Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 7

[Pakenhamsaint]

And before the West Gate tunnel is opened

But after the tunneling starts on the SRL.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Reckon it's as simple as knowing that Werner will immediately join the anti-Pesutto group once she's in (this is super obvious) and it only helps continue the slow decay of the Libs as it adds another member to the minority side of their coming civil war.

 

[Kwality]

And before the West Gate tunnel is opened

Opened as in operational ?

'Metro Tunnel​

About the Metro Tunnel Project

Find out more about the Metro Tunnel Project, including a project overview, frequently asked questions, sustainability and planning approvals.

bigbuild.vic.gov.au

Train travel will be easier with more trains able to carry more people on the Sunbury, Cranbourne and Pakenham lines. A dedicated tunnel from Kensington to South Yarra will create a direct connection between the west and the south east.'

The Metro Tunnel is on track to be completed by 2025.'


Will it be completed on time ?

​

 

[Kwality]

But after the tunneling starts on the SRL.

fyi:

NSW Premier Chris Minns refuses to rule out cancelling or delaying Sydney Metro West project​

$9bn cost blowout could see major Sydney rail project scrapped, NSW premier says

The new rail line which will cut travel time between Sydney's CBD and Parramatta to about 20 minutes has significantly blown out in costs.

www.abc.net.au

New South Wales Premier Chris Minns has refused to rule out cancelling or delaying the $25 billion Metro West project, which would see travel time between Sydney's CBD and Parramatta slashed to about 20 minutes.

Key points:​

• The premier says it's unlikely the project will be delivered at the estimated cost of $25 billion
• He says he needs to consider whether the project is value for money
• A transport expert says the project has a major impact on the construction of new housing

 

[Wooden Robot]

Opened as in operational ?

'Metro Tunnel​

About the Metro Tunnel Project

Find out more about the Metro Tunnel Project, including a project overview, frequently asked questions, sustainability and planning approvals.

bigbuild.vic.gov.au

Train travel will be easier with more trains able to carry more people on the Sunbury, Cranbourne and Pakenham lines. A dedicated tunnel from Kensington to South Yarra will create a direct connection between the west and the south east.'

The Metro Tunnel is on track to be completed by 2025.'


Will it be completed on time ?

​

In a word ... NOPE!

 

[MJG14]

Opened as in operational ?

'Metro Tunnel​

About the Metro Tunnel Project

Find out more about the Metro Tunnel Project, including a project overview, frequently asked questions, sustainability and planning approvals.

bigbuild.vic.gov.au

Train travel will be easier with more trains able to carry more people on the Sunbury, Cranbourne and Pakenham lines. A dedicated tunnel from Kensington to South Yarra will create a direct connection between the west and the south east.'

The Metro Tunnel is on track to be completed by 2025.'


Will it be completed on time ?

​

That 2025 target is already one year ahead of schedule. And don't be surprised if it opens late 2024.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

fyi:

NSW Premier Chris Minns refuses to rule out cancelling or delaying Sydney Metro West project​

$9bn cost blowout could see major Sydney rail project scrapped, NSW premier says

The new rail line which will cut travel time between Sydney's CBD and Parramatta to about 20 minutes has significantly blown out in costs.

www.abc.net.au

New South Wales Premier Chris Minns has refused to rule out cancelling or delaying the $25 billion Metro West project, which would see travel time between Sydney's CBD and Parramatta slashed to about 20 minutes.

Key points:​

• The premier says it's unlikely the project will be delivered at the estimated cost of $25 billion
• He says he needs to consider whether the project is value for money
• A transport expert says the project has a major impact on the construction of new housing

Given the Western Line is at capacity as is I doubt he's canning it.

 

[Roby]

If we cannot afford the commonwealth games how can we afford the suburban rail loop? Dan must just think its monolopy money. Not surprising given he took 7 years to do an arts degree

One thing is a long term infrastructure that has long lasting benefits, the other is a a one time event for with a temporary boost to tourism and jobs. They're not really the same thing.

Attacking Dan for the time spent on his arts degree detracts from the argument and this fallacy seems to be the MO of right wingers, who fail to understand that it doesn't change the ability for someone to be able to make sound political or economic decisions.

But I'm sure you will respond with ad-honemines as that is your best skill.

 

[Wooden Robot]

One thing is a long term infrastructure that has long lasting benefits, the other is a a one time event for with a temporary boost to tourism and jobs. They're not really the same thing.

