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Do we honesstly need spoiler tags considering the movie has been released already? If people are looking in here for session times then it serves them right.
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But IIRC he is already dead in level one before that. I think its when the van flips over the driver checks him and he had a bullet hole in his chest. The whole levels thing just seems make it up as we go along to me.
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People may be coming in to read reviews and decide if it's worth going to see.
It wasn't all a dream that was just the director teasing, you know, so we'd create these endless threads on the internet discussing whether it was all a dream or not.
There had to be a reality otherwise it was all meaningless. As well the "all a dream" trope* was done 60 years ago in The Wizard Of Oz and would be very uninventive for a director to actually use.
*I learnt this word today.
There had to be a reality otherwise it was all meaningless. As well the "all a dream" trope* was done 60 years ago in The Wizard Of Oz and would be very uninventive for a director to actually use.
*I learnt this word today.
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Movie Rule #21 - There are no new ideas in the motion picture industry. Just the ability to move tried and true themes into different settings.
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I daresay 70% of everyone's friends and family would have seen it by now, and in most cases would have had a positive view on it.
I definitely avoided this thread prior to watching it.
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I saw it at the drive in with a girl so didnt see most of the movie... was pretty confusing. Would like to see it again so it makes sense to me.
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I guess it's hard to concentrate on the film while your tongue is buried in some chicks mouth, huh.
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I guess it's hard to concentrate on the film while your tongue is buried in some chicks mouth, huh.
For a 2 hour movie, you'd be hoping her mouth wasn't the only place his tongue was buried.
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Good but too long, like Dark Knight
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Average movie. Hyped for merinos.
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Good concept, extremely well executed - great movie; absolutely shits all over Avatar.
Good concept, extremely well executed - great movie; absolutely shits all over Avatar.
I was expecting his top not to spin in the very last scene, and realise he was ****ed and still in the dream...
Might shit all over Avatar, but that isn't that hard.
The Matrix is something Inception should be compared to.
The Matrix is better.
The Matrix is something Inception should be compared to.
The Matrix is better.
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Just saw it today and I agree with the Matrix comparisons. Exactly what I was thinking in the first 20 minutes. It wasn't as trippy as people were saying, some moments where you thought "Woah, that's awesome, but not really any wtf moments.
Are you sure he was still in the dream? The spinner thing looked like it was about to fall.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt owned this movie. Especially the actions scenes where he was floating around!
"The Lookout" is another favorite of mine he is in. THis guy is definately one of the up and comers dominating the business.
The spinner thing falling could just mean it isn't his dream, and it does seem like he could be in limbo because everything that occurs at the end seems so much like a dream sequence
Simple phonecall from Saito results in Michael Caine taking a flight from Paris to LA instantaneously, and his kids are still exactly the same
Simple phonecall from Saito results in Michael Caine taking a flight from Paris to LA instantaneously, and his kids are still exactly the same
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I went and saw it just then and I must say I was very impressed. You need to concentrate while your watching it though as you just end up getting confused if you miss out on any bit. Very mentally stimulating (no pun intended
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Highlight to reveal---> The top spinning at the end was a bit of an anti-climax especially after watching all of the movie but it lets the audience make their own assumptions which isn't too bad IMO<---
).Highlight to reveal---> The top spinning at the end was a bit of an anti-climax especially after watching all of the movie but it lets the audience make their own assumptions which isn't too bad IMO<---
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Fantastic movie 10/10, highlight for me was the
Can someone comment a bit on the architecture, is the cities being designed by the girl embedded in that machine? She designed all layers so I presume that is correct? Also the gunman etc are just the subconscious correct?
I think it's reality as when Cobb was telling the little girl and fisher they were dreaming, he always said "you can't remember how you got here" or something to that effect. When Cobb wakes up on the plane he knows exactly what has gone on, if it was a dream he wouldn't remember how he got on a plane. Didn't explain that well but hopefully someone can elaborate.
Haven't seen many people mentioning the papper windmill like object found in the safe, am I correct in saying that it represented clean energy? Considering the organisation was an energy company, my take was that fisher jnr was going to build a company based on clean energy.
Anyway here is the general consensus of the final scene from a poster on imbd, spot on imo
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Can someone comment a bit on the architecture, is the cities being designed by the girl embedded in that machine? She designed all layers so I presume that is correct? Also the gunman etc are just the subconscious correct?
