Let's get serious about rivalries.

[sprockets]

Another one of these threads where interstaters have no idea of the rivalries that have gone on since the beginning of the AFL in 1897. There's a reason Collingwood v Essendon, Richmond v Carlton, and Essendon v Richmond are all blockbusters that draw huge crowds.

 

[BuffDog]

Whilst a fierce state rivalry, I don't much rate the derbies. Essendon and Sydney are the first rivals I think of, and along with Port are often our bogey teams so the scalp is never taken for granted. I hate Essendon and Port when we play them.

I particularly enjoy our finals head to head haha!

As for the Dons, while we no doubt love the seldom beating of Collingwood on ANZAC day or Richmond in Dreamtime, I doubt us and either club would consider the rivalry to be the biggest.

Definitely Carlton and Hawks for Essendon.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Geelong is definitely a rivalry but games against Essendon still stoke the fires for us a bit

Bombers hate North more though don’t they?

Our board poll showed 70% of Bombers nominate Carlton as our biggest rival. 23% said Hawthorn, 5% Collingwood and “none” 2%. There were no other votes.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Another one of these threads where interstaters have no idea of the rivalries that have gone on since the beginning of the AFL in 1897. There's a reason Collingwood v Essendon, Richmond v Carlton, and Essendon v Richmond are all blockbusters that draw huge crowds.

Tbf they don’t draw relatively big crowds when one or both sides are average. Only when both sides are going really well do they sell out... unless it’s an event like Anzac Day.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

There are two games, same as now, same number of seats, members only get to go to one now ..... the seating arrangements are all that changes. Some members get to go to the first game, others to the 2nd.

Obvious innit.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Also, my view time and time again is that the Showdown is comfortably the biggest single rivalry in the AFL. Where the sides are on the ladder has zero impact on the passion it stirs. You just can’t beat a two team town for that, and the love/hate history that Port have adds to it.

 

[What else we can do]

I (soft whisper) wouldn’t mind Carlton being good again - I miss the full on rivalry and atmosphere at our games.

The atmosphere at these games recently have become a joke. Collingwood supporters telling Carlton supporters hang in there and even consoling them.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Maybe agree to share both games, not a home game, an away game ... too hard? Season seated members get 11 games still.

As in derbies are treated as almost a ballot for members of both clubs

Instead of one home/one away, each member for both clubs gets allocated derby #1 or derby #2 - and if they get #1 the seatholder for the other club gets #2

Every other game treated as normal?

Kind of makes sense. Doubt it will happen. But would give each member a guaranteed derby each year in their set seat. Just rotate through home and away I guess

 

[Kwality]

As in derbies are treated as almost a ballot for members of both clubs

Instead of one home/one away, each member for both clubs gets allocated derby #1 or derby #2 - and if they get #1 the seatholder for the other club gets #2

Every other game treated as normal?

Kind of makes sense. Doubt it will happen. But would give each member a guaranteed derby each year in their set seat. Just rotate through home and away I guess

Wanting to maintain set seats would be near on impossible given many families/friends go to games as groups.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

The atmosphere at these games recently have become a joke. Collingwood supporters telling Carlton supporters hang in there and even consoling them.

Wow

That must hurt.

 

[Ron The Bear]

If you actually go right back Fitzroy and Collingwood were the fiercest of rivals in the competition.

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[4THAWN]

In the last decade and change, hawthorn and geelong have produced one of the greatest rivalries in AFL history.

Geelong win 2007 flag

2008 season, geelong easily the best team in the league goes down to a well-drilled, hungry and systematic hawthorn in the grand final.

Then geelong win next 10 games in a row, including 2011 qualifying final. Many wins in tight circumstances, on their way to winning 2009 and 2011 premierships.

Hawthorn snap the kennet curse in the 2013 preliminary final, where i could bare to watch varcoe's shot at goal. Unbelievable atmoshpere.

the teams trade H/A games then meet in the 2014 qualifying final, where hawthorn wins comfortably on the way to consecutive premierships.

hawthorn wins both 2015 games on way to third consecutive premiership.

Geelong wins both games in 2016, including Isaac Smith's after the siren miss to win in a qualifying final.

Since then, geelong have won 3 times and hawthorn twice including another Isaac Smith missed shot after the siren in 2017.

Geelong lead the h2h 17-8, but hawthorn lead in finals 3-2

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

There's no need to force rivalries
Let em just happen

I do like the idea of taking steps to make the crowd more 50/50 though.

This. Channel 7 tried to force a Bulldogs v GWS rivalry so hard that it ended up seeming so tacky, now it's fizzled out.

 

[Ocker]

Collingwood and Carlton are the biggest rivals and biggest clubs from Victoria. If these two teams played in a grand final it will be like no other.

Hehehehehe

 

[AndyLucimitis]

This. Channel 7 tried to force a Bulldogs v GWS rivalry so hard that it ended up seeming so tacky, now it's fizzled out.

Not so sure. Personally I hangout for the 'G-Bull Clash' every year.

 

[JayJ20]

Essendon isn't even our biggest rival.

Yeah our biggest rivals are easily Carlton and Hawthorn. Daylight after that. It’s only really because of 1990, ANZAC Day and ‘big 4’ that some people think we have this huge intense rivalry. Far from it.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Another one of these threads where interstaters have no idea of the rivalries that have gone on since the beginning of the AFL in 1897. There's a reason Collingwood v Essendon, Richmond v Carlton, and Essendon v Richmond are all blockbusters that draw huge crowds.

Agree - I think people confuse having close competitive matches (eg. Geel v Hawth) with true rivalry and hatred.

It's the 'hatred' that makes for these traditional rivalries - Essendon v Carlton, Hawthorn v Essendon, Richmond v Collingwood etc.

 

[RoarLike44In24]

I don’t give a **** about 50/50 crowds for home and away games.

THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE

 

[woosha24]

This. Channel 7 tried to force a Bulldogs v GWS rivalry so hard that it ended up seeming so tacky, now it's fizzled out.

Why? GWS and Sydney are supposed to be the rivals?

 

[woosha24]

THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE

To tell you that you're wrong.

There's nothing better in life than sitting in amongst a mass majority of supporters from your own club, watching your cross-town rivals getting thumped while their few hangers-on glumly head for the carpark at three quarter time. Glorious.

Except a Grand Final win.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Another one of these threads where interstaters have no idea of the rivalries that have gone on since the beginning of the AFL in 1897. There's a reason Collingwood v Essendon, Richmond v Carlton, and Essendon v Richmond are all blockbusters that draw huge crowds.

What is that reason?
In 1897 you were in a different league battling it out with Brunswick for the wooden spoon.
Do lol at you forfeiting the 1904 grand final because you didn’t like the umpire

 

[What else we can do]

Wow

That must hurt.

It's unreal

 

[What else we can do]

How would that be so? Only 16k members each the rest corporate. Be the same as every other GF.

You don't know much about Collingwood and Carlton supporters. They will find ways to get tickets. Same goes for Richmond and Essendon supporters.

 

[HTT]

Why? GWS and Sydney are supposed to be the rivals?

Rivalries aren't 'supposed to be'. They either are or aren't. And just because two teams have a rivalry, it doesn't preclude one of them from having a rivalry with another club.
e.g. Richmond/Carlton/Collingwood/Essendon

 

[kranky al]

Gotta be honest - i feel more anticipation for games against sydney, hawthorn and collingwood than freo

We have real rivalries with those clubs based on premierships / long standing hoodoos etc

Fremantle are still a minnow