Attacking Dan for the time spent on his arts degree detracts from the argument and this fallacy seems to be the MO of right wingers, who fail to understand that it doesn't change the ability for someone to be able to make sound political or economic decisions.

But I'm sure you will respond with ad-honemines as that is your best skill.

Yes pursuing the Commonwealth Games when we were billions in debt was a sound economic decision.
Choosing to proceed with a Comm Games model that experts said wouldn't stack up and would unable to be delivered - and was proven correct - was a sound economic decision.
Sponsoring a netball team to the tune of $15 million was a sound investment?
We have a state debt well over $100 billion. Sound economic practice?
Sound economic practice is managing projects and keeping them to budget, something the Charlatan fails to do.
The fact he spent six years completing an arts degree and has never had a job outside the ALP machine are very valid points.
He had no worries sending businesses to the wall during COVID as he's never experience4d what it's like to work in one, let alone own one.

So, what are you, a virologist??
So there's nothing stopping an old bozo like me with an arts degree from making sound and rational decisions in your field.
Anyone can do it. Qualifications don't count.

I don't question the Charlatans ability to make political decisions as nearly every single one is based on politics and gain to himself and his party.

 

[The Punter]

Save money in a Liberal held seat, add another religious rightwinger to the party room and not risk a spill against Pesutto.

I don't know if I agree with the political calculus, but I understand it.

Why wouldn't Labor want to risk a spill against Pesutto? Do they think there is someone in the Liberal Party Room more likely to win in 2026? Any alternative to Pesutto would be from his right, which IMO would be better for Labor. Pesutto wouldn't survive losing Warrandtye.

Also, the forces inside the party room against Pesutto have managed to scare people away since December 2022. Pesutto won the leadership by one vote but the motion to expel Deeming by six. Considering he's lost Kim Wells, that's about four people moving the other way (IMO its Luu, Hermanns, Guy and one other).

I can see the reward if they run and win, but can't see the risk unless they have internal polling which shows them about to get creamed in Warrandyte, which would be contrary to every other bit of information we have. Even the better Morgan poll from last week has it only 2% better on 2PP than it was last year at the election - hardly a disaster for Labor if they lose the by-election with a 2% swing against. They have money - they just ran in Fadden for pete's sake. I just don't understand why their not running.

 

[Kwality]

But I'm sure you will respond with ad-honemines as that is your best skill.

Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem.

 

[Kwality]

Yes pursuing the Commonwealth Games when we were billions in debt was a sound economic decision.
Choosing to proceed with a Comm Games model that experts said wouldn't stack up and would unable to be delivered - and was proven correct - was a sound economic decision.
Sponsoring a netball team to the tune of $15 million was a sound investment?
We have a state debt well over $100 billion. Sound economic practice?
Sound economic practice is managing projects and keeping them to budget, something the Charlatan fails to do.
The fact he spent six years completing an arts degree and has never had a job outside the ALP machine are very valid points.
He had no worries sending businesses to the wall during COVID as he's never experience4d what it's like to work in one, let alone own one.

So, what are you, a virologist??
So there's nothing stopping an old bozo like me with an arts degree from making sound and rational decisions in your field.
Anyone can do it. Qualifications don't count.

I don't question the Charlatans ability to make political decisions as nearly every single one is based on politics and gain to himself and his party.

Victoria's credit rating speaks to the debt, higher interest rates .....

 

[Wooden Robot]

Victoria's credit rating speaks to the debt, higher interest rates .....

Yet, we have posters hailing the Premier's ability to ace gender studies and political history over six years as competent.

 

[kalex6251]

the ibac report into john woodman has just dropped ...... have only skimmed 'the costellos' early reporting at this stage but it appears there was no adverse comments or findings against andrews - despite the strong whisper campaign trying to link him heavily to the investigation ...... go figure

looks like payments were made to members of the 2 main parties - but 'the costello' is suggesting the majority of those payments went to the libs .... go figure again

[edit] paves way for some major reforms on planning - perhaps those rumoured changes to increase height/density limits in and around transport hubs is now a goer

 

[Wooden Robot]

the ibac report into john woodman has just dropped ...... have only skimmed 'the costellos' early reporting at this stage but it appears there was no adverse comments or findings against andrews - despite the strong whisper campaign trying to link him heavily to the investigation ...... go figure

looks like payments were made to members of the 2 main parties - but 'the costello' is suggesting the majority of those payments went to the libs .... go figure again

[edit] paves way for some major reforms on planning - perhaps those rumoured changes to increase height/density limits in and around transport hubs is now a goer

Ablett a former Liberal candidate and Aziz a former Labor candidate.