I think it's reality as when Cobb was telling the little girl and fisher they were dreaming, he always said "you can't remember how you got here" or something to that effect. When Cobb wakes up on the plane he knows exactly what has gone on, if it was a dream he wouldn't remember how he got on a plane. Didn't explain that well but hopefully someone can elaborate.
Haven't seen many people mentioning the papper windmill like object found in the safe, am I correct in saying that it represented clean energy? Considering the organisation was an energy company, my take was that fisher jnr was going to build a company based on clean energy.
Anyway here is the general consensus of the final scene from a poster on imbd, spot on imo
** WARNING: This is long, and every word of it contains spoilers. Beware **
It is NOT a dream: The WEDDING RING gives it away.
I have now seen this movie three times. The first time I saw it I thought it was not a dream and he was home. When I saw discussions to the contrary, I saw it again looking for any clues to tell whether he is dreaming the whole time, and questioned the ending thoroughly. It was not until I saw a post about someone saying he is only wearing a wedding ring when he dreams. Multiple people shot it down saying that they saw him wearing it in reality or that he was not wearing it in this dream or that one. My third viewing had me looking for the ring in almost every shot, seeing if his totem ever falls in a dream (Something someone said happened), looking at his children's faces to see if they are the same, etc.
My analysis as follows:
The Wedding Ring:
We start the movie with Cobb in limbo with Saito, he is wearing a ring. Step back to the beginning, he is trying to convince Saito to let him into his mind to help protect it, this takes place in a dream two layers down. He is wearing a wedding ring. Things go south and we wake up in the apartment, where we think an angry mob is really coming down the street. They threaten Saito's life with him thinking it is reality, only for him to discover otherwise. In this entire scene Cobb is wearing a wedding ring. Wake up on the train, NO WEDDING RING. In the hotel suite on the phone with his kids, NO WEDDING RING. On the roof talking to Saito, NO WEDDING RING. France, the architecture university, NO WEDDING RING. The coffee shop in Ariadne's first shared dream, Cobb is wearing his wedding ring, she freaks out. They wake up in the workshop, NO WEDDING RING. They go back under and Ariadne explores the physics of the dreamworld, again Cobb is wearing a wedding ring.
Cobb goes to see Eames, the entire time not wearing a ring. He meets the new chemist, still no ring. The chemist gives him a quick taste of his latest potion, in that scene we get a quick glimpse of his hand with a WEDDING RING. Wakes up, no ring. See the pattern?
So finally, the inception. We are on the plane, we clearly see is not wearing a ring. Level 1, WEDDING RING, Level 2, WEDDING RING, Level 3 WEDDING RING, Limbo he is wearing his WEDDING RING.
After he meets Saito as an old man, the conversation continues past what we saw in the beginning, yet even here he is wearing a WEDDING RING still. Then, when Saito reaches for the gun, we are on an airplane. He is not wearing a wedding ring here.
HERE IS THE KEY. As he is walking through the terminal, no ring, as he is greeted by father in law, no ring, when he gets home and spins his totem, no ring.
In his dreams he is married to Mul still, as she can still exist there. In reality, he knows she is dead and does not wear a wedding ring as he is no longer married. A simple yet easily unnoticed way to test which parts are reality.
Not done there, I investigated another thing, Cobb's totem:
I have seen many posts of people saying his totem falls when he is in others' dreams. This is simply not true. People say it wobbles and falls over in the beginning. I watched and listened closely, Saito spins the top and we hear it spinning as the scene cuts to the young Saito. Then, in the end when we see him old again, he looks down and it is still spinning, he knows he is not in reality and goes for the gun.
When Cobb uses inception on Mul, it continues and never stops. In the hotel after the failed Saito mission, it falls. A funny thing to note is that every scene in which the top spins endlessly he is wearing a WEDDING RING. In the scenes in which it topples, he is not.
Now, the awakening scene. Looks an awful lot like a dream right? Not really. He wakes up on the plane surprised, but everyone is smiling. They woke up from the sedatives, but Cobb and Saito were down in limbo. When they got back, everyone is happy to see he made it, Saito looks just as stunned only backing up the fact that he really snapped back to reality. They are all getting bags, going through customs, etc. Everyone looks at each other with a grin because they know inception worked and that Cobb is finally home. Not very dream-like except that it seems like a dream come true. Had the scene after he and Saito with the gun been him in his home, him on his way to his home, etc, I would think it is a dream. No, he awakens in EXACTLY the place he went to sleep to start inception. You never really know how you get to where you are in a dream do you? Then how does he know he is on a plane and just successfully completed inception on Robert Fischer, the man in front of him?
