Jesse Hogan(mini-draft)- priority for us

[free at last]

194cm, 97kg power athlete who ran a 14.4 beep test today. Kid will make a bigger impact than Darling did from the start.

Reckon Pick 16 and Moller will get it done, but then that may be paying overs. Got to remember, Moller will be a bit of a poster boy for GWS as he is from greater western Sydney.

Maybe Pick 16, Moller for Jesse Hogan and Tom Lee.

$h*t I hope your on the money ch 77.Hogans 3km time trial and 14.4 beep test results would put him in a good position to buy into RTB's game plan.I remember earlier in the year Ross was talking about the type of players he's looking to draft and the key was versatility and able to run lots at a high tempo.

 

[blue shark]

Jesse Hogan is being rated on Potential, and what he did in colts, u18 football. Yes he has the build, size to dominate his peers, but
what if he is another Tom Swift?
Darling played for west Perth in the WAFL, Jakovich was playing for Souths at 16, Hawkins took years to develop, and he was fortunate
to be at Geelong.
Graham Polak was supposed to be the next power forward, when Pavlich's name was called out in the draft, alot of people said "who"
Rather another Pavlich. use the draft and back the recruiters.
Houghton also had elite beep tests, still waiting to see him play well for Perth.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Jesse Hogan is being rated on Potential, and what he did in colts, u18 football. Yes he has the build, size to dominate his peers, but
what if he is another Tom Swift?
Darling played for west Perth in the WAFL, Jakovich was playing for Souths at 16, Hawkins took years to develop, and he was fortunate
to be at Geelong.
Graham Polak was supposed to be the next power forward, when Pavlich's name was called out in the draft, alot of people said "who"
Rather another Pavlich. use the draft and back the recruiters.
Houghton also had elite beep tests, still waiting to see him play well for Perth.

Yes, but did you really expect Hogan to get into a team that won the WAFL premiership? Midfielders can easily slot in, but key forwards don't exactly step into good teams when they are young.

Also the bolded is pretty stupid. The only people who would have said that were idiots if they'd ever seen Pavlich play in the SANFL.

 

[ritz]

I posted this in the draft and trading board:

Wonder if we'll do a double dip with GWS similar to what Brisbane did with gold coast. They have already stolen Palmer so will need our permission to take any further players. Potentially playing out like the following:

Ibbotson to GWS
End of first round selection to us from AFL (compensation pick

Deal Part 2:
Compensation pick, 1st rounder and Moller to GWS
2nd mini-draft pick (Jesse Hogan / Jack Martin) to us

End result:
From our end: Ibbotson + 1st round selection + Moller = Jesse Hogan
From their end: 2nd Mini-draft pick = Ibbotson, compensation pick, 1st round selection, Moller

May not involve the players suggested or the draft picks, but i think the 'double dip' will be used by a few clubs
around the country.

This sounds about right IMO. Although we are trading away a ruckman/ potential KPF in Moller ( who could turn out to be a gun ) to pick up a KPF.

I reckon we'd be better to hang onto Moller if possible and do the trade you suggested with perhaps Broughton instead of Moller.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

I'm a bit gunshy about trading away first round picks now given our history. But gee, we need a kpf, hogan sounds like the guy we need. We just don't have any other currency though. Clarke and Ibbo for mini draft pick 2 I could live with. But I can't see Clarke wanting to move to Sydney. Maybe we can ship him to Melbourne for an early pick and then ontrade that with Ibbo. O e way or another we NEED a key forward... With our pick in the draft I just don't see how we are going to get one with the right amount of talent

 

[blue shark]

Pavlich nominated in the 1998 draft, no one picked him up. In 1999 Richmond had the choice. Did Hogan even play reserves?
Yes Jesse has huge Potential, the same could of been said of Des Headland. If we can do a win-win for both clubs then yes, but I still
think one of the highly rated KPF will be available for our first pick.

 

[Ysaye]

I'm a bit gunshy about trading away first round picks now given our history. But gee, we need a kpf, hogan sounds like the guy we need. We just don't have any other currency though. Clarke and Ibbo for mini draft pick 2 I could live with. But I can't see Clarke wanting to move to Sydney. Maybe we can ship him to Melbourne for an early pick and then ontrade that with Ibbo. O e way or another we NEED a key forward... With our pick in the draft I just don't see how we are going to get one with the right amount of talent

I know what you are saying but essentially we are not trading our first pick but upgrading it to a better one with a caveat that the player can't play for a year. This caveat would be not desirable if it was a midfielder but because we are talking about a key position who in an ideal world shouldn't be exposed in their first year, I see this as a bit of protection (particularly given teams do get some expectation from fans to play high draft picks early).

 

[Shadow Man]

I posted this in the draft and trading board:

Wonder if we'll do a double dip with GWS similar to what Brisbane did with gold coast. They have already stolen Palmer so will need our permission to take any further players. Potentially playing out like the following:

Ibbotson to GWS
End of first round selection to us from AFL (compensation pick)

Deal Part 2:
Compensation pick, 1st rounder and Moller to GWS
2nd mini-draft pick (Jesse Hogan / Jack Martin) to us

End result:
From our end: Ibbotson + 1st round selection + Moller = Jesse Hogan
From their end: 2nd Mini-draft pick = Ibbotson, compensation pick, 1st round selection, Moller

May not involve the players suggested or the draft picks, but i think the 'double dip' will be used by a few clubs around the country.

Well thought out, I could live with the end result if we were to drop Moller off the end and they were to get our first round pick plus compensation pick and Ibbo (or similar).