 

[Kwality]

the ibac report into john woodman has just dropped ...... have only skimmed 'the costellos' early reporting at this stage but it appears there was no adverse comments or findings against andrews - despite the strong whisper campaign trying to link him heavily to the investigation ...... go figure

looks like payments were made to members of the 2 main parties - but 'the costello' is suggesting the majority of those payments went to the libs .... go figure again

[edit] paves way for some major reforms on planning - perhaps those rumoured changes to increase height/density limits in and around transport hubs is now a goer

Here is Aunty's version:

• In short: A five-year investigation into a Melbourne council has concluded, finding a property developer paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to councillors to gain support
• What's next? IBAC has made 34 recommendations to tighten codes of conduct for councillors

Developer offered councillors cash for support, anti-corruption report finds

Property developer John Woodman plied suburban councillors with hundreds of thousands of dollars in exchange for support of his lucrative projects, a damning report from Victoria's anti-corruption watchdog has found.

www.abc.net.au

The Independent Broad-based Anti-Corruption Commission's investigation also lifts the lid on a pay-for-access culture across both major parties and details how the multi-millionaire developer Mr Woodman, and lobbyists working for him, were able to meet Premier Daniel Andrews through big donations to Labor party entities.

Mr Andrews dined with Mr Woodman at private Labor fundraisers and was secretly interviewed by IBAC over his association with the developer.

In one incident, IBAC found that Mr Andrews had asked a lobbyist to apologise to Mr Woodman after his government rejected a planning amendment the developer was seeking.

"The investigation also found that Mr Woodman sought to influence state government decision- making by paying lobbyists, and cultivating relationships with or funding state political candidates, political staff, MPs and ministers," the report said.

Politicians from both parties criticised in IBAC report​

While there are no adverse findings against the premier, IBAC makes adverse comments against Mr Woodman, four city of Casey councillors, lobbyists and Labor MP for Cranbourne Pauline Richards.

Three former Liberal Party state candidates, who were also councillors, including the late Amanda Stapledon and Susan Serey are all criticised in the report.'

Just the usual amount of 'rotten' in Victoria ????

To be hoped the ATO reviews the tax returns of all mentioned & get a handle on the cash transactions.

 

[Sttew]

Yet, we have posters hailing the Premier's ability to ace gender studies and political history over six years as competent.

The Premier is surrounded by up to 300 people in the Premiers Private Office whose sole job is to make him look good, and collectively they can’t get anything done without cost over runs, “grey” corruption and questionable decisions.

Even the Premier’s spin has become predictable and unbelievable.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Ablett a former Liberal candidate and Aziz a former Labor candidate.

Aziz is a liberal. Or was. He flipped from Labor at some point

Sam Aziz told to stop 'skiving off' in Cairo amid his sudden resignation from party

Liberal MP Tim Smith is calling for Casey councillor Sam Aziz to return from Cairo and "face the music" after he announced his resignation from the Liberal Party in a scathing social media post.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Roby]

Yes pursuing the Commonwealth Games when we were billions in debt was a sound economic decision.
Choosing to proceed with a Comm Games model that experts said wouldn't stack up and would unable to be delivered - and was proven correct - was a sound economic decision.
Sponsoring a netball team to the tune of $15 million was a sound investment?
We have a state debt well over $100 billion. Sound economic practice?
Sound economic practice is managing projects and keeping them to budget, something the Charlatan fails to do.
The fact he spent six years completing an arts degree and has never had a job outside the ALP machine are very valid points.
He had no worries sending businesses to the wall during COVID as he's never experience4d what it's like to work in one, let alone own one.

So, what are you, a virologist??
So there's nothing stopping an old bozo like me with an arts degree from making sound and rational decisions in your field.
Anyone can do it. Qualifications don't count.

I don't question the Charlatans ability to make political decisions as nearly every single one is based on politics and gain to himself and his party.

Hosting the Commonwelth Games while in debt - risky, you say? Life is a risk! Besides, it's not like we splurged on a Lamborgini for the weekend. We aimed for something grander, something that put Victoria in the global spotlight, booted tourism, and potentially, could pay for itself.

That $15 million netball sponsorship - not a fan of the sport, eh? Jokes apart, this ain't just about netball. It's about community, health, and cheering for women's sports. Sure, we can debate about the direct financial gain, but its societal value? Priceless.

