Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Part I:

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

Breaking the law. 'International humanitarian law prohibits a siege of Gaza, UN human rights commissioner says From CNN's Eve Brennan Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, on September 7, 2018. Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in...

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Thanks all.

Play nicely, all.

 

[Kurve]

The interview isn't all about pushing Christianity but what I felt was interesting was the idea of a Federation. Ex PLO member, driver and sniper for Yasser Arafat.

 

[Kurve]

These rantings, possibly shared before.

Are from an organisation which the Australian Jewish Association raises funds for:



The AJA raises funds for this movement, all over their website.

In my opinion, they're funding terrorism and should be locked up.

As Australians, this is something we might have some influence over. Target this one and her party, go at Israel sideways if you get what I mean.

It might be the smarter way to go.

 

[Not Important]

The Palestinians are well armed, getting weapons from Iran and Syria through a network of tunnels beneath the Egypt / Gaza border. Stop pretending Palestine has s f a. They have already fired over 5,000 rockets.

so, the last time you dropped by i corrected your selective/incomplete use of a palestinian phrase you posted to mislead. you turn up again and do the same with a comment of mine. i wrote the palestinians have by comparison s.f.a in weaponry. no one with a full set of brain cells would say the palestinians weaponry was in the same stratosphere as israel’s. and i was at pains to point out in my post how it has been developed and sold around the world.

no mention of the history i put which showed who have been the aggressors from the time the state of israel was established in the area. just this piece of sweeping israeli propaganda that the lying israel leadership spouts by the day. i repeat, only the ignorant and or indoctrinated zionists would suggest the weaponry the palestinians have acquired is in the same stratosphere as the state-of-the-art weaponry israel possesses and which it exports often to despots. israel’s far superior weaponry is in no small part due to billions of aid given by their enablers the yanks.

i posted earlier a video of a jewish academic who specialises in terrorism issues and who pointed to scientific studies of how best to radicalise peeps such as …the creation of ethnology states and marginalising certain ethnic groups.”

she went on to say “ so what’s the cause or radicalisation? Is it that those people are violent terrible people who just want to hurt others, the way they portray hamas. or is it that a bigger oppressing group pushed them and pushed them and took away more and more of their rights, their liberties, and their access to a normal life? pushed them and pushed them until some of these people snap and lash out violently. and then they can turn around and say ‘ oh my god see they’re violent. they’re terrible people they must be controlled. when it was the violence that they had done to them that pushed them to that point. do you think Israel doesn’t know this?

do you think israel doesn’t have access to these scientific studies? that israel doesn’t know what causes radicalisation? I think they do.”


she goes on to talk about not only the overt physical brutality such as the maiming, killing, and abuse by settlers (which the gov’t does little about), keeping gaza residents under siege by such things as nighttime random house invasions by the I.d.f, imprisoning kids for years without charge let alone trial etc. and the structural violence which removes basic human rights daly.

you just swallow hook-line-and-sinker the repetitious a.i.j.a.c propaganda that some peeps repeat here by the day. peeps who seem to have had moral/ethical bypasses.

just how anyone is not repulsed by the actions of israel in gaza now, let alone the decades of brutality and oppression of the occupation by israels cruel authoritarian leadership over decades is astonishing. and says so much about them.

 

[owen87]

Your views on this are lah lah land

 

[Kurve]

Come over for lunch, I'll cook.

 

[Kurve]

If we consider this movement a terrorist organisation, is not the whole West Bank settler project an act of terrorism? Hence the Israeli government are directly supporting terrorism?

My suggestion was to push to have the settlers party deregistered and under threat of being assessed as a terrororist organisation. We can't simply keep screaming that Israel is a terror org when it means nothing.

 

[owen87]

We can't simply keep screaming that Israel is a terror org when it means nothing.

Better than silently letting Israel act out their genocide pretending we can't say anything mean about them.

 

[ZEV]

Financing terrorism​

Under Division 103 of the Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth), it's illegal to finance terrorism.

A person finances terrorism when they:

• intentionally collect or provide money
• are reckless about whether the money will be used to facilitate or engage in a terrorist act.

Are you suggesting we cut all funding to UNRWA?

 

[Deliverance]

As Australians, this is something we might have some influence over. Target this one and her party, go at Israel sideways if you get what I mean.

It might be the smarter way to go.

