Should have started 5 year ago and then kept it current with donations from all supporters of the club...Because it will cost a lot more than $200k to make the renos of the stand
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Should have started 5 year ago and then kept it current with donations from all supporters of the club...Because it will cost a lot more than $200k to make the renos of the stand
The point about heritage listing is moot, it doesn't so it doesn't matter imo.
Should have started 5 year ago and then kept it current with donations from all supporters of the club...
Tottenham's stadium is seperate to their training HQ. Different project. But the point is that accommodation and elite sporting facilities is not as far fetched an idea as is being made out.They can build alongside the stand in the same way they have retained the Ladies' Stand at the SCG.
The Tottenham project includes a 60,000 seat stadium and hosting NFL matches.
The project has taken a decade to build and costs have escalated from £400 million to £850 million (approximately $1.5 billion AUD) so it is incomparable in terms of cost and scale.
What i'm trying to do is get people to think laterally. I know it's the internet and we are all prone top being stubborn but there's been hardly any talk of compromise on this whole thread.
I suspect people (including the board) really just want a new facility to be the envy of all the other clubs and would rather that than a sort of hybrid that might look funky as you drive past it. Especially if you have been to some of the giant sporting clubs with their fancy digs.
This kind of lateral thinking should also apply to things such as: the potential future redevelopment of Richmond Station. The potential future widening of Punt Rd. I dare say where was the lateral thinking when building the Swinburne Centre which has no balcony and now appears to be at maximum capacity only a few years after it was built.
A few people here have suggested alternatives. Build higher behind the goals. Build in the car park. Keep all the Women's team at Craigieburn. Move non-essential roles to sites elsewhere in Richmond. Very few of these have actually been addressed rationally, just dismissed out of hand. But hey it's what passes for discussion on the internet so i'm not fazed.
I think there should be room for compromise in the discussion stage. That's why I ask 'what if?' Is there a way to have shiny new digs and our heritage? What is the cost and could we afford it? I am also wary of what happened at Carlton when they built the Legends Stand. Hubris creeping in. I am concerned we might sink too much of our own money into this, and at the end of the day I also question which government is going to throw money at it unless it's an exercise in pork barrelling.
What i'm trying to do is get people to think laterally. I know it's the internet and we are all prone top being stubborn but there's been hardly any talk of compromise on this whole thread.
I suspect people (including the board) really just want a new facility to be the envy of all the other clubs and would rather that than a sort of hybrid that might look funky as you drive past it. Especially if you have been to some of the giant sporting clubs with their fancy digs.
This kind of lateral thinking should also apply to things such as: the potential future redevelopment of Richmond Station. The potential future widening of Punt Rd. I dare say where was the lateral thinking when building the Swinburne Centre which has no balcony and now appears to be at maximum capacity only a few years after it was built.
A few people here have suggested alternatives. Build higher behind the goals. Build in the car park. Keep all the Women's team at Craigieburn. Move non-essential roles to sites elsewhere in Richmond. Very few of these have actually been addressed rationally, just dismissed out of hand. But hey it's what passes for discussion on the internet so i'm not fazed.
I think there should be room for compromise in the discussion stage. That's why I ask 'what if?' Is there a way to have shiny new digs and our heritage? What is the cost and could we afford it? I am also wary of what happened at Carlton when they built the Legends Stand. Hubris creeping in. I am concerned we might sink too much of our own money into this, and at the end of the day I also question which government is going to throw money at it unless it's an exercise in pork barrelling.
We didn't always have 100k members either so at $2 per member per year, it would take around 20 years to pay off a proper refurb of the stands and even then it would hold us back from redeveloping the site properly.Should have started 5 year ago and then kept it current with donations from all supporters of the club...
Ok lets not do anything let it crumble into disrepair...At $2 per member per year, it would take around 20 years to pay off a proper refurb of the stands and even then it would hold us back from redeveloping the site properly.
The issue is too, as Caroline writes, why the secrecy?
Promoting the blueprint to political elites in Canberra and Spring Street, but ignoring the members.
The issue is too, as Caroline writes, why the secrecy?
Promoting the blueprint to political elites in Canberra and Spring Street, but ignoring the members.
You make a very good point that the actual usage of the grand stand is extraordinarily low and completely disproportionate to the shockwaves prompted with any discussion around removing it.It does bear mentioning that off-field success i.e. big revenue, does provide the club with an ability to devote ever greater resources to winning games, and hopefully premierships. Without the revenue, we fall into the equalisation trap of hoping that the dollars given to us by pokies subsidised clubs will be enough to hire elite professionals.
