covid wards went to surgical masks (ED and ICU are defined as covid wards)
We are still routinely testing admissions for covid. Which is also costing a lot of money

Correct, not just ED, everywhere

 

[Crankyhawk]

Correct, not just ED, everywhere

Sorry was poorly worded by myself yes was meaning even their ED has gone to surgical masks

 

[FredLeDeux]

Sorry was poorly worded by myself yes was meaning even their ED has gone to surgical masks

A lot more comfortable sitting around waiting in one of their clinics for an hour or two

 

[adogsfan5]

Didn't work out too well for the Libs in NSW.

Would suggest a bad move then?

 

[Kwality]

He wasn’t the leader when we had the election choice; yes he is more articulate but he’s been given problems with moira who played the “trauma” card and then walked back on her apology.

I tell my borderlines “yes bad trauma has happened to you but you still are responsible for your choices and decisions “

Pesutto has no political nous, see his timing leading into the by election.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Pesutto has no political nous, see his timing leading into the by election.

Could be argued that he limited damage - I think it would have played worse had he not tried to do anything about Deeming.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Sack all non frontline staff or have direct support role for frontline (eg payroll, IT). There’s your savings

Again, why are staff getting the arse... even if they aren't frontline? The first cuts should be to consultants and contractors.

As many as 90% of IT staff in Dept of Health are contractors. The entry price for an IT contractor is around $1000 a day. The high-end labour-hire firms are making a killing, and that's before we even get to the consultants. I'm not kidding when I say that KPMG or PwC basically send in graduates to do all the dirty work... and then charge them out for $1,200 to $1,500 a day. A senior consultant is comfortably charging $2,500 a day... I don't want to even imagine what partners are charging... they're the guys usually hooked directly into the minsters.

It's obscene.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Again, why are staff getting the arse... even if they aren't frontline? The first cuts should be to consultants and contractors.

As many as 90% of IT staff in Dept of Health are contractors. The entry price for an IT contractor is around $1000 a day. The high-end labour-hire firms are making a killing, and that's before we even get to the consultants. I'm not kidding when I say that KPMG or PwC basically send in graduates to do all the dirty work... and then charge them out for $1,200 to $1,500 a day. A senior consultant is comfortably charging $2,500 a day... I don't want to even imagine what partners are charging... they're the guys usually hooked directly into the minsters.

It's obscene.

these non productive "manager" types get in the way of delivering what frontline staff need to do. I have time for managers that also work frontline shifts, they keep themselves relevant. And it is these manager types that decide to go hire some dumb**** consultant like you describe

Sack all the useless campaigners. Defund the big 4

(and I did say I was keeping the local IT departments)

 

[The Punter]

When the unions are handing out for my mob, then I'll believe they are at war with the Labor Government, and not before.

 

[Crankyhawk]

When the unions are handing out for my mob, then I'll believe they are at war with the Labor Government, and not before.

the liberals would need to offer them something better than the ALP does
eg some sector specific incentive
I wouldn't see it as practical to get "all" the unions but you could swing one or two

 

[GreyWind]

the liberals would need to offer them something better than the ALP does
eg some sector specific incentive
I wouldn't see it as practical to get "all" the unions but you could swing one or two

At the last two State Elections the LNP have been poor to woeful in trying to get us onside that it's nearly insulting.

2018 was woeful were they just sent out a single page document with some wishy washy statements compared to the 3 page document sent by the ALP with a decisive plan.

2022 was actually better but still poor from a planning perspective. But at least Crozier showed up in person and answered questions.

Overall the LNP is pushing shit up hill in a massive way in trying to get unions on side when so many LNP politicians are anti-union and many publicly so.

Also historically the LNP isn't well regarded at all and the way they are heading I doubt they would ever receive support from us.

 

[Crankyhawk]

At the last two State Elections the LNP have been poor to woeful in trying to get us onside that it's nearly insulting.

2018 was woeful were they just sent out a single page document with some wishy washy statements compared to the 3 page document sent by the ALP with a decisive plan.

2022 was actually better but still poor from a planning perspective. But at least Crozier showed up in person and answered questions.

Overall the LNP is pushing s**t up hill in a massive way in trying to get unions on side when so many LNP politicians are anti-union and many publicly so.

Also historically the LNP isn't well regarded at all and the way they are heading I doubt they would ever receive support from us.

Yeah I was thinking perhaps construction sector or transport

 

[Saint]

At the last two State Elections the LNP have been poor to woeful in trying to get us onside that it's nearly insulting.