Finally, the home scene. Looks like a dream? In this case, yes it does. we see the children exactly where they were, doing the same thing, wearing the same clothes. They appear the same age. On my second viewing this was red flag that it was a dream. But on my third viewing I noticed slight differences, such as the kids looking slightly older. The cast list has two sets of kids listed, ones slightly older than the others. They are not voice casts but actual actors in the film. I especially noticed a difference as the camera pans towards the totem, I chose to focus on the back door with the kids. The girl is seen throwing herself on her father, in this scene she looks clearly older than the memory he has of her.
And of course, the totem itself. I watched each spin my third time through. It spun flawlessly for a while, began to wobble slightly, then started a hard wobble then fall. In the final scene it appears to be spinning smoothly for a long time, he probably gave it a lot of power. It starts to slightly wobble, and the screen goes black after it begins a HARD WOBBLE as if it is about to topple, not correct itself.
Conclusion: The movie isn't a dream, Cobb isn't caught in some "limbo that looks a lot like reality." Cobb spends the entire movie trying to get to his kids in reality, why would he settle for shades in a limbo? What proof is there that he is dreaming the whole time? If he is dreaming at the end, where is he dreaming? Limbo? So he goes from talking to Saito to just waking up on a plane, all as a part of a dream in limbo? Really? Think about it.
Nolan would never take the "eeet was aaaaalll a dreeeeaaaammmmm" cliche way out. But the fact that he cut the film before the top falls over does have a meaning. He is planting a seed of doubt in your mind. He uses inception on the audience to have them question the ending. The concept of the movie thus becomes reality to the viewer, a heavy thing to think about and something that hasn't been done before.
But all the evidence points to reality.
It is NOT a dream: The WEDDING RING gives it away.
I have now seen this movie three times. The first time I saw it I thought it was not a dream and he was home. When I saw discussions to the contrary, I saw it again looking for any clues to tell whether he is dreaming the whole time, and questioned the ending thoroughly. It was not until I saw a post about someone saying he is only wearing a wedding ring when he dreams. Multiple people shot it down saying that they saw him wearing it in reality or that he was not wearing it in this dream or that one. My third viewing had me looking for the ring in almost every shot, seeing if his totem ever falls in a dream (Something someone said happened), looking at his children's faces to see if they are the same, etc.
My analysis as follows:
The Wedding Ring:
We start the movie with Cobb in limbo with Saito, he is wearing a ring. Step back to the beginning, he is trying to convince Saito to let him into his mind to help protect it, this takes place in a dream two layers down. He is wearing a wedding ring. Things go south and we wake up in the apartment, where we think an angry mob is really coming down the street. They threaten Saito's life with him thinking it is reality, only for him to discover otherwise. In this entire scene Cobb is wearing a wedding ring. Wake up on the train, NO WEDDING RING. In the hotel suite on the phone with his kids, NO WEDDING RING. On the roof talking to Saito, NO WEDDING RING. France, the architecture university, NO WEDDING RING. The coffee shop in Ariadne's first shared dream, Cobb is wearing his wedding ring, she freaks out. They wake up in the workshop, NO WEDDING RING. They go back under and Ariadne explores the physics of the dreamworld, again Cobb is wearing a wedding ring.
Cobb goes to see Eames, the entire time not wearing a ring. He meets the new chemist, still no ring. The chemist gives him a quick taste of his latest potion, in that scene we get a quick glimpse of his hand with a WEDDING RING. Wakes up, no ring. See the pattern?
So finally, the inception. We are on the plane, we clearly see is not wearing a ring. Level 1, WEDDING RING, Level 2, WEDDING RING, Level 3 WEDDING RING, Limbo he is wearing his WEDDING RING.
After he meets Saito as an old man, the conversation continues past what we saw in the beginning, yet even here he is wearing a WEDDING RING still. Then, when Saito reaches for the gun, we are on an airplane. He is not wearing a wedding ring here.
