Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Carn The Berries]

Why no wait for the details?

That is literally what people are asking for. Why would there be a need to delay release of the costings (both original and current) so that people can understand why the decision was taken? I have a theory as to why it hasn't been released yet... But I guess that makes me a cooker...

I think the ultimate decision is the right one, but I'm very dubious as to how we got to this point and why the government were publicly stating less than 2 months ago that the games were going ahead at the original cost estimate.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

That is literally what people are asking for. Why would there be a need to delay release of the costings (both original and current) so that people can understand why the decision was taken? I have a theory as to why it hasn't been released yet... But I guess that makes me a cooker...

I think the ultimate decision is the right one, but I'm very dubious as to how we got to this point and why the government were publicly stating less than 2 months ago that the games were going ahead at the original cost estimate.

I'd imagine the information will be provided when the contract exit has been formalised. We are going to get it, so the hysteria seems unnecessary.

 

[Carn The Berries]

I'd imagine the information will be provided when the contract exit has been formalised. We are going to get it, so the hysteria seems unnecessary.

I guess we can agree to disagree there. While some of the commentary has been over the top, the underlying issue here is that, somehow, in the space of 6 weeks the government has gone from publicly stating the event would cost $2.6b to $6-$7b. That explanation just doesn't stack up.

 

[MJG14]

I'm a fan of Dan, but he hasn't covered himself in glory here. The revelation that transport and security was supposedly not considered in the original costing just staggers me. I have no event organisation experience, but these would be among the first things I would consider.

Some of the comments from Dan fans (not really on here, instead on Reddit, Twitter etc.) seem to have the view that all this can be ignored because we have cancelled the event. Some of the media coverage has been hysterical, but some of the questions raised by the media have been reasonable. It's weird how some people are so rusted on that they feel the need to get angry and dismiss anything negative towards Dan, and this is from someone who thinks that he sometimes does cop unfair media scrutiny.

 

[My_Username]

Why no wait for the details?

Each supposed scandal you nuffs have hyped in the past has failed to materialise.

As always, I'll wait and see the actual released costings/contract terms. And when this disappears from the news cycle, will still be of the opinion the cancellation was the correct move.

Do you really think those will ever be released?

 

[Sttew]

Do you really think those will ever be released?

Of course not. They'll be classified, "COMMERCIAL IN CONFIDENCE", and any attempt to access them via FOI will undoubtedly be challenged in the courts by the government.

 

[Romeoh1]

I'm a fan of Dan, but he hasn't covered himself in glory here. The revelation that transport and security was supposedly not considered in the original costing just staggers me. I have no event organisation experience, but these would be among the first things I would consider.

Some of the comments from Dan fans (not really on here, instead on Reddit, Twitter etc.) seem to have the view that all this can be ignored because we have cancelled the event. Some of the media coverage has been hysterical, but some of the questions raised by the media have been reasonable. It's weird how some people are so rusted on that they feel the need to get angry and dismiss anything negative towards Dan, and this is from someone who thinks that he sometimes does cop unfair media scrutiny.

Nope - the Andrews govt has stuffed up here but for most people, he has a lot of credits in the bank, so should be ok to move on from here- a bit tarnished but still light years ahead of the alternative. I can’t see many people basing their vote on this in 3 years time - can you? And if they do hold it against him, we’ll, he’s had a good run hasn’t he?

 

[My_Username]

Of course not. They'll be classified, "COMMERCIAL IN CONFIDENCE", and any attempt to access them via FOI will undoubtedly be challenged in the courts by the government.

Odd how companies that have no problem revealing the details of their contracts with other parties all insist on "COMMERCIAL IN CONFIDENCE" when dealing with Australian governments, isn't it?

 

[Sttew]

Nope - the Andrews govt has stuffed up here but for most people, he has a lot of credits in the bank, so should be ok to move on from here- a bit tarnished but still light years ahead of the alternative. I can’t see many people basing their vote on this in 3 years time - can you? And if they do hold it against him, we’ll, he’s had a good run hasn’t he?

Do you remember the demise of the Cain - Kirner government?

 

[My_Username]

I'm a fan of Dan, but he hasn't covered himself in glory here. The revelation that transport and security was supposedly not considered in the original costing just staggers me. I have no event organisation experience, but these would be among the first things I would consider.

Apparently it's not normally factored in to bids 'usually'...and in Melbourne I can see that transport is largely an incidental cost.

But when you put an event on spread across 5(?) regional centers, surely it's something you might want to have a look at in determining what it'll all cost.

 

[MJG14]

Nope - the Andrews govt has stuffed up here but for most people, he has a lot of credits in the bank, so should be ok to move on from here- a bit tarnished but still light years ahead of the alternative. I can’t see many people basing their vote on this in 3 years time - can you? And if they do hold it against him, we’ll, he’s had a good run hasn’t he?

I totally agree. And it absolutely won't make me vote for the Liberals.

But there's been some weird defences of it from some people from what I've seen.

 

[My_Username]

Nope - the Andrews govt has stuffed up here but for most people, he has a lot of credits in the bank, so should be ok to move on from here- a bit tarnished but still light years ahead of the alternative. I can’t see many people basing their vote on this in 3 years time - can you? And if they do hold it against him, we’ll, he’s had a good run hasn’t he?

The only real credit he's got in the bank is that there is effectively no opposition.

He had a 6.2% swing against him last election, which would normally mean the guy is on the nose, but the Libs still managed to lose votes! People wanted to get rid on him, but didn't see the Libs as an option.

 

[kalex6251]

what is ian cook up to these days?