2018 was woeful were they just sent out a single page document with some wishy washy statements compared to the 3 page document sent by the ALP with a decisive plan.

2022 was actually better but still poor from a planning perspective. But at least Crozier showed up in person and answered questions.

Overall the LNP is pushing s**t up hill in a massive way in trying to get unions on side when so many LNP politicians are anti-union and many publicly so.

Also historically the LNP isn't well regarded at all and the way they are heading I doubt they would ever receive support from us.

I wasn't aware they even bothered trying.

Problem is that the Newscorp papers only know how to attack the Unions, so even if the LNP were doing things favourable for the Unions, the papers would cut them down until they stopped.

I think because union membership dropped so much, the LNP/News thought it would be open-slather on attacking Unions, but that's been misguided, as even though they're not members, most people are still sympathetic and have friends or family in Unions.

 

[The Punter]

There is little to gain from attacking unions any more. But the ALP is the political wing of the union movement, a party of interests. Up to a point it wouldn't matter what we said.

 

[peetoo]

Again, why are staff getting the arse... even if they aren't frontline? The first cuts should be to consultants and contractors.

As many as 90% of IT staff in Dept of Health are contractors. The entry price for an IT contractor is around $1000 a day. The high-end labour-hire firms are making a killing, and that's before we even get to the consultants. I'm not kidding when I say that KPMG or PwC basically send in graduates to do all the dirty work... and then charge them out for $1,200 to $1,500 a day. A senior consultant is comfortably charging $2,500 a day... I don't want to even imagine what partners are charging... they're the guys usually hooked directly into the minsters.

It's obscene.

Don’t even mentionCENITX

 

[eddiesmith]

There is little to gain from attacking unions any more. But the ALP is the political wing of the union movement, a party of interests. Up to a point it wouldn't matter what we said.

Which is why the ALP can cut wages and put in ridiculous caps and nothing will come of it because the unions can’t support anyone else.

UFU endorsed a couple of Greens candidates with no success, but those votes just went to the ALP anyway.

The talk of the opposition is so bad we can’t risk them is why Dan can do whatever he pleases.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Which is why the ALP can cut wages and put in ridiculous caps and nothing will come of it because the unions can’t support anyone else.

UFU endorsed a couple of Greens candidates with no success, but those votes just went to the ALP anyway.

The talk of the opposition is so bad we can’t risk them is why Dan can do whatever he pleases.

It’s not just talk the opposition as characterised by the liberals are disorganised and don’t know what they want or how to articulate a plan for it.
The nationals are more coherent

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

So all of these pricks that Andrews has created jobs for are now crapping in their own nest. Everybody is taking a hit at the moment, why should the public sector be immune?

I'm ideologically a unionist but they're out of control down here.

Peter Marshall and Andrews are not friends.

In fact I'm not sure if ol Pete is capable of being "friendly". A deeply unpleasant person who would stir up shit given any opportunity. He's the go to union guy if you want someone to have a crack at Andrews, or really anyone.

I'm not sure a public sector pay rise capped at 3% is the best move though.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Which is why the ALP can cut wages and put in ridiculous caps and nothing will come of it because the unions can’t support anyone else.

UFU endorsed a couple of Greens candidates with no success, but those votes just went to the ALP anyway.

The talk of the opposition is so bad we can’t risk them is why Dan can do whatever he pleases.

Please.

The Libs would be pissing their pants at a chance to gut the public service and union bust.

Lets not pretend they offer any kind of alternative in this situation.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Peter Marshall and Andrews are not friends.

In fact I'm not sure if ol Pete is capable of being "friendly". A deeply unpleasant person who would stir up s**t given any opportunity. He's the go to union guy if you want someone to have a crack at Andrews, or really anyone.

I'm not sure a public sector pay rise capped at 3% is the best move though.

There won’t be many in the private sector getting more than that mate. Wage growth always lags inflation by a year or two.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

There's always plenty of voices to explain why pay rises, particularly public sector pay rises, have an inflationary effect and can only be applied in extreme caution. Unsurprisingly, there aren't many voices piping up to explain the inflationary effects of the record corporate profits in Australia since 2021.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

There won’t be many in the private sector getting more than that mate. Wage growth always lags inflation by a year or two.

I think 4% + is what a lot of collective bargaining agreements are aiming for outside the public sector.

But this is for lower paid workers who make just above the award.