Jesse Hogan(mini-draft)- priority for us

[Clay Davis]

For those wanting to know the content of the PM's.

I suggested Clay get a purpose in life, right now it revolves around "trying to out me"

Pathetic.

This from the guy with a thousand aliases. Pontificate some more.

 

[yakka man]

Translation - I've been shown up as a fool.

Your whole post was irrelevant and didn't counter any of my points. The only senior players GWS recruited from other clubs were into their thirties. Playing a team full of 18 year olds was not what the AFL wanted in their first few seasons. They manipulated a special concession for pure selfish reasons. Most on here can see that.

 

[Clay Davis]

The AFL is by far, the best administered game in Australia and a leading figure in regards to maintaining fairness anywhere in the world.

Take your hand of it.

How is it the fairest when the players and clubs have next to no say in where they play? Where would Jesse Hogan rather play? You can guarantee it would be anyone but Melbourne, and he'd probably prefer to play in WA.

How is it fair when clubs are restricted from paying players their market worth?

The fairest system is no salary cap, no draft, no list rules. Equal footing for all. Makes for an unbalanced competition, and the weaker clubs fall by the wayside, but every individual gets to play for the team they want to and the salary they can command.

There is nothing 'fair' about artificial rules that represent a restraint of trade on the individual.

 

[caterina]

The Age are reporting that Melbourne picks 3 and 13 to GWS for Hogan and pick 20 is close to being finalised

 

[estibador]

The Age are reporting that Melbourne picks 3 and 13 to GWS for Hogan and pick 20 is close to being finalised

Hogan better hope he has a Pav-like ability to develop himself in the midst of mediocrity or that's another promising career down the Demon toilet.

 

[ImperialPurple]

God I hate Melbourne. Always have, always will. Even when they were good they were shit.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

The Age are reporting that Melbourne picks 3 and 13 to GWS for Hogan and pick 20 is close to being finalised

Not sure why #13 and #20 would be involved considering GWS accepted #2 for the first pick in the mini draft.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

WAguru showing up the clowns (not you yakka) already.

I like his style.

 

[caterina]

Not sure why #13 and #20 would be involved considering GWS accepted #2 for the first pick in the mini draft.

Maybe it was part 2 of a dodgy deal whereby GWS didn't nominate Viney, letting him fall to the demons for 26

 

[malpaso]

How is it the fairest when the players and clubs have next to no say in where they play? Where would Jesse Hogan rather play? You can guarantee it would be anyone but Melbourne, and he'd probably prefer to play in WA.

And I'd rather be a Hollywood star. Come on Clay, it's an accepted fact that if players want to play professional sports that utilize a draft system then you go where you are drafted. That is fair otherwise the bigger market teams would get all the players all the time.

FA and trading is what then balances that out when a player/club is not getting what they want.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Maybe it was part 2 of a dodgy deal whereby GWS didn't nominate Viney, letting him fall to the demons for 26

Yeah, makes sense.

 

[raffrox]

You guys are hilarious. A high draft pick was always going to get Hogan and we were never ever a chance. Melbourne aren't over paying and GWS are just doing the best by their club.

 

[Belnakor]

You guys are hilarious. A high draft pick was always going to get Hogan and we were never ever a chance. Melbourne aren't over paying and GWS are just doing the best by their club.

a high draft pick and a 1st round downgrade is definately paying overs

 

[strobe00]

The Age are reporting that Melbourne picks 3 and 13 to GWS for Hogan and pick 20 is close to being finalised

Dear god those idiots can't handle paying a decent price for anything can they. Pick 2 gets GC Jack Martin. Pick 3 by itself should get Melbourne Jesse Hogan, but they throw in pick 13 as well?

WTF? Unless there's something else they're going to be getting as a result, that is a pretty dumb trade.

Par for the course really. It's Melbourne. They've always got good picks to burn as a result of being chronically sh!t. Will be f*cking overjoyed next year when we get (almost) an uncompromised draft. Heartily sick of all the top picks being hoarded by the expansion clubs and the tankers.

