Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[peetoo]

People are getting 10% but having to cover two or more roles

 

[Rob R]

Again, why are staff getting the arse... even if they aren't frontline? The first cuts should be to consultants and contractors.

As many as 90% of IT staff in Dept of Health are contractors. The entry price for an IT contractor is around $1000 a day. The high-end labour-hire firms are making a killing, and that's before we even get to the consultants. I'm not kidding when I say that KPMG or PwC basically send in graduates to do all the dirty work... and then charge them out for $1,200 to $1,500 a day. A senior consultant is comfortably charging $2,500 a day... I don't want to even imagine what partners are charging... they're the guys usually hooked directly into the minsters.

It's obscene.

I can't talk to the state system but at the federal level, you are essentially forced into getting contractors even if you hate them. You can get a contractor at an obscene rate on board within a week using approvals in your team but public servants can take six months or more (especially for new positions) and you need to go up multiple layers of management.

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[Nuggs Bunny]

I can't talk to the state system but at the federal level, you are essentially forced into getting contractors even if you hate them. You can get a contractor at an obscene rate on board within a week using approvals in your team but public servants can take six months or more (especially for new positions) and you need to go up multiple layers of management.

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It's the same everywhere, even in a lot of private sector industries, for the reasons you mentioned and partially the that contractors don't get any of the redundancy/maternity leave/personal leave entitlements that full time staff get. It's an absolutely braindead way to "save" money in the long run by spending a lot more over six month periods.

 

[evolved2]

Thoughts?

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/bold-welfare-plan-for-victorian-exmps-could-cost-taxpayers-billions/news-story/44aab3635a4e46d6db9eaf8f4d771eb6

 

[Crankyhawk]

Thoughts?

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/bold-welfare-plan-for-victorian-exmps-could-cost-taxpayers-billions/news-story/44aab3635a4e46d6db9eaf8f4d771eb6

well its not Andrews who is proposing this at least
I am also agreeing with Ratnam about capping wage increases (though not the main thrust of the article)
In terms of the main thrust, perhaps some payment is appropriate - but not 18 months - i'd say more along the lines of 3 - 6 months (add if whatever annual leave + long service leave if you have served 3 terms)

 

[Festerz]

Thoughts?

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/bold-welfare-plan-for-victorian-exmps-could-cost-taxpayers-billions/news-story/44aab3635a4e46d6db9eaf8f4d771eb6

My thoughts are this:

1. Stories in the Murdoch online press are often written with a view to generate clicks to maximise advertising revenue upon which the Murdoch tabloids (and their writers) are now solely reliant upon for survival. This means context and facts run a distant second to sensationalist provocation of an emotional response in authoring of news stories - much like advertising. No surprises that research relating to providing financial support to politicians would be a prime candidate for an article.​

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2. The Murdoch empire only reports academic studies and submissions if it suits their political narrative and can be edited in such a way to generate an emotive response to suit that narrative.​

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3. When it comes to academic studies and submissions the first first port of call should NEVER be a Murdoch news article if you want a full understanding of the contexts and facts.​

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4. In relation to THIS particular submission the link to the actual research can be found here:​

Dr Amy Nethery, Dr Peter Ferguson, and Dr Zim Nwokora, Deakin University.

A submission to the Members of Parliament 2023 Determination

www.vic.gov.au

And these opening paragraphs of the submission provides a reasonable summary of the context for that research:

Deakin University was commissioned by the Parliament of Victoria, in conjunction with the Victorian Parliamentary Former Member’s Association (VPFMA), to undertake research on the experiences of members of the Victorian parliament as they transition to life after parliament. Our findings and recommendations were published as Nethery et al. (2021) Transitioning to Life after Parliament (ISBN: 978-0-6452619-0-5).

Our research into the transition to life after parliament raised some additional findings on the appropriateness and effectiveness of the current separation payment arrangements for members of parliament when they leave parliament. This submission, prepared for the Victorian Independent Remuneration Tribunal (VIRT), sets out our findings and makes a recommendation for improving these arrangements. In light of our findings, we request that the VIRT give consideration to this submission.

The Victorian Independent Remuneration Tribunal was established under the Victorian Independent Remuneration Tribunal and Improving Parliamentary Standards Act 2019 and is the body tasked with reviewing Victorian Parliamentary salaries and entitlements. Under this legislation it is required to hold regular public inquiries and receive submissions before making its determinations. Deakin believes that this submission provides valuable evidence which should be made available to VIRT at its next inquiry.