The amount of time people spend sitting in the stands is extraordinarily low. The amount of revenue we can bring in from those wonderful souls watching VFL and buying pies and chips is pretty low. When you compare that to the potential of a facility that gets used orders of magnitudes more often, across a wide breadth of categories, all year around, we can bring in vastly more revenue, and also provide a greater outcome to society.
For those of us in a privileged position of employment, housing, gender, race etc. we simply cannot fathom what others suffer. We can be in a position to help hundreds/thousands of people live better lives, whilst being able to have the best resources for our team. Win/Win.
Unfortunately, the comparison to the ladies stand at the SCG is slightly unfair. The SCG's primary revenue stream is selling hosting of events, getting people to watch the events and selling the people food. They have the space to build big around it, and the entire SCG holds 48,000 and the most they've had since 2003 is 46,323. They have never run out of space in the last 15 years, so they don't need to think about expansions or replacements.
I've followed the Tigers my entire life, my family has been on the bandwagon for nigh on 75 years, and none of us have any emotional connection to the stand. I imagine there will be more members/supporters that are in that category than emotionally attached to the stand.
The stand looks great, but I can tell you that I will trade in all of the stands in Victoria for a premiership.
tl;dr - I want premierships for the club, and to be a better societal contributor. If the stand stands in the way of that, and it's not heritage listed, it probably should go.
Why would we want to separate the club into different offices at different sites after seeing how badly other clubs have handled it (Melbourne and now the saints)?
Indeed.
And is that what the staff want?
Wouldn't be surprised if they did not want split offices.
Haere Ra
That depends if the women's admin team are completely dedicated to the women's team, or if there is some overlap of staffWhat is not clear is whether the women's teams are going to host their admin at Punt rd.
My opinion is no. They can be based elsewhere. Maybe at Craigieburn. By all means play matches at Punt rd but the two clubs are effectively independent (not all will agree with my sentiment I suppose) but if we are short of space and it doesn't contribute to winning a flag well sorry ladies but you will be housed elsewhere. I can remember the Ill fated attempt by both Collingwood and Carlton to try to enter teams in the Victorian soccer comp. Complete cluster ****. If it's not core business it doesn't get priority access to Punt rd oval. Well that's my attitude.
I don’t believe there’s any remaining connection with craigieburn , much of the focus on shire relationships has been with Cardinia , south east of MelbourneWhat is not clear is whether the women's teams are going to host their admin at Punt rd.
My opinion is no. They can be based elsewhere. Maybe at Craigieburn. By all means play matches at Punt rd but the two clubs are effectively independent (not all will agree with my sentiment I suppose) but if we are short of space and it doesn't contribute to winning a flag well sorry ladies but you will be housed elsewhere. I can remember the Ill fated attempt by both Collingwood and Carlton to try to enter teams in the Victorian soccer comp. Complete cluster ****. If it's not core business it doesn't get priority access to Punt rd oval. Well that's my attitude.
I get this, but in my considered opinion, we have outlived PRO in its current state, and if its the choice between moving or staying and getting rid of the old stand then so be it. As i said, if it was heritage listed, then that is another conversation, but since its not, lets not get into hypotheticals.What i'm trying to do is get people to think laterally. I know it's the internet and we are all prone top being stubborn but there's been hardly any talk of compromise on this whole thread.
I suspect people (including the board) really just want a new facility to be the envy of all the other clubs and would rather that than a sort of hybrid that might look funky as you drive past it. Especially if you have been to some of the giant sporting clubs with their fancy digs.
This kind of lateral thinking should also apply to things such as: the potential future redevelopment of Richmond Station. The potential future widening of Punt Rd. I dare say where was the lateral thinking when building the Swinburne Centre which has no balcony and now appears to be at maximum capacity only a few years after it was built.
A few people here have suggested alternatives. Build higher behind the goals. Build in the car park. Keep all the Women's team at Craigieburn. Move non-essential roles to sites elsewhere in Richmond. Very few of these have actually been addressed rationally, just dismissed out of hand. But hey it's what passes for discussion on the internet so i'm not fazed.
I think there should be room for compromise in the discussion stage. That's why I ask 'what if?' Is there a way to have shiny new digs and our heritage? What is the cost and could we afford it? I am also wary of what happened at Carlton when they built the Legends Stand. Hubris creeping in. I am concerned we might sink too much of our own money into this, and at the end of the day I also question which government is going to throw money at it unless it's an exercise in pork barrelling.
I could be wrong, but the women’s team being based at Punt road also significantly increases any chance of government funding.
The reality is the site is cramped as it is.
We will wait to see.
I don't see the point of expanding education and other facilities on site when they could be provided in the suburbs.