 

[Mofra]

Nope - the Andrews govt has stuffed up here but for most people, he has a lot of credits in the bank, so should be ok to move on from here- a bit tarnished but still light years ahead of the alternative. I can’t see many people basing their vote on this in 3 years time - can you? And if they do hold it against him, we’ll, he’s had a good run hasn’t he?

That's the rub - regardless of how unelectable the opposition are right now, the current government absolutely has to be held to account. As all governments should be.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Do you remember the demise of the Cain - Kirner government?

Different era now. These days you don't have people voting liberal.

 

[Romeoh1]

The only real credit he's got in the bank is that there is effectively no opposition.

He had a 6.2% swing against him last election, which would normally mean the guy is on the nose, but the Libs still managed to lose votes! People wanted to get rid on him, but didn't see the Libs as an option.

Just not the case- he has plenty of credits on the bank from the active, capable and progressive long time governing. There was so much working against his chances of re-election at the last election -yet he still romped it in.

 

[Jascave]

Just not the case- he has plenty of credits on the bank from the active, capable and progressive long time governing. There was so much working against his chances of re-election at the last election -yet he still romped it in.

Then there was the problem of the Liberals being told by their pollster on the Wednesday prior to polling day that they would win the election and were so far as advance in planning of an orderly transition of government only to see their well laid plans go up in smoke on election night.

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[adogsfan5]

Oh no.. ABC digging in also!

 

[Romeoh1]

That's the rub - regardless of how unelectable the opposition are right now, the current government absolutely has to be held to account. As all governments should be.

Sure- but you have to wonder, if in three years time, weighed against the numerous positives of this govt- will that be enough to turf him out? Hold them to account for this stuff up. Sure. Maybe, people will be weary of him by then, regardless of the poor opposition. He’s had a long run, people have to get sick of him at some point I’d have thought. But is this the issue that will do him in? I’d be surprised.
And if you live in the west and see the structures going up- it’s just absolutely massive stuff, 30 years too late, but finally happening. Despite the cynicism on this board, people find it hard to go past ‘stuff getting done’.
Anyway, can’t imagine he will be too disappointed when he eventually goes, whether that be sooner or later. We’ve been lucky to have him. The Dan haters are too silly for words.

 

[eddiesmith]

Do you really think those will ever be released?

No chance in hell, Dans MO for 9 years now has been to ignore questions, say he’s not here to talk about, he’s not going to discuss that here, but he’ll promise to release it down the track.

Yet it never, ever happens.

The reason everyone hates the media is if it wasn’t for the media, we’d all still have to believe that the 2020 Covid outbreak was solely due to people breaking Dans fair and reasonable rules and not a hotel quarantine failure!

 

[Sttew]

Sure- but you have to wonder, if in three years time, weighed against the numerous positives of this govt- will that be enough to turf him out? Hold them to account for this stuff up. Sure. Maybe, people will be weary of him by then, regardless of the poor opposition. He’s had a long run, people have to get sick of him at some point I’d have thought. But is this the issue that will do him in? I’d be surprised.
And if you live in the west and see the structures going up- it’s just absolutely massive stuff, 30 years too late, but finally happening. Despite the cynicism on this board, people find it hard to go past ‘stuff getting done’.
Anyway, can’t imagine he will be too disappointed when he eventually goes, whether that be sooner or later. We’ve been lucky to have him. The Dan haters are too silly for words.

Lucky to have Dan? I've heard it all now!!

70% of voters did not feel lucky enough with Dan to give him their first vote, and its only because the Opposition was so shit that Dan got back in. Call him Default Dan or Debacle Dan.

I live in South Melbourne and in the past month three pubs have closed - all victims of Covid. All victims of the enforced world record lockdowns. All businesses that came out of lock downs and tried to re-establish themselves, only to have new taxes slugged on them by a government that cannot manage its finances. One of the places that closed kept on all its staff on during lockdowns, allowed them run the venue as a take away service, and keep the income. Another one, a comedy venue pub, simply could not overcome the massive debt it wracked up in 2020/2021, and closed last week. These aren't isolated stories

More will falter because with payroll tax and massive WorkCover hikes.

Infrastructure is great and is needed, but at what cost?

 

[Not Important]

I'd imagine the information will be provided when the contract exit has been formalised. We are going to get it, so the hysteria seems unnecessary.

but,but, but, hysteria is the m.o of credlin, blot, panihi et al. without it they have very little.

 

[evolved2]

The Dan acolytes here and elsewhere on social media continue to baffle me. Can't say I've ever met one in the wild, and I consider myself fortunate because of that.

 

[Not Important]

Oh no.. ABC digging in also!

the cost of not proceeding with east link lays firmly at the feet of the napthine gov't. they defied convention by signing the contract on the eve of an election as an act of pure political bastardy. didn't have the guts to put it before the voters. a project that was panned by every reliable cost benefit analysis.

as for the a.b.c, there's a board stacked by the libs with reactionaries; with a packer/murdoch trained women's mag editor as chair; and with former murdoch peeps in key editorial positions attacking labor. how surprising.

 

[evolved2]

the cost of not proceeding with east link lays firmly at the feet of the napthine gov't. they defied convention by signing the contract on the eve of an election as an act of pure political bastardy. didn't have the guts to put it before the voters. a project that was panned by every reliable cost benefit analysis.

While the Libs hold 90% of the responsibility for that debacle by my judgement, Dan did say that ripping up the contract wouldn't cost anything.

as for the a.b.c, there's a board stacked by the libs with reactionaries; with a packer/murdoch trained women's mag editor as chair; and with former murdoch peeps in key editorial positions attacking labor. how surprising.

Is there any source of media you guys don't whinge about? Everyone is against you, yeah?