 

[ritz]

Emma Quayle ‏@emmasq
Mini-draft talks have slowed up a bit. The Dogs-GWS-Richmond trade won't happen. Coll, Melb, Dogs & possibly Geelong all keen for a pick

 

[Dockernut]

Emma Quayle ‏@emmasq
Mini-draft talks have slowed up a bit. The Dogs-GWS-Richmond trade won't happen. Coll, Melb, Dogs & possibly Geelong all keen for a pick

Shame we're not named there.

 

[kp junior]

Pavlich nominated in the 1998 draft, no one picked him up. In 1999 Richmond had the choice. Did Hogan even play reserves?
Yes Jesse has huge Potential, the same could of been said of Des Headland. If we can do a win-win for both clubs then yes, but I still
think one of the highly rated KPF will be available for our first pick.

Don't think this quite correct re Pavlich. He wasn't picked up as a 17 year old, bit by the time he was 18 he was very well known

 

[willoblue]

Agree with what your saying and want Hogan more than any of the others however despite Hogan being ready to go but I'm not sure how much effect he will have in his 1st yr. Patton was supposed to be ready to go had little effect (injuries), Darling had an outstanding first yr as a KPF and only managed about 25 goals.

Hogan is not overly tall for a KPF and will have to learn how to deal with KPD's that are taller than him which is something he won't have had to do in the juniors.

Still not convinced we have the currency to get him it would take our first pick plus quality- Clarke or maybe Morabito.

wouhhh. Don't even joke about that

 

[WAguru]

Jesse Hogan is being rated on Potential, and what he did in colts, u18 football. Yes he has the build, size to dominate his peers, but
what if he is another Tom Swift?
Darling played for west Perth in the WAFL, Jakovich was playing for Souths at 16, Hawkins took years to develop, and he was fortunate
to be at Geelong.
Graham Polak was supposed to be the next power forward, when Pavlich's name was called out in the draft, alot of people said "who"
Rather another Pavlich. use the draft and back the recruiters.
Houghton also had elite beep tests, still waiting to see him play well for Perth.

Have you watched Hogan play?

 

[mr.11]

We expecting Freo to make a play for mini draft pick from GWS?

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

wouhhh. Don't even joke about that

wouhhh. Don't even joke about that

I wouldn't be against trading morabito. He is uncommitted and not a very smart footballer. Morabito for mini draft pick one would be a great deal for us

 

[Cheetah]

Can't see it happening though.

 

[Dockernut]

I wouldn't be against trading morabito. He is uncommitted and not a very smart footballer. Morabito for mini draft pick one would be a great deal for us

I strongly disagree with this. Morabito is everything we need at the moment, a massive line-breaking unit, who is fast as the wind, has a massive hoof and could easily rest forward and kick goals. Just needs some luck with his knees. Would be a terrible idea to trade him IMO.

 

[Patty_Moz]

wouhhh. Don't even joke about that

Well to get Hogan we're gonna have to give up something decent and we'll pretty much get nothing out of Mora next yr and IMO our history of bringing players back from severe injuries ain't great, these factors combined made me think if we could straight swap Mora for Hogan it could be a massive win for the club.

I have no problems with his abilities etc.

 

[Seppo]

I strongly disagree with this. Morabito is everything we need at the moment, a massive line-breaking unit, who is fast as the wind, has a massive hoof and could easily rest forward and kick goals. Just needs some luck with his knees. Would be a terrible idea to trade him IMO.

Agreed.
Just look at Malceski; Had over 9000 knee reconstructions and earnt himself a premiership this year. It's not over for Mora...

 

[Kram]

Yeah trade a potentially very good player when his value is at its most lowest..

 

[shenanigans]

Well to get Hogan we're gonna have to give up something decent and we'll pretty much get nothing out of Mora next yr and IMO our history of bringing players back from severe injuries ain't great, these factors combined made me think if we could straight swap Mora for Hogan it could be a massive win for the club.

I have no problems with his abilities etc.

Barlow? Cannot believe what I'm reading, talk of trading of trading Mora is blasphemy IMO.

 

[PapaJ]

Jesse Hogan is being rated on Potential, and what he did in colts, u18 football. Yes he has the build, size to dominate his peers, but
what if he is another Tom Swift?
Darling played for west Perth in the WAFL, Jakovich was playing for Souths at 16, Hawkins took years to develop, and he was fortunate
to be at Geelong.
Graham Polak was supposed to be the next power forward, when Pavlich's name was called out in the draft, alot of people said "who"
Rather another Pavlich. use the draft and back the recruiters.
Houghton also had elite beep tests, still waiting to see him play well for Perth.

Though I don't' agree with everything you're suggesting, I posted along the same lines earlier. I think we have much better idea of who's who of young talent these days, but it's still hard to get it absolutely right, especially with bigger players. I still think we need to make a play for Hogan if we can, but there's no way we should start throwing players like Barlow or Mora in the mix. It will take some doing, but I'm not for the 'kitchen sink' approach by any stretch.

BTW, Pavilich was rated highly in the draft we picked him. He came in with some serious shoulder issues and that spooked a few, but he was always going to go 1st round, it was just a matter of where.

 

[willoblue]

I wouldn't be against trading morabito. He is uncommitted and not a very smart footballer. Morabito for mini draft pick one would be a great deal for us

I disagree wholeheartedly and I don't know where the uncommitted tag comes from. He would be in my top 10 of players not to trade out, possibly even higher as one poster pointed out his value is at it's lowest at present.

 

[blue shark]

Apparently both SA clubs had the chance to take Pavlich when he was 17, If Martin and Hogan were available this year, would they be
in the top three?
You can say yes to Martin, Hogan top five?
I would love the club to get this guy, but he wont come cheap. Makes for an interesting off season.

 

[theGav56]

when Pavlich's name was called out in the draft, alot of people said "who".

I thought it was only the Richmond Brain Trust.