As for GWS trading for picks rather than players. If the AFL wanted the MD to be used to source players, they'd have told them they couldn't trade for picks.

The reality is that the minidraft concessions will allow GWS to stockpile more young talent than has ever been seen. No-one, not even GC, will be able to compete with the number of high picks that they have. If they can retain their players and bring in a couple more mature bodies to provide structure, they will be an absolute monster. This genuinely is what the AFL wants. Sydney is the toughest market to crack.

And before anyone points out how poorly Melbourne have been served by all of their high draft picks, the difference between the two clubs is that GWS are using their picks well, they seem to have a good development program and they have decent coaches... and the AFL will continue propping them up via whatever means necessary until they are financially stable. Melbourne is f*cking hopeless. GWS seem to be much better run.

Make no mistake... that club will be a monster in four or five years.

 

[estibador]

On the bright side I guess that means we'll be keeping Moller then.

 

[strobe00]

On the bright side I guess that means we'll be keeping Moller then.

Good point Esti.

And while we're looking for silver linings, we still have a first round pick in the draft... and Zac Clarke. Should be a fair bit more interesting during the draft period than if we'd spent our first pick on a Hogan minidraft pick.

 

[Clay Davis]

And I'd rather be a Hollywood star. Come on Clay, it's an accepted fact that if players want to play professional sports that utilize a draft system then you go where you are drafted. That is fair otherwise the bigger market teams would get all the players all the time.

FA and trading is what then balances that out when a player/club is not getting what they want.

Fairness is relative. If the AFL system was ever tested in court under restraint of trade it would fail every single time. It's only because the players union buys in that it is never tested.

 

[Dockernut]

Make no mistake... that club will be a monster in four or five years.

What about GC?? They are not doing too badly at stockpiling some rare talent themselves.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

A couple of years as a rookie Freo will know if Moller is worth keeping while not clogging the main list. I would have liked to draft Hogan or Martin but really at what cost to the club. Lets just hope Freo pick well in the draft.

 

[strobe00]

What about GC?? They are not doing too badly at stockpiling some rare talent themselves.

Them too, but with the four minidraft picks that GWS got, they've squeezed out even more picks (and f*cking high ones!) than GC. GC will very likely turn out similarly, but merely based on how well GWS's young blokes played this year I wouldn't be surprised to see GWS overtake GC in their second year... and keep on going that way.

A lot of time to play out obviously, and heaps can change. But the AFL have done everything they could to get the expansion clubs every possible advantage.

Makes me ill. But they did it for a reason.

 

[apuchar]

Melbourne confident of securing Jesse Hogan in near future in mini draft. List manager.

or second mini draft pick to be exact.

 

[Swan Districts Kid]

I've just heard that Saints have done a pre-list trade with GWS to secure Tom Lee (unconfirmed).

 

[malpaso]

Fairness is relative. If the AFL system was ever tested in court under restraint of trade it would fail every single time. It's only because the players union buys in that it is never tested.

The restraint of trade was even worse before FA and that same argument can be applied to every league that uses a draft. Small price to pay to be a professional athlete. All this boohoo,homesick and I want to play for my favourite club stuff is childish nonsense, none of this happens in other countries.

 

[malpaso]

I've just heard that Saints have done a pre-list trade with GWS to secure Tom Lee (unconfirmed).

Yes they have. Traded Pick 12 for Pick 24,43 and Tom Lee.

 

[Clay Davis]

The restraint of trade was even worse before FA and that same argument can be applied to every league that uses a draft. Small price to pay to be a professional athlete. All this boohoo,homesick and I want to play for my favourite club stuff is childish nonsense, none of this happens in other countries.

Umm, yes it does. It even happens in Australia. The NRL has no draft. Neither does Super Rugby. For rugby league it was tested in court and found to be a restraint of trade. Players go where they can be paid the most.