The foundational concept of our research findings and recommendations is the notion that parliamentary careers are inherently transitory. Despite the fact that many MPs have worked their whole lives towards the goal of entering parliament, most parliamentary careers are short (in Victoria, two terms or eight years). It is important that MPs do not adopt a view that they have ‘arrived’ and are ‘here to stay’.

If we want to attract the very best people to represent us in our Parliaments, and to create the legislation that reflects the needs of more than just those who hold the economic and political power today, then surely we need to look at all aspects of how those representatives are remunerated and how their transition both into and out of political life is supported?

IMHO that is what this research is aimed at addressing. But don't expect any NewsCorp publication to talk about that.

 

[Blue Arrow]

Still a zero.
I have not forgotten the 801 unnecessary deaths caused by this pinhead bungling hotel quarantine.

 

[Senor M]

Still a zero.
I have not forgotten the 801 unnecessary deaths caused by this pinhead bungling hotel quarantine.

Have you forgotten about the lives of the other 6,682 Victorians who have died from COVID?

 

[adogsfan5]

Reckon Albo will assist Victoria with its large debt?

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Reckon Albo will assist Victoria with its large debt?

No reason to bother helping out a safe state.

 

[Xtreme]

Reckon Albo will assist Victoria with its large debt?

Dan will cut back health care (or just not spend the $$$ he's been promising to spend over the last 2 years) since the pandemic is over. That'll save some $$$.

 

[The Punter]

Considering the contract between Daniel Andrews and the Victorian people has been predicated on service delivery, the period after the budget could be very interesting politically indeed.

Not so interesting if the parliamentary Liberal Party decided to concentrate on fringe social issues instead.

 

[Fire]

Considering the contract between Daniel Andrews and the Victorian people has been predicated on service delivery, the period after the budget could be very interesting politically indeed.

I'm mainly just on board for the trains.

Toot toot!

 

[Festerz]

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

 

[adogsfan5]

Considering the contract between Daniel Andrews and the Victorian people has been predicated on service delivery, the period after the budget could be very interesting politically indeed.

Not so interesting if the parliamentary Liberal Party decided to concentrate on fringe social issues instead.

Be interesting to see what Albanese and Chalmers decide to do.

 

[Fire]

Please stop posting plausible satire. It messes with my brain goo.

 

[Rob R]

Be interesting to see what Albanese and Chalmers decide to do.

Vic and Fed governments will have a mock argument to show they are doing their job, reach a predetermined agreement and blame the problem on the previous government - which the Feds can justifiably do but Dan's problems are self inflicted - dodgy CCP contractors running poorly planned projects, bloating the wrong parts of the public service (managers and spin doctors), signing up for stupid white elephants like the Commonwealth Games etc.

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[The Cryptkeeper]

Vic and Fed governments will have a mock argument to show they are doing their job, reach a predetermined agreement and blame the problem on the previous government - which the Feds can justifiably do but Dan's problems are self inflicted - dodgy CCP contractors running poorly planned projects, bloating the wrong parts of the public service (managers and spin doctors), signing up for stupid white elephants like the Commonwealth Games etc.

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I don't see a bailout, if you can call it that, coming.

There's no political capital in it for Chalmers/Albanese.

 

[adogsfan5]

Vic and Fed governments will have a mock argument to show they are doing their job, reach a predetermined agreement and blame the problem on the previous government - which the Feds can justifiably do but Dan's problems are self inflicted - dodgy CCP contractors running poorly planned projects, bloating the wrong parts of the public service (managers and spin doctors), signing up for stupid white elephants like the Commonwealth Games etc.

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Dans already blamed the Libs..

Not sure the comm games are a white elephant though..

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Drowning in debt... what a suprise! Not!

 

[Romeoh1]

Please stop posting plausible satire. It messes with my brain goo.

Haha-yep- they are so bonkers these days it’s hard to tell the fact from the fiction.

 

[Xtreme]

I'd probably stop throwing money with state funerals as well. Cut costs!!

 

[FredLeDeux]

I'd probably stop throwing money with state funerals as well. Cut costs!!

There are some state funerals I'd gladly pay money for

 

[eddiesmith]

Vic and Fed governments will have a mock argument to show they are doing their job, reach a predetermined agreement and blame the problem on the previous government - which the Feds can justifiably do but Dan's problems are self inflicted - dodgy CCP contractors running poorly planned projects, bloating the wrong parts of the public service (managers and spin doctors), signing up for stupid white elephants like the Commonwealth Games etc.

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But Dan has still found $450m for his good mate Lindsey Fox to build a racetrack at Avalon.

Never any money problems when paying back personal debts with taxpayer funds.