The AJA allows comments on their FB posts I believe. Would be interesting to to see what happened if a bunch of people began some anti israel conversations there.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

I saw a good video on ABC, but it doesn't give much hope to a solution.
Maybe a 4 state solution , 2 Jewish, 2 arab/ palestinian might work, I don't know how though.
AmericaJordan,Egypt, Qatar can hopefully agree on a way forward.

 

[Malifice]

Israeli PM rejects US calls for Palestinian state after Gaza war

Things getting tense even between the Seppos and the Israelis now.

If Israel refuse to budge on allowing a Palestinian State to exist, why should they expect any of their neighbors to respect the right of Israel to exist?

* they're hypocrites.

 

[Captivating]

Actions like this aren’t things done in the normal course of conducting a war.

This is a bloodthirsty state conducting themselves in a manner so far outside of international law. Israel are worse than Hamas, anyone arguing against that at this point are just blind or brainwashed or both.

And yet our government refuses to call Israel out.

This is in the West Bank btw

Spoiler: TW dead body

CNN airs footage of a Palestinian sawing the heads off dead Israelis.

 

[Saint]

Are you suggesting we cut all funding to UNRWA?

Does anyone have proof UNRWA was involved in terrorism, or just the IDF calling everything in Gaza Hamas?

 

[Saint]

The AJA allows comments on their FB posts I believe. Would be interesting to to see what happened if a bunch of people began some anti israel conversations there.

Same thing as other religious supremacists, it's like a dog barking at a tree. They're not moved by common sense. They're zealots. Would be a waste of breath.

 

[Saint]

Israeli PM rejects US calls for Palestinian state after Gaza war

Things getting tense even between the Seppos and the Israelis now.

If Israel refuse to budge on allowing a Palestinian State to exist, why should they expect any of their neighbors to respect the right of Israel to exist?

* they're hypocrites.

The only answer to "do you accept the right of Israel to exist"

is now

"only if Israel accepts the right of Palestine to exist, otherwise, No"

 

[Deliverance]

Same thing as other religious supremacists, it's like a dog barking at a tree. They're not moved by common sense. They're zealots. Would be a waste of breath.

Would be amusing though. And good for them to know that mainstream Australia thinks differently to them.

 

[Zidane98]

Does anyone have proof UNRWA was involved in terrorism, or just the IDF calling everything in Gaza Hamas?

 

[PieLebo87]

If we consider this movement a terrorist organisation, is not the whole West Bank settler project an act of terrorism? Hence the Israeli government are directly supporting terrorism?

Who are we kidding? The whole Israeli government IS a terrorist organisation.

Just like Hamas has a ministry and an armed group, they get lumped into one as simply being a terrorist organisation, I’m sure it’s not inappropriate in this context to do the same with the Israeli government.

 

[owen87]

So 1 of 30,000. I assume the same standard applies to the IDF.

 

[Zidane98]

Israeli PM rejects US calls for Palestinian state after Gaza war

Things getting tense even between the Seppos and the Israelis now.

If Israel refuse to budge on allowing a Palestinian State to exist, why should they expect any of their neighbors to respect the right of Israel to exist?

* they're hypocrites.

Yeah there's no excusing not accepting a independent state. They've agreed on it before, they should be held to that agreement. Once the fighting stops Israel should be given a short timeframe in which to fully accept an independent Palestinian state. And failure to do so should see severe consequences even from allies.

 

[Zidane98]

So 1 of 30,000. I assume the same standard applies to the IDF.

"runs a chatroom for 3000 UNRWA teachers"

 

[Chief]

Once the fighting stops Israel should be given a short timeframe in which to fully accept an independent Palestinian state. And failure to do so should see severe consequences even from allies.

So, return the West Bank land and stop controlling Gaza with the water and electricity supply?

 

[Zidane98]

So, return the West Bank land and stop controlling Gaza with the water and electricity supply?

I would go one step further and impose a Gaza - West Bank transport corridor be established for the state of Palestine to be used exclusively for travel & goods supply from West Bank to & from Gaza.


As for water and electricity supply - that's up to each state to organise for itself. Otherwise it's not an independent state.

 

[owen87]

"runs a chatroom for 3000 UNRWA teachers"

I can only assume by this standard you support everything Chief supports and should be held responsible for those views.

 

[Chief]

As for water and electricity supply - that's up to each state to organise for itself. Otherwise it's not an independent state.

When you keep a place poor as you can manage, and bomb their infrastructure, it's no surprise that they can't develop their own water supplies.