State debt north of $100 billion? Scary number, I agree but we're not blowing it on diamond-encrusted toilets. We're investing in infrastructure, education, healthcare - the stuff that makes Victoria a better place. If debt equals improved standard of living and a sturdy future economy, then we're onto something!

And oh, Dan's arts degree and his "lack of job experience" outside of the ALP - I almost spilt my coffee! I mean, Churchill led Britain in WWII without a military degree and Elon Musk launched a car into space without being aeronautical engineer. Degrees and jobs aren’t a guaranteed measure of ability or success. Leadership, mate, is a whole different ball game.

As for his handling of COVID, yes, he made tough decisions. You can say he "sent businesses to the wall" or maybe he prioritized saving lives. Tough choice? Easier than picking what next binge-watch on Netflix.

Your can chime in on whatever you want, but when it comes to the nitty-gritty, best leave the science to the scientists and policy-making to the policymakers.

Political decisions are a careful balancing act with countless variables. Critiquing these decisions is fair game, but let's make sure we're adding a dash of nuance and respect for complexity. Sound fair?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Fair enough. I just reckon the Airport Rail Link should be given precedence over a suburban rail link. FMD, Brisbane has had an airport rail link for over a decade. Governments on both sides have dicked around on the Melbourne rail link for decades. Dan has now canned it twice in 9 years. I guess no votes in it.

I am very nearly resigned to it not being built in my lifetime.

 

[Satan]

I am very nearly resigned to it not being built in my lifetime.

That and the train to vfl park

 

[Brad Goodman]

Fair enough. I just reckon the Airport Rail Link should be given precedence over a suburban rail link. FMD, Brisbane has had an airport rail link for over a decade. Governments on both sides have dicked around on the Melbourne rail link for decades. Dan has now canned it twice in 9 years. I guess no votes in it.

Agree, IF it is significantly cheaper and quicker than the Skybus.

I guess it's really choosing between catering to tourists or residents (I would virtually always drive or taxi to the airport even if there was a train line, I imagine most resident travelers are the same).

 

[Wooden Robot]

Hosting the Commonwelth Games while in debt - risky, you say? Life is a risk! Besides, it's not like we splurged on a Lamborgini for the weekend. We aimed for something grander, something that put Victoria in the global spotlight, booted tourism, and potentially, could pay for itself.

That $15 million netball sponsorship - not a fan of the sport, eh? Jokes apart, this ain't just about netball. It's about community, health, and cheering for women's sports. Sure, we can debate about the direct financial gain, but its societal value? Priceless.

State debt north of $100 billion? Scary number, I agree but we're not blowing it on diamond-encrusted toilets. We're investing in infrastructure, education, healthcare - the stuff that makes Victoria a better place. If debt equals improved standard of living and a sturdy future economy, then we're onto something!

And oh, Dan's arts degree and his "lack of job experience" outside of the ALP - I almost spilt my coffee! I mean, Churchill led Britain in WWII without a military degree and Elon Musk launched a car into space without being aeronautical engineer. Degrees and jobs aren’t a guaranteed measure of ability or success. Leadership, mate, is a whole different ball game.

As for his handling of COVID, yes, he made tough decisions. You can say he "sent businesses to the wall" or maybe he prioritized saving lives. Tough choice? Easier than picking what next binge-watch on Netflix.

Your can chime in on whatever you want, but when it comes to the nitty-gritty, best leave the science to the scientists and policy-making to the policymakers.

Political decisions are a careful balancing act with countless variables. Critiquing these decisions is fair game, but let's make sure we're adding a dash of nuance and respect for complexity. Sound fair?

Written and authorised by D. Andrews, Mulgrave

Prioritised saving lives .. lol.
People died because of his COVID 'quarntine' debacle.

You miss the point. The Comm Games were "NEVER' going to pay for themselves.

 

[Wooden Robot]

I am very nearly resigned to it not being built in my lifetime.

It won't be.
As I told you the other day, it's a long-running joke in the north-west suburbs.
We've heard about it for 40-odd years and we are no closer.

 

[Roby]

Written and authorised by D. Andrews, Mulgrave

Prioritised saving lives .. lol.
People died because of his COVID 'quarntine' debacle.

You miss the point. The Comm Games were "NEVER' going to pay for themselves.

People died because of the quarantine in a deadly pandemic? That's a new one.