HERE IS THE KEY. As he is walking through the terminal, no ring, as he is greeted by father in law, no ring, when he gets home and spins his totem, no ring.
In his dreams he is married to Mul still, as she can still exist there. In reality, he knows she is dead and does not wear a wedding ring as he is no longer married. A simple yet easily unnoticed way to test which parts are reality.
Not done there, I investigated another thing, Cobb's totem:
I have seen many posts of people saying his totem falls when he is in others' dreams. This is simply not true. People say it wobbles and falls over in the beginning. I watched and listened closely, Saito spins the top and we hear it spinning as the scene cuts to the young Saito. Then, in the end when we see him old again, he looks down and it is still spinning, he knows he is not in reality and goes for the gun.
When Cobb uses inception on Mul, it continues and never stops. In the hotel after the failed Saito mission, it falls. A funny thing to note is that every scene in which the top spins endlessly he is wearing a WEDDING RING. In the scenes in which it topples, he is not.
Now, the awakening scene. Looks an awful lot like a dream right? Not really. He wakes up on the plane surprised, but everyone is smiling. They woke up from the sedatives, but Cobb and Saito were down in limbo. When they got back, everyone is happy to see he made it, Saito looks just as stunned only backing up the fact that he really snapped back to reality. They are all getting bags, going through customs, etc. Everyone looks at each other with a grin because they know inception worked and that Cobb is finally home. Not very dream-like except that it seems like a dream come true. Had the scene after he and Saito with the gun been him in his home, him on his way to his home, etc, I would think it is a dream. No, he awakens in EXACTLY the place he went to sleep to start inception. You never really know how you get to where you are in a dream do you? Then how does he know he is on a plane and just successfully completed inception on Robert Fischer, the man in front of him?
Finally, the home scene. Looks like a dream? In this case, yes it does. we see the children exactly where they were, doing the same thing, wearing the same clothes. They appear the same age. On my second viewing this was red flag that it was a dream. But on my third viewing I noticed slight differences, such as the kids looking slightly older. The cast list has two sets of kids listed, ones slightly older than the others. They are not voice casts but actual actors in the film. I especially noticed a difference as the camera pans towards the totem, I chose to focus on the back door with the kids. The girl is seen throwing herself on her father, in this scene she looks clearly older than the memory he has of her.
And of course, the totem itself. I watched each spin my third time through. It spun flawlessly for a while, began to wobble slightly, then started a hard wobble then fall. In the final scene it appears to be spinning smoothly for a long time, he probably gave it a lot of power. It starts to slightly wobble, and the screen goes black after it begins a HARD WOBBLE as if it is about to topple, not correct itself.
Conclusion: The movie isn't a dream, Cobb isn't caught in some "limbo that looks a lot like reality." Cobb spends the entire movie trying to get to his kids in reality, why would he settle for shades in a limbo? What proof is there that he is dreaming the whole time? If he is dreaming at the end, where is he dreaming? Limbo? So he goes from talking to Saito to just waking up on a plane, all as a part of a dream in limbo? Really? Think about it.
Nolan would never take the "eeet was aaaaalll a dreeeeaaaammmmm" cliche way out. But the fact that he cut the film before the top falls over does have a meaning. He is planting a seed of doubt in your mind. He uses inception on the audience to have them question the ending. The concept of the movie thus becomes reality to the viewer, a heavy thing to think about and something that hasn't been done before.
But all the evidence points to reality.
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Let me say I loved the movie, any sort critisisms leveled at it have been been small and dont really agree with IMO (the action vs character development debate - thought the balance was good) HOWEVER, as soon as he spun his totem and the camera was fixed on it, could see it from a mile away that the screen would turn to black before it had a chance to topple. I am in no way a movie expert but for anyone with a decent appreciation for movies would have seen that coming.
True, but the timing of it was very unexpected. You expect it to cut straight away, but it holds long enough for you to wonder if something different might happen. I thought it was a flawless ending to a flawless movie.
Everything from the falling van onwards is just a masterclass of sublime cinema.
Everything from the falling van onwards is just a masterclass of sublime cinema.
Ben 09 thank you very much for that information regarding the wedding ring. For me it confirms that it was not a dream at the end, even though I left the film feeling that it was reality in the end. Was a great movie, enjoyed all aspects of it. Would love to watch again